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December 1, 2014 at 1:21 PM #780504December 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM #780512
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Solyndra was one company out of many. Not all investments pan out — that’s life.[/quote]
How about now chinese owned A123 Systems, after spending some of our green energy government grants, and all that I.P. going overseas after they filed BK…with taxpayer dollars footing some of that R&D bill?
December 1, 2014 at 3:53 PM #780513CoronitaParticipant[quote=flu][quote=spdrun]Solyndra was one company out of many. Not all investments pan out — that’s life.[/quote]
How about now chinese owned A123 Systems, after spending some of our green energy government grants, and all that I.P. going overseas after they filed BK…with taxpayer dollars footing some of that R&D bill?[/quote]
How about Aptera?
and just curious.. If gas is cheap. I mean really cheap… Do consumers really *need* to buy more efficient cars like a Prius? Or do you think they’ll just simply take their slightly more discretionary income and spend it on other useless discretionary income…
December 1, 2014 at 4:15 PM #780515an
ParticipantI was never in the BEV camp, so I’m ecstatic that we might see closer $2/gallon soon. The longer we stay close to that amount, the better. I’m rooting for FCV, so I’ll enjoy cheap gas while I wait for FCV to mature.
December 1, 2014 at 4:21 PM #780516spdrun
ParticipantWe’ll never have FCV if fossil fools and fossil farts remain cheap.
December 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM #780517Participant[quote=spdrun]We’ll never have FCV if fossil fools and fossil farts remain cheap.[/quote]fossil fuel won’t stay cheap forever. Either FCV won’t get cheap and eventually, we’ll run out of fossil fuel in 100 years and it’ll get more expensive than FCV or FCV will get cheaper through technology. Regardless of how it happen, I don’t care. I would gladly use ICE cars as long as it’s the cheapest solutions. I could careless about the greeny. They can spend their own money.
December 1, 2014 at 4:33 PM #780518FlyerInHi
GuestI have a friend how bought at Fiat electric.
Free charging at work. Commute is about 30 miles 1 way. Says less than $2 charging for 100 miles.
Sounds a cool car for daily driving around town.December 1, 2014 at 4:49 PM #780519ParticipantFiat 500 starts at $17,145 and get 40MPG. Fiat 500e starts at $32,300. So, for the price difference of $15,155, you get get ~5050 gallons of fuel @ $3/gallon. @40MPG, you’re looking at a break even mileage of 202k miles. 202k miles at 60 miles/day, it would take your friend about 13 years of commute to just break even. Yep, that seems like a smart way to spend your money.
December 1, 2014 at 4:52 PM #780520Participantfossil fuel won’t stay cheap forever. Either FCV won’t get cheap and eventually, we’ll run out of fossil fuel in 100 years and it’ll get more expensive than FCV or FCV will get cheaper through technology. Regardless of how it happen, I don’t care. I would gladly use ICE cars as long as it’s the cheapest solutions. I could careless about the greeny. They can spend their own money.
People like you are why civilized countries tax gasoline at 300% or more of actual cost. The Earth doesn’t have another 100 years of us vomiting CO2 into the atmosphere. And until we find another home, it doesn’t behoove us to crap where we sleep.
December 1, 2014 at 4:53 PM #780521CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN]Fiat 500 starts at $17,145 and get 40MPG. Fiat 500e starts at $32,300. So, for the price difference of $15,155, you get get ~5050 gallons of fuel @ $3/gallon. @40MPG, you’re looking at a break even mileage of 202k miles. 202k miles at 60 miles/day, it would take your friend about 13 years of commute to just break even. Yep, that seems like a smart way to spend your money.[/quote]
and considering it’s a fiat, it won’t last 202k miles
December 1, 2014 at 4:56 PM #780522CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]
fossil fuel won’t stay cheap forever. Either FCV won’t get cheap and eventually, we’ll run out of fossil fuel in 100 years and it’ll get more expensive than FCV or FCV will get cheaper through technology. Regardless of how it happen, I don’t care. I would gladly use ICE cars as long as it’s the cheapest solutions. I could careless about the greeny. They can spend their own money.
People like you are why civilized countries tax gasoline at 300% or more of actual cost. The Earth doesn’t have another 100 years of us vomiting CO2 into the atmosphere. And until we find another home, it doesn’t behoove us to crap where we sleep.[/quote]
Expensive fuel costs would actually encourage energy efficiency. Making it cheap wouldn’t. So I hardly see plunging fuel prices as *good* towards improving fuel efficiency.
December 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM #780523ParticipantDid I say that they were?
December 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM #780524CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Did I say that they were?[/quote]
Well, you seemed to be celebrating plunging oil prices.
December 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM #780525Participant[quote=spdrun]
fossil fuel won’t stay cheap forever. Either FCV won’t get cheap and eventually, we’ll run out of fossil fuel in 100 years and it’ll get more expensive than FCV or FCV will get cheaper through technology. Regardless of how it happen, I don’t care. I would gladly use ICE cars as long as it’s the cheapest solutions. I could careless about the greeny. They can spend their own money.
People like you are why civilized countries tax gasoline at 300% or more of actual cost. The Earth doesn’t have another 100 years of us vomiting CO2 into the atmosphere. And until we find another home, it doesn’t behoove us to crap where we sleep.[/quote]Thank goodness US is not a civilized country.
December 1, 2014 at 5:00 PM #780526Participant[quote=flu][quote=spdrun]Did I say that they were?[/quote]
Well, you seemed to be celebrating plunging oil prices.[/quote]LoL, spdrun wants his cake and eat it too.
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