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It’s nice to be a rich non-minority in america. No matter how bad it is here, you never get screwed, and you never have to lift a finger. In fact, if there’s any sort of wealth redistribution during trial and tribulation, chances are if you’re in this category, you end up cleaning house, bigtime.

That was my point.

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flyer,

We get it. You’re very wealthy. You don’t need to remind us how rich you are. Some of us aren’t as lucky as you. We actually have to deal with the realities of, well, real life…. If you generally were concerned about the middle class, you could in theory use some of that wealth, voluntarily of course, and create jobs….Just saying…

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Ah yes, the classic “populist” versus “others classified as educated elitist” as some would call the later group….

History would tell us when a nation divided people into these two groups, and then pinned them at each other, things did not end up very well…..

There was one notable leader that did this…..

Chairman Mao and his communist party versus all the “scholars” and the famous “Cultural Revolution”….And then the following 40-50 years of no progress in that country….See, the pretty euphemism they give to these “revolutions”?

It’s really ironic that decades later, China provided communism failed and they are a capitalist pig, more so than the U.S. And if you want to talk about wealth inequality, it’s more like the top 0.1% controls 99% of the wealth in that country.
Oh, the irony.

And the reason why china progressed so fast recently? The ruling communist party finally figured out if you put the smartest people in the country in charge, things move much quicker in the right direction. On the other hand, in the absence of democracy, putting really dumb people in charge (like China did in the past)….it would take decades to recover….

Given that, democracy might not be the most efficient way to move a country forward, but I’d like to believe the system is probably still the best system we have out there.

But then again, it somewhat erriely feels we are having our own little Cultural Revolution here….

So let’s start practicing…

Welcome Dear Leader, Mr Trump. No one is smarter than you! You are the divine gift of the Peoples Republic of the United States, Dear Leader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

The Cultural Revolution, formally the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, was a sociopolitical movement that took place in the People’s Republic of China from 1966 until 1976. Set into motion by Mao Zedong, then Chairman of the Communist Party of China, its stated goal was to preserve ‘true’ Communist ideology in the country by purging remnants of capitalist and traditional elements from Chinese society, and to re-impose Maoist thought as the dominant ideology within the Party. The Revolution marked the return of Mao Zedong to a position of power after the Great Leap Forward. The movement paralyzed China politically and negatively affected the country’s economy and society to a significant degree.

The Revolution was launched in May 1966, after Mao alleged that bourgeois elements had infiltrated the government and society at large, aiming to restore capitalism. He insisted that these “revisionists” be removed through violent class struggle. China’s youth responded to Mao’s appeal by forming Red Guard groups around the country. The movement spread into the military, urban workers, and the Communist Party leadership itself. It resulted in widespread factional struggles in all walks of life. In the top leadership, it led to a mass purge of senior officials, most notably Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping. During the same period Mao’s personality cult grew to immense proportions.

Millions of people were persecuted in the violent struggles that ensued across the country, and suffered a wide range of abuses including public humiliation, arbitrary imprisonment, torture, sustained harassment, and seizure of property. A large segment of the population was forcibly displaced, most notably the transfer of urban youth to rural regions during the Down to the Countryside Movement. Historical relics and artifacts were destroyed. Cultural and religious sites were ransacked.

Mao officially declared the Cultural Revolution to have ended in 1969, but its active phase lasted until the death of the military leader Lin Biao in 1971. After Mao’s death and the arrest of the Gang of Four in 1976, reformers led by Deng Xiaoping gradually began to dismantle the Maoist policies associated with the Cultural Revolution. In 1981, the Party declared that the Cultural Revolution was “responsible for the most severe setback and the heaviest losses suffered by the Party, the country, and the people since the founding of the People’s Republic”.[1]

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-sdsu-robbery-20161110-story,amp.html?client=ms-android-google

If you aren’t white, stay safe out there.

Also to remind people the rules about carrying a knife in CA. State law prohibits carrying a concealed knife.

However a knife carried in a sheath worn outside is considered open carry, and there is no limit on the blade length.

That is assuming you don’t have a license to carry a concealed weapon.

As a reminder…

http://www.tulare-kings-attorney.com/blog/2012/december/knife-carry-laws-in-california/

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[quote=harvey][quote=flu]Here’s food for thought. What if, instead of the supreme Court deciding women rights, gay rights, seperation of church and state for the entire country, the supreme Court just ruled permanently that those rights would be decided strictly by the states individually…

That way if the majority of a state wanted to ban abortion, they can ban abortion. And those states that are pro choice, can have pro choice… And then if the states laws don’t fit your belief system…well, move to a state that does.?

The federal government would then only be responsible for defense of the country, some infrastructure, and some research and development.[/quote]

Wow.

You just missed the entire meaning of the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.[/quote]

Maybe, but wouldn’t it solve the problem? i mean that way red states that want their ultra conservative “values” can have it in their respective states. And folks here in CA can have want we want. And then people will tend to gravity to where they feel comfortable living?

The problem with U.S. is since it’s a medley of different people with different views, cultures, norms,etc. Perhaps, a “one size fit all” doesn’t exactly work.

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If you don’t mind co-mingling the finances on your primary with your rental, you could consider cash-out refinancing on your primary (assuming you have $225k in equity)….That would probably be your best rate.

You would then report that portion of mortgage interest against your second property.

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Here’s food for thought. What if, instead of the supreme Court deciding women rights, gay rights, seperation of church and state for the entire country, the supreme Court just ruled permanently that those rights would be decided strictly by the states individually…

That way if the majority of a state wanted to ban abortion, they can ban abortion. And those states that are pro choice, can have pro choice… And then if the states laws don’t fit your belief system…well, move to a state that does.?

The federal government would then only be responsible for defense of the country, some infrastructure, and some research and development.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]I absolutely agree with you flu.

But the USA has no history of a federal industrial policy. Free market thinkers don’t believe it’s needed or even works.

Of course the red states have no problem giving incentives to companies to move there.

Plus do you think that Americans would be happy working in a Chinese factory, under the direction of Chinese expat supervisors? I’m just being facetious here. It’s already happening at GE appliances. I read there are now Chinese restaurants nearby.[/quote]

I don’t really think most americans care who the boss is as long as the paycheck is good and the boss works within the appropriate laws and customs/culture we have in the U.S. And typically, foreign companies that set up shops here do just that.

Most americans only start to care what someone looks like and what race they are when they have no job.

If China negotiated a trade deal with the US like I said, America will be happy China will be happy, at the expense of all the other nations Asia.

America wins because export business goes up, US find jobs at foreign owned factories, and that means more money for americans to spend. American workers are happy because they are employed, and so they probably won’t care about anything else that happens in the Far East. Trump would look like a freaking genius, because not only will he come across as negotiating tough with china and winning, as an added bonus, he’ll say he can cut military spending since the US won’t need to patrol the far east as much anymore. Win-win for the U.S.

China will come out of this winning because while they’ll need to sacrifice a little on their export business and spend a little on setting up factories in the U.S., they’ll win a lot on the natural resources they import at much more competitive prices relative to all the other nations. China will no longer need to worry about U.S. meddling in the far east, and they can continue to build up their presence to claim the disputed island filled with natural resources. With the US out of the picture, no one will be able to contest them. Russia won’t step in, obviously. And neither Japan nor Korea nor any other nation in the east have militarized in such a way to really get into an armed conflict with China. And the U.S. certainly will not step in, if US-China trade relations are so tied together.

For Trump, this will be a business transaction. And a very good business transaction. It will be for the US and China. Everyone else gets the shaft.
I’m not saying this would be a good thing the world in general. Just saying what I think will happen. China doesn’t have any interest into getting into any military conflict with the U.S. It’s interesting that Nixon, a Republican, was the guy responsible for opening the pandora’s box to China…And it’s even more ironic that now Trump, another republican, probably will end up building more.

Nixon shafted Taiwan when Taiwan was kicked out of the UN and replaced by China. I think what we’ll see is something similar in which US-Japan/ US-Korea/ US-Taiwan relations get shafted at the expense of US-China relations.

It’s interesting to see which leaders of nations called Trump to congratulate him. That says a lot about what those nations were hoping for.

Noticeably absent? UK, Germany, Japan, Korea….

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, you really want a federal industrial policy.

But I don’t think free market thinkers will like it. Natural gas is a world commoditiy all selling at the same price no matter the origin. Easier for China to build a pipeline from Russia. I think they already signed a agreement.[/quote]

Agreements can be rewritten.
We are really good about not honoring our agreements. We seem to have no problem trying to rewrite pension agreements too.

I am just waiting for the moment that the is renegotiated with China, and at the height of frustration, trump and company says some like “those dirty chinks…blah blah blah….”

Lol.

And then we can look at all the Asians that actually voted for him and say “what the fuck were you thinking?”

Sometimes the only way people learn, is the hard way.

For whatever fucked up reasons, there are actually people in China that like trump. They think he is not going to meddle in far east politics. China would want that and I am guessing they would want give trade concessions to the us if it meant no meddling in far east politics. Bad news for Taiwan, Japan, Korea, phillipines Vietnam, Malaysia, etc. I think that’s why the phillipines quickly buddies up with China to get on their good side. They know it’s coming.

That island dispute will be resolved…forcefully.

So that’s how the new world order will be split. US on the west, China on the east, and maybe Russia will try to reassert itself in their former Soviet satellites)

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, yes it mattters who starred it. Democrats have moved to the center since Bill Clinton. Republicans have move way right.

And how so you think Trunp will make middle America better economically? You’re not talking handouts and government spinding on them, I hope[/quote]

Well here’s an example.

Dear China. We buy a lot of shit from you. You buy a lot of natural gas from everyone.

To continue to have free access to our consumer market, buy our natural gas we have a surplus of.

Oh, and how about that factory we want you to build in oklahoma?

Most other countries do the same thing to us….

That’s why qualcomm is setting up r&d there.

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[quote=harvey][quote=AN]I didn’t vote for the guy, don’t even like the guy, but there’s no point is letting the media get you all worked up.[/quote]

The media? People are responding to Trumps own words, spoken and written. His actual platform.

It’s right there on his website, no media filter is involved.

Nobody is saying “the world will end” – that’s your words and your strawman. I am saying that many Americans will lose civil liberties and economic opportunities because of their race and/or religion.

[quote]Put trust in the system and decency of everyday American people.[/quote]

I agree with the sentiment but if you didn’t notice, that approach failed spectacularly on Tuesday.

[quote]Don’t let the fear mongering of the media and the political class divide us.[/quote]

LOL, “the political class” – now there’s irony. The term the “political class” was created by the media. It’s propaganda and you are obviously falling for it.

What Trump wants to do is right there in his platform. Did you ever read it, or did you just get the summary from “the media.”[/quote]

So what’s the solution? Disenfranchise people? The people voted for this.
A lot of people. This is what a lot of people wanted. Even if it isn’t a clear majority, it’s enough in this country to consider it to be so. This is how are system works, even if the outcome is distasteful.

Non-democratic foreign countries are probably laughing their asses off about this. Because here we are trying to teach democracy to foreign countries, here our democracy puts a character in office that people don’t like. Now what?

Did you read what ISIS is saying? They are happy with Trump because they think Trump with throw this country into civil unrest (they said civil war)..

We have to accept the result, as distasteful as it may be. Short of some external factor, like the Russians tampering with votes which didn’t happen….Challenging it would be like challenge the fundamental system we have. Our system is good in that it resets every 4 years or 8 years if things get bad.

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If I were to put on a conspiracy theorist hat, I would say that the Russians hacked into the voting systems of some swing states, and fabricated the vote count enough to swing the electoral votes toward trump to undermine our democratic system.

And then with trump at the helm for 4 years, people would hate so much that he was elected, that the US would abandon democracy and a military coup would oust the president.

It would make a good Oliver Stone movie, don’t you think?

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There’s nothing to protest. People voted. For some of us, our choice didn’t win, based on our country’s system (ok, arguably this wasn’t a majority win, but rather a electorate win), but it’s still our democratic system. Maybe we should rally to try to get rid of the electoral college. Meanwhile, wait another 2 years for the mid-term. Maybe people won’t take their voting rights so lightly next time. Move on.

The political parties have both contributed to our constant left and right wild swings. Because our country, as a whole, has become less tolerant of compromising, we are left with the bizzaro scenario in which political winds change drastically one way and then the other. We can try to figure out who started it, but at this point, does it really matter? It’s like having two kids that were horseplaying and broke your favorite lamp, and the two kids both pointing fingers at each other saying they other one did it. You don’t really care who started it, and you end up grounding both kids because both of them contributed to your now broken lamp.

Ironically, if Bernie had been the nominee, he probably would have beaten Trump. I don’t think most of the solid blue and blue leaning states would have changed their vote had it been Bernie. I believe in most of the swing states that Hillary lost, Bernie beat both Hillary AND Trump. So, I’d say, part of the blame of what how we got to where we are here is also because of the DNC. I’m not sure how I would have felt about Bernie versus Trump, frankly…

Frankly, I’m sick of it. At this point, I want Trump to restore some jobs/economy/sanity to middle america, despite how despicable a few of his supporters (and emphasis here is some, not all) are. And I’m willing to give him a chance to do this. Frankly, we don’t have a choice anyway. I hope the insane things he have said was more of a theatrical performance. I hope over the course of the past year, he acknowledges how horribly he as treated women in the past, and while because of his personality will never publicly apologize, I’d like to see, through his actions, to amend for his previous deeds. I’d also like to see that now that he has won, we don’t waste any more ridiculous time about talking about “locking Hillary up”…(Personally if I were Obama, since his legacy is pretty much being undone, he might as well give the finger and just give Hillary a pardon…So at least we can stop wasting time on this thing). One thing I do agree with Trump is Congress should be term limited.

If middle america isn’t happy, this nation will never be happy, and they will always have a voice, and this constant polarization will continue, and probably grow worse and worse. If middle america has a better financial future, there’s a bigger chance they can care less of everything else that goes on that is insane from the right..And they’ll leave me alone…

Sometimes you just have to give a little in order to gain a lot back in the long run…Well, at least that’s what I’m trying to tell myself. Lol…Meanwhile, I think I’m going to restrict travel in the U.S. to just the west coast. Don’t want to get deported ….Lol….

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CalExit is a non-start, don’t even bother.

First of all, CA as a state is not as “blue” as people make it to be. Yes, it’s typically deep blue near large metro areas, but if you head inland and/or remote areas, it’s pretty red.

https://www.google.com/search?q=california+electoral+map&oq=california+electoral+map

Second of all, as large CA’s economy is, a lot of the businesses in CA enjoys some of the benefits from federal government. Pretty much most of the green energy based companies are all subsidized with federal grants, and a lot of a research and development comes from federal grants.

Then there’s the issue of defense. As a standalone “nation”, we will not have the protection of a standing military, army, navy, air force, or the threat of a nuke weapon. If folks want to entertain the crazy idea of CA being separate nation, then they need to entertain the idea that CA needs a standing military. And that’s just one of many other things each state enjoys as benefit belonging to this country.

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Lol, you mean you decided not to invest in an out of state rental?

Good luck (again)

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