[Astrid Rey]

I already paid my student loans so I would not be happy about seeing others get a handout. If we are going to give away money to support education why not just give an equal amount to everyone with a college degree?

I’m not really serious about that but it would be more fair than giving money only to people that have loans.

[Astrid Rey]

I don’t understand why this article has you so triggered. It just presents the numbers without trying to make any judgments about the cities or the people living there. The article isn’t telling you to move anywhere!

There are many reasons why people living in the cities on the edges of major urban areas would have more auto debt. Many of them work in the bigger cities and commute. I live in Menifee and almost nobody who lives here works here. Temecula, Santa Clarita, and Gilroy are similar. These places tend to be where service workers, construction and maintenance people live. They have jobs but they don’t pay as well as the professional jobs that people in the cities may have. Cars cost the same everywhere so if one gets paid less and has to drive more, they probably have more auto debt.

[Astrid Rey]

[quote=temeculaguy]You see Astrid, that is why some of us think you might be Brian. You gave a heartfelt personal story that I thought might be credible to explain your weak street cred and track history. But your comment assuming I’m a troll is lost on the old timers, however it may be Brian’s latest incarnation to throw us off because even Brian wouldn’t call me a troll using the two names we know hm by.

What FLU refers to as old timers were a group of people with similar observations but differing opinions. Many of whom have shared the little ups and downs life throws at all of us, health, family, etc. I was proud to be a part of it. We were a community and I’m thinking of getting a MPGA hat, because I want to make piggington great again. I think the hat should be gray, because we don’t represent a political ideology, we were just geeks who figured out the great recession before it happened.

FLU, I’m glad to see you doing well. I absolutely loved your explanation. Flyer/brian/astrid may be the same person but that remains to be seen. Astrid might not be brian playing dumb, just someone who doesn’t remember or didn’t really retain what they read back in the day. But in the Immortal words of Omar, “you come at the king, you best not miss.”

Quotes from “the wire” are just coming naturally now, next I plan to to find my sense of humor again and then my reclamation will be complete. Thanks Astrid, I’m back to my old self.[/quote]

You can’t write anything without talking about brian. Definitely derangement syndrome.

I do not think you are a troll. I remember your account from the old days because you were from Temecula and I was living in Lake Elsinore at that time. I do not think you are here now to talk about real estate though.

The one thing I remember about your posts from long ago is that you would write about how you used porn and were not ashamed of it. That was completely gross and still is. When I would go to the mall in Temecula I would wonder if the middle aged creepy porn watching guy was there also. In my mind there was an image of the creepy dad in front of the computer switching tabs between a real estate blog and porn sites. Icky!

Enjoy your street cred and the remainders of your old clique. I guess you think you are the king of something. You may still have a few lingering admirers. It is sad that you have to come here to find a place to belong.

[Astrid Rey]

[quote=flu][quote=Astrid Rey][quote=temeculaguy]I do not dispute any of your assertions phaster, just trying to correct brian’s comment where he said the conservative court will likely take the case. He was missing the point as to why there were recent posts because the news of the day was they already reviewed and declined to take up the case. As a follower of scotus but not the city’s pension I was trying to point out and give an analogy that brian’s comment was akin to saying that team X will lose the game because of y, when in fact the game ended an hour ago and they won. And as a younger man I would have challenged him with a wager, seeing that he was predicting the outcome of something that already happened and the result was the opposite of what he predicted.[/quote]

Why are so many of your posts about someone named brian?

I fear you may be suffering from brian derangement syndrome.[/quote]

FlyerInHi was really BrianSD before BrianSD got banned for threadjacking and threadcrapping just about non political thread with irrelevant political shit. It was one of the few times anyone got banned from an otherwise anything goes blog.

Not long after BrianSD was banned, FlyerInHi appeared, doing relatively the same thing, with though slightly more subtly. However, it really is the same person. The writing style, the subjects, they same political dribble….probably the same IP address. Old timers know FlyerInHi is really BrianSD, trying to fly right below radar to not get banned twice…That’s why, occasionally, you’ll see him dig up old threads that with the only purpose to stir things up by posting progressive versus non progressive thing, even when the majority of old timers who were only here for real estate and finance content have long gone. And then when someone calls BrianSD out for doing it, he will disappear for a few days, or make fake post about the economy or real estate just enough to remain under the radar for getting banned again for threadjacking and threadcrapping…although no old timer really posts here regularly to ellicit care from the site owner to ban BrianSD again….

You see, there are several political threads that really are about dialog. and there are the threads that BrianSD post that are meant more to troll….so much that even some moderate leaning people have told him to shut up. it’s not that there is really anything wrong with some progressive ideology or democrats or moderate social issues…But BrianSD, again for the purposes of trolling, intentionally adopts an altleft persona just to stir things up while being an extreme hypocrite at the same time .. That’s why , despite years of telling others that “we” should pay more taxes , and the government should regulate more, to the point we thought he was just vomitting from the mouth .. there was sort of a really hysterical moment when he posted on one thread about how he was pissed with neighbors who apparently filed a complaint with the HOA of one of his properties because apparently BrianSD was doing some remodeling without getting the required HOA approvals or building permits and was complaining about rules, regulations, and the hassle of doing thst…something BrianSD in his soapbox had been preaching all along …to which the rest of us were laughing our asses off thinking he sort of had that coming …Or there was the other instance when he went off a tangent about how people should pay more taxes to support the poor, less fortunate, and more social programs…and then not so long down the same thread of posts on that subject, a few of us got him to admit he use to buy stuff online with the specific purpose of avoiding paying sales tax…. These are the sort of classic BrianSD moments that are just golden. For every other moment there is a nice ignore button.

So for a lot of us old times, we know what he’s really doing. He feels he needs a forum to post his trolling alt left viewpoint, despite his own hypocrisy. Piggington is the perfect place for him to do it because literally it’s unmoderated. Thats why he continues to threadjack and threadcrap and start new threads on this sort of subject instead of doing this, say on Faux News blogs. He wants an audience and needs an audience so he can get on his extreme trolling alt-left soapbox without getting slapped in the face and banned like he has or would be on any other website. There is an excessive compulsive like addiction between alt-left post by BrianSD and this real estate website…just like some people are addicted to chocolate, and some people are addicted to porn… and others are alcoholics… same thing…

And that is why TG have said what the hell is going on here.. Because everyone remembers how this site was and who occupied just about every thread now… It has nothing to do with Trump or democrats, though the shear mention of Trump does have a tendency to polarize people immediately, which is an interesting thing. I guess it’s the same reaction some people get when they hear AOC, lol….(I hate both of them frankly, before you accuse me of being a Trump lover…but then again, I always believed America is great because politicians never know what they are doing so long as they can’t agree on how to waste our money, they tend to leave is alone. which is why as awful as some Republicans and Democrats are, you want a mix of both of them so neither of them can do anything drastic in our government, except very important things…..

There are other people that come here that specially post off tooics too. Phaster and BG(aka berishgurl) love to stir things up specially talking about public pensions. Phaster loves to post about pension crisis and doom and gloom government implosion.. I think he has his own blog previously about peak oil, and since that was proven to be a myth, I think he’s posting here trolling for eyeballs on his new subject flavor of the month…BG is enjoying living off a government pension and of course doesn’t want it to get taken away and so gets defensive when someone mentions pension reform. after all, there were some really nice beds in some of the government workplace bathrooms that she use to use regularly use while working, according to one of her posts…We wouldn’t want things like that to be cut because of a government budget crisis!

Any other question?[/quote]

The other thread is a political troll disguised as a real estate question

https://www.piggington.com/piggingtons_evoloutionwhen_will_housing_prices_become_discussion

Did brian start that one?

I tell you it is just like the bubble days with different sides and cliques, both of them believing what they choose. Except now it all centered around politics and Trump. Even when people say they don’t care about Trump they write about Trump.

I can understand why people are upset about Trump. He is after all the president and an embarrassment for the country. But for every person here that complains about Trump there is someone that complains about brian or some posters they do not like only because they are not on their side. And then they complain about derangement syndrome, lol. Maybe everyone has the same disease.

[Astrid Rey]

[quote=temeculaguy]I do not dispute any of your assertions phaster, just trying to correct brian’s comment where he said the conservative court will likely take the case. He was missing the point as to why there were recent posts because the news of the day was they already reviewed and declined to take up the case. As a follower of scotus but not the city’s pension I was trying to point out and give an analogy that brian’s comment was akin to saying that team X will lose the game because of y, when in fact the game ended an hour ago and they won. And as a younger man I would have challenged him with a wager, seeing that he was predicting the outcome of something that already happened and the result was the opposite of what he predicted.[/quote]

Why are so many of your posts about someone named brian?

I fear you may be suffering from brian derangement syndrome.

[Astrid Rey]

[quote=ltsdd][quote=Astrid Rey]
I am married now and we are considering buying a house in Menifee or Temecula but are not sure it is a good time to buy. I thought I might ask advice here but now I am not so certain about the quality of the information. It seems that many of the smart people have lost their way.[/quote]

I have a simple checklist that I use each time I am in the market for a PRIMARY residence – Do I have a need for it and can I afford it? Price direction after I bought really not matter much because it’s only paper gain/loss. Buy a house only if you intended to live in it long-term (10+ years).[/quote]

Thank you for the advice ltsdd and others. We have decided not to purchase now because we are already renting a nice enough house and do not think there is much upside to buy and possibly even some downside.

I think that Rich’s chart tells us that that prices cannot go up much. Also there is so much new construction that will increase supply. It looks familiar to the bubble days with all the building and now I wonder, who is going to buy all of these houses? There is a huge development off Butterfield Stage road that was empty for so long but now they are building again. I wonder when the mortgage scammers will start again. I would think that people have learned their lesson but who knows?

I don’t know what will happen with the economy in general but I don’t believe that polls in the news tell us anything. When 7 in 10 people think that the economy is good what does that really say? So many people were fooled before. It seems that maybe the smart thing is to believe the opposite of the majority. And now more than ever people want to believe their side is right and do not want to look at facts. People want to see those that they do not like to be wrong, even if it costs them money.

[Astrid Rey]

[quote=temeculaguy]Astrid, what was your ID before you changed it? Piggington has a unique feature called “track.” It shows you’ve been a member for 4 years and only posted on two threads. Not enough to perform an analysis on the history of piggington or of my politics unless you changed your identity and then the logical question is why did you change it?

But you blew flyer’s mind, what a feat. Blow ZK’s mind who may agree with you do but who is an intellectual but not as predictable as brian and you won’t be considered a troll if you can, until then you are.

If you want to look back I predicted Trump would win as the crowded field began but he wasn’t my pick. But that matters not as you see red and what you don’t like and that makes you predictable and the sheeple. I watch them and try to outmaneuver them. I have never participated actively in politics but merely use it as a data point to predict things.
Admittedly I am to blame for starting this threads with insults toward a particular ideology because I thought it was needed to get the crowd to focus and see the folly of their distraction. That is my fault and I accept the blame for that misstep. Part of me hopes you get the leader you so desperately want next time only to see it makes no difference and we will still be left with each other to navigate the waters on our own.

Now I’m distracted, but thanks to all for their advice, glad to see AN felt this was a safe space for a capatalist to return to.

Scenario one just firmed up their work location, near sorrento/torrey so Mira Mesa is equidistant from their two work sites. There’s a massive rental complex just off mira mesa blvd right next to the 15. Can FLU, AN or anyone else with familiarity with the area give advice of that as a good rental spot to gauge the area for a newcomer? They are not the ones relocating from SE Asia.[/quote]

I did not have an ID when the real estate bubble was happening. I was only in high school when I started reading this site and others because my family was getting caught up in a real estate scam. Almost everyone in my family, aunts and uncles and adult cousins gave money to a scammer that said they were buying houses. The crooks became a part of our community and used the church to recruit their victims. I saw how they replaced the faith of my family in Christ with the faith that real estate was the answer to everything. I knew nothing about real estate but knew something was not right.

After everyone lost money there was so much blaming and it caused divisions in my family that last to this day. My parents no longer speak to some of my favorite aunts and uncles. We were all very close but the scam created so much shame and anger that has never healed.

The one thing I will never forget about that time is how there were two sides that grew further apart every day. There were uncles who believed in the scam and those who rejected it. It became so much more than just a difference of opinion and divided our family completely. It was the only thing the adults would talk about at family gatherings. And I remember how the uncles who believed most would mock and make fun of those who were not investing. One of them became especially mean spirited and would flaunt his so called wealth in front of his brothers. He became a bully. I see the same behavior in the Trump people when they mock others. Of course they were all wrong in the end.

For your post TG, insults were never needed. Your explanation is very weak. You insulted because it gives you a rush of good feelings. It is how the mind of a bully works.

For me your nickname of TG will now and forever stand for Trump’s Guy. You can try to take back your words but it is not convincing.

The real estate bubble was a cult. For my family it was even tied to our faith. Trump is also a cult. It is so obvious. It is not surprising that he also uses the church to recruit his victims.

I would like to try to see your point of view but you are not trying to see mine. And I have no sympathy for these monsters and their supporters.

https://www.pe.com/2014/01/21/ponzi-montecastro-sentenced-to-81-years-8-months-2/

I am married now and we are considering buying a house in Menifee or Temecula but are not sure it is a good time to buy. I thought I might ask advice here but now I am not so certain about the quality of the information. It seems that many of the smart people have lost their way.

[Astrid Rey]

[quote=temeculaguy]As an OG of this site I have dropped in every few months only to close the window in disgust to see what my once loved forum has become. I have different motives today than I did back then. I bought eleven years ago after the biggest bubble in my lifetime and I will always credit this place with how I managed to time the market. Now I’m curious as my children are now adults, college grads and in the workforce, I want to give them advice that is timely as far as purchases or renting goes.

But alas, the site is awash in liberal drivel, socialism, politics and trump derangement syndrome. What the hell happened? This place was the “red pill” to the main stream media circa 2006 and look at it now. To quote Bunk from the Wire “Makes me sick how far we done fell” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wmgghlEagA

So when does piggington become a forum for the economic punk rockers again, those who would never listen to the main stream media and want to beat the sheeple and the system. Or will it remain a place democratic socialists go when the Rachael Maddow show has a guest host?

I’ve also seen the treatment of some old friends by the rabid progressives and have been tempted to intervene, but wisdom prevents me from doing so because they need to age out of it. As the old saying goes, “if you are not a socialist by 20 you have no heart but if you are not a conservative by 40 you have no brain.” They need to age out of it and I will not convince them otherwise, however at some point someone has to declare “adult swim, everyone under 18, out of the pool.” Plus I hate politics and despise both sides and never put that much faith in another human.

BTW interesting history about that socialist quote, https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24/heart-head/
there’s debate about who said it and what they said, but any of those credited and any of the versions still make the point.[/quote]

What made this site and others like it during the housing bubble fascinating to read was that it was not simply about economics and housing prices. It was really about group thinking and how so many people will behave irrationally when they are surrounded by the safety of others doing the same thing.

It is so ironic that temeculaguy has now revealed himself to be a stereotypical Trump follower. Trump and his followers are driven by the selfish but irrational psychology that created the real estate bubble.

People put blind faith in the idea that real estate would make them wealthy and that the price would always go up despite obvious evidence to the contrary. This site presented such contrary evidence clearly but the zealots refused to accept it. Those in the club that believed real estate would always go up were validated by the fact that it did go up in an unexpected way for many years. The cultists would point to the extreme price gains as “proof” that this time things are different and the old established rules of economics were wrong all along. It was a scam that worked for so many people that they refused to see it as a scam.

Trump’s victory in 2016 was a similar validation for people that believed in the scam that he was promoting. The polls said he would lose, but he won. His followers took that as proof that the mainstream institutions were no longer legitimate. It emboldened them to believe that they could challenge anything they did not like, regardless of actual evidence.

During the bubble, the charts and data Rich gave us represented the truth that so many refused to believe. Now in the phenomenon that is Trump the fact checkers that point out his constant and brazen lying provide the same service that this site did over a decade ago ago. But as before there are those that passionately refuse to believe plain evidence. It is more fun to believe the lie and bully the “naysayers” that speak the truth.

temeculaguy, you are the sheeple this time.

[Astrid Rey]

[quote=temeculaguy]Prediction-Your feelings get hurt……and the rest of us secretly enjoy it.[/quote]

Those few words say a lot about the kind of person you are.

[Astrid Rey]

I joined this site with plans of asking about real estate in Temecula. I remember the temeculaguy posts from years ago and always believed they were insightful. This post is very disappointing.

Trump Derangement Syndrome? You could not even come up with an original phrase?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obama%20Derangement%20Syndrome

It is sad to see how Trump and his media have poisoned the mind of many good people. Over and over we hear people repeat the same old empty phrases and then congratulate themselves for their cleverness. The most ironic of these phrases of course is “mainstream media” LOL.

Is this the quality, balanced journalism that you use?

When I read your post, I think of one word: “sheeple”

A very pathetic return, temeculaguy.

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