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[quote=spdrun]They turn it down because it’s conditional. Provide unconditional housing, then focus on the sobriety, treatment, and employment parts.[/quote]
LoL, F-NO!

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[quote=spdrun]Do we have any better ideas? Throwing people in jail repeatedly is generally more expensive than housing and does nothing for their future employment prospects and ability to re-integrate into society.[/quote]
This is America, you can’t just round people up and put them into housing they don’t want to be in and make them do stuff that they don’t want to do.

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[quote=spdrun]
The solution is to house the people first, get them medical care, and get them jobs.[/quote]
LoL, if it’s that easy, it would have already been done.

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That’s as relevant of an argument as me saying you think serial killers should be set free.

Btw, in the 90s, whites were the majority, now, that’s no longer the case. Do you have a problem with people of colors moving in? That’s pretty racist.

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[quote=spdrun]Gentrification isn’t only about race. In many cases, it’s creating a monoculture that pushes everything else that’s interesting out.[/quote]
What is this monoculture you’re referring to? And what’s this interesting thing you’re referring to?

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[quote=spdrun]The shitty policy was mass incarceration and the War on Some Drugs. Cops and jailers got too fucking uppity in the US and needed to be told their proper place. Create an unemployable class with criminal records due to victimless crimes that never should have been crimes, and you get more poverty, more rage, and more crime. The US fucked itself starting with Reagan.[/quote]
That’s what you get for breaking the law… quit ya whining.

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[quote=spdrun]Besides, shouldn’t you see this as an opportunity? If prices crash to early 2010s levels, you could buy and rent out to your heart’s content.[/quote]
Exactly! These shitty policy goes in cycle. Looking for more killings and SF becoming an even bigger wasteland. Give me an opportunity to get in, then the citizens will be sick of it and vote for someone who will bring law and order back to the city and RE price will go back up again.

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From my very first reply

[quote=an]Considering the desalination plant in Carlsbad cost us $1b and can give us 8% of our water usage, we just need to build 12 more and we’re set. Considering global warming and sea level rise, that supply of water is only increasing. Maybe we can just do what OC did w/ their freeway and build 20 desalination plants, go bankrupt, and we’ll be set w/ water for a very long time.[/quote]

I was quite clear, I see no problem here that we can’t solve with current technology. You obviously disagree and that’s fine. We’ll just agree to disagree.

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[quote=barnaby33]
Infrastructure, whether it’s for water, oil, moving cars, what-have-you, takes time to build; even if funded now.[/quote]
If we don’t start, we will never finish.

[quote=barnaby33]there just isn’t enough to go around at a price people are willing to pay.[/quote]
What you’re willing to pay and what I’m willing to pay could and probably is totally different.

[quote=barnaby33] Otherwise those magical desalination plants would already exist.[/quote]
Wrong, those plants doesn’t exist because environmentalist prevent them from being built. Just look at the Huntington Beach proposal as a prime example of what’s happening now.

[quote=barnaby33]Pumping water is insanely expensive, so is desalination. Maybe with fusion the cost will drop enough that you can have your acre green lawn and 20 minute showers along with fresh fruit and veg from half a state away. I am terrible at predicting the future. I have however studied water somewhat, having grown up on a failed apple farm in Valley Center. [/quote]Again, your definition of expensive is different than mine.

[quote=barnaby33]Did you know AN that the majority of water consumed in the central valley for irrigation is pumped up from the ground?[/quote]
Yes, I do know that. If you say, lets ban farmers from pumping water from the ground, then I can understand where you want to go w/ the solution. I don’t agree with it, but I would understand.

[quote=barnaby33]That’s not water income, that’s water inheritance and it is running out FAST! How hurt will your feelings be when the regional water authority tells you you only get to water your lawn 2 times a week or even a month?[/quote]Nothing new, LA is already doing it and SD did it before. I won’t be hurt. I don’t agree with it, but there are many things I don’t agree with, but that’s life. I fully expect CA government will do it in the future. We have no appetite to increase supply, so I fully expect rationing in the future. It’s not a matter of “if”, but it’s a matter of “when”. When that happened, I’ll convert to artificial turf. Not going to lose sleep over it. Life moves on. No sweat off my back. I’m adaptable. I don’t stress about things that I can’t control.

[quote=barnaby33]Will your wants be satisfied be imposed restrictions because it just isn’t there and we collectively didn’t take steps to stop what we reasonably see coming?[/quote]
If we don’t take steps to increase supply, then we reap what we sow.

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[quote=sdrealtor][quote=teaboy][quote=sdrealtor] I still beleive supply will stay modest with folks locked in because of low real estate taxes they cant move (under 55 years old), potential massive capital gain tax bills and fixed rate mortgages under 3%. I fit into 2 of those in a big way.
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This is not new news, but thanks for reminding me that I’m effectively locked into my house for at least the next 12 years, until I’m 55 so I should stop procrastinating and get on with those renovations… 🙂

tb[/quote]

One thing i have seen countless times is people fix up their homes for sale and look at them and say why didn’t I do this for myself years ago so i could enjoy it also. It looks great. Happens everytime[/quote]You and me both. Which is why I remodeled about 70% before I moved in and did the other 30% w/in the next few years.

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[quote=barnaby33]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Okie dokie.

We don’t need to do w/ less, and I don’t want to do with less, especially when we/I don’t have to.

Now you just sound like one of the scared old people in my HOA who don’t want change! We do need to do with less. The whole premise of this thread is that available sources of water are not running out in some distant unknowable future, they’re running out now. The investment and infrastructure necessary to rectify that for the present population is decades away, even if funded now.[/quote]
I love change, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have live through with much less, so I actually experience first hand what you’re asking for and I don’t want to go back there.

What I’m saying is drastic change from what we’re doing today. What you’re saying is no change. We’re doing exactly what you’re saying.

Also, it’s not realistic. We’re living longer, with advancement in medicine, that number will keep on increasing. We are also reproducing. So, even if we keep our living standard the same, our demand for those resources will increase due to population increase. It’s also not fair to expect our average living standard to be the same. I want poor people who someday enjoy the living standard that I do, so, naturally, that will increase the average living standard, which will increase the demand for resources.

So, I don’t see how we can lower demand in any meaningful way.

BTW, I reject the premise of this thread. The premise of this thread doesn’t make sense as I look at the Pacific Ocean and the desalination plant in Carlsbad and the solar and wind farms popping up everywhere. Not to mention nuclear. So, no, we’re not running out of water, not now, not ever.

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[quote=svelte][quote=an]
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. With global warming and sea level rise, we not only have virtually limitless supply of water, but it’s also growing. With the technology we have today, we could solve this problem if we want to. Not everyone wants to, which is fine. But to say we’ll run out of water while staring out into the ocean boggles my mind. This is not 1800s. We have all the technology and tools we need to solve this problem…

We don’t need to do w/ less, and I don’t want to do with less, especially when we/I don’t have to.[/quote]

This is probably true.

And I think nuclear energy will be part of our future for a lot longer than people want to believe. Not the massive facilities we all think of, but small reactors that will be located around the world. This is part of what will power desal plants and I’m pretty sure desal will be a bigger and bigger part of our future. It will also power the plethora of EVs we are about to produce.

I know environmentalists think solar and wind will give us what we need, but somehow I doubt that.

We don’t live in a perfect world and the solutions we find won’t be perfect either.[/quote]
100% agree, nuclear is the power source that can give us what we need to go full desalination and EV. We can and should add solar and wind to the mix too.

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We can build a few thousands of these too, to power the desalination plants https://electrek.co/2022/05/18/electrify-america-announces-new-solar-energy-farm-that-can-generate-up-to-75-mw-per-hour/

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[quote=barnaby33]Woe to him who treats water as a market commodity. He shall reap what he sows. It takes decades to build the kind of infra you’re talking about. It won’t solve the problem. Humans are maximizers. All you are doing by playing the lets-expand-supply-game is heightening the fall. Water is the most fundamental human need. It almost doesn’t exist in Southern California. Market forces will not in any real sense lead us to a better place, or even a place where our society can survive. Think tragedy of the commons.

We will drill, drill, drill until the water runs out; or is too expensive to extract. That will presage a collapse. One where food will get much more expensive and millions around the world will starve. Lets just stop growing almonds and other stupid for profit, for export shit we don’t need and save the water for things we do.

Getting used to doing with less is the only way forward till fusion becomes a reality. Then all bets are off.
Josh[/quote]
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. With global warming and sea level rise, we not only have virtually limitless supply of water, but it’s also growing. With the technology we have today, we could solve this problem if we want to. Not everyone wants to, which is fine. But to say we’ll run out of water while staring out into the ocean boggles my mind. This is not 1800s. We have all the technology and tools we need to solve this problem. Not to mention inflation and passage of time, why not borrow $ today with a bond to build these infrastructures. Since future generations will use these infrastructures too, they should pay for it too.

We don’t need to do w/ less, and I don’t want to do with less, especially when we/I don’t have to.

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https://www.engadget.com/apple-delays-return-to-office-allows-remote-work-194324892.html

Apple… just kidding… lol

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