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January 24, 2011 at 2:17 PM #658649January 24, 2011 at 2:26 PM #657524
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GuestAnswer this: When does any search become “unreasonable?”
Or are you saying that any government search is reasonable, and that the 4th Amendment should be ignored?
January 24, 2011 at 2:26 PM #657585GuestAnswer this: When does any search become “unreasonable?”
Or are you saying that any government search is reasonable, and that the 4th Amendment should be ignored?
January 24, 2011 at 2:26 PM #658187GuestAnswer this: When does any search become “unreasonable?”
Or are you saying that any government search is reasonable, and that the 4th Amendment should be ignored?
January 24, 2011 at 2:26 PM #658326GuestAnswer this: When does any search become “unreasonable?”
Or are you saying that any government search is reasonable, and that the 4th Amendment should be ignored?
January 24, 2011 at 2:26 PM #658654GuestAnswer this: When does any search become “unreasonable?”
Or are you saying that any government search is reasonable, and that the 4th Amendment should be ignored?
January 24, 2011 at 2:32 PM #657529bearishgurl
Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
no_such_reality, these “checkpoints” are NOT set up on highways to/from the US/MX border. They are set up on an E/W bound US interstate where we, as Americans, have a God-given right to freely travel them to other points in this “great country” of ours.
[/quote]Minor nit, you don’t have a right to drive.
There are many places where you can be checked for things from airports to courthouses to high schools.
BTW, what was unreasonable about your interactions with the officers in question? What was onerous in view of the other national concerns around trafficking? Remember, the I-8/I-10 are major trafficking corridors.[/quote]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
These “checkpoints” on the interstate came about after the US DOJ agencies merged into the “Dept of Homeland Security” (since 9/11).
FWIW, I’ve even seen a carload of five Japanese tourists (in a rented Mercedes) sent into “secondary” to search for their documents.
The “profiling” they do is designed to weed out Americans from non-Americans and target vehicles carrying “suspicious” loads. But probably sometimes innocent “real” Americans end up getting treated “unreasonably.”
January 24, 2011 at 2:32 PM #657590Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
no_such_reality, these “checkpoints” are NOT set up on highways to/from the US/MX border. They are set up on an E/W bound US interstate where we, as Americans, have a God-given right to freely travel them to other points in this “great country” of ours.
[/quote]Minor nit, you don’t have a right to drive.
There are many places where you can be checked for things from airports to courthouses to high schools.
BTW, what was unreasonable about your interactions with the officers in question? What was onerous in view of the other national concerns around trafficking? Remember, the I-8/I-10 are major trafficking corridors.[/quote]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
These “checkpoints” on the interstate came about after the US DOJ agencies merged into the “Dept of Homeland Security” (since 9/11).
FWIW, I’ve even seen a carload of five Japanese tourists (in a rented Mercedes) sent into “secondary” to search for their documents.
The “profiling” they do is designed to weed out Americans from non-Americans and target vehicles carrying “suspicious” loads. But probably sometimes innocent “real” Americans end up getting treated “unreasonably.”
January 24, 2011 at 2:32 PM #658192Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
no_such_reality, these “checkpoints” are NOT set up on highways to/from the US/MX border. They are set up on an E/W bound US interstate where we, as Americans, have a God-given right to freely travel them to other points in this “great country” of ours.
[/quote]Minor nit, you don’t have a right to drive.
There are many places where you can be checked for things from airports to courthouses to high schools.
BTW, what was unreasonable about your interactions with the officers in question? What was onerous in view of the other national concerns around trafficking? Remember, the I-8/I-10 are major trafficking corridors.[/quote]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
These “checkpoints” on the interstate came about after the US DOJ agencies merged into the “Dept of Homeland Security” (since 9/11).
FWIW, I’ve even seen a carload of five Japanese tourists (in a rented Mercedes) sent into “secondary” to search for their documents.
The “profiling” they do is designed to weed out Americans from non-Americans and target vehicles carrying “suspicious” loads. But probably sometimes innocent “real” Americans end up getting treated “unreasonably.”
January 24, 2011 at 2:32 PM #658331Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
no_such_reality, these “checkpoints” are NOT set up on highways to/from the US/MX border. They are set up on an E/W bound US interstate where we, as Americans, have a God-given right to freely travel them to other points in this “great country” of ours.
[/quote]Minor nit, you don’t have a right to drive.
There are many places where you can be checked for things from airports to courthouses to high schools.
BTW, what was unreasonable about your interactions with the officers in question? What was onerous in view of the other national concerns around trafficking? Remember, the I-8/I-10 are major trafficking corridors.[/quote]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
These “checkpoints” on the interstate came about after the US DOJ agencies merged into the “Dept of Homeland Security” (since 9/11).
FWIW, I’ve even seen a carload of five Japanese tourists (in a rented Mercedes) sent into “secondary” to search for their documents.
The “profiling” they do is designed to weed out Americans from non-Americans and target vehicles carrying “suspicious” loads. But probably sometimes innocent “real” Americans end up getting treated “unreasonably.”
January 24, 2011 at 2:32 PM #658659Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
no_such_reality, these “checkpoints” are NOT set up on highways to/from the US/MX border. They are set up on an E/W bound US interstate where we, as Americans, have a God-given right to freely travel them to other points in this “great country” of ours.
[/quote]Minor nit, you don’t have a right to drive.
There are many places where you can be checked for things from airports to courthouses to high schools.
BTW, what was unreasonable about your interactions with the officers in question? What was onerous in view of the other national concerns around trafficking? Remember, the I-8/I-10 are major trafficking corridors.[/quote]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
These “checkpoints” on the interstate came about after the US DOJ agencies merged into the “Dept of Homeland Security” (since 9/11).
FWIW, I’ve even seen a carload of five Japanese tourists (in a rented Mercedes) sent into “secondary” to search for their documents.
The “profiling” they do is designed to weed out Americans from non-Americans and target vehicles carrying “suspicious” loads. But probably sometimes innocent “real” Americans end up getting treated “unreasonably.”
January 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM #657534no_such_reality
ParticipantDUI checkpoints are not unreasonable. It’s just a PITA. Non-random stops to subject just you to a DUI screening with no reason is unreasonable.
Given the state of the issues, is it any different than a DUI checkpoint?
Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?
IMHO, we do, and given such, the main corridors to large populations centers will experience the bulk of the traffic.
Is it a PITA? Yes. So is the screening line at the airport.
January 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM #657595ParticipantDUI checkpoints are not unreasonable. It’s just a PITA. Non-random stops to subject just you to a DUI screening with no reason is unreasonable.
Given the state of the issues, is it any different than a DUI checkpoint?
Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?
IMHO, we do, and given such, the main corridors to large populations centers will experience the bulk of the traffic.
Is it a PITA? Yes. So is the screening line at the airport.
January 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM #658197ParticipantDUI checkpoints are not unreasonable. It’s just a PITA. Non-random stops to subject just you to a DUI screening with no reason is unreasonable.
Given the state of the issues, is it any different than a DUI checkpoint?
Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?
IMHO, we do, and given such, the main corridors to large populations centers will experience the bulk of the traffic.
Is it a PITA? Yes. So is the screening line at the airport.
January 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM #658336ParticipantDUI checkpoints are not unreasonable. It’s just a PITA. Non-random stops to subject just you to a DUI screening with no reason is unreasonable.
Given the state of the issues, is it any different than a DUI checkpoint?
Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?
IMHO, we do, and given such, the main corridors to large populations centers will experience the bulk of the traffic.
Is it a PITA? Yes. So is the screening line at the airport.
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