OT: Where can I get H1N1 vaccine for my kids?

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[quote=Scarlett][quote=Arraya][They did a study on autism within the Amish community that is averse to all vaccines. The ratio was 4 out of 22,000 when out of 22,000 in the normal population would be normally 130 with autism. Out of those 4 , 3 were vaccinated.[/quote]
That does not prove anything – Amish population may very well have a genetic makeup that makes them less prone to autism; second, many live in less polluted areas, eat less food that’s laced with chemicals, etc.[/quote]

Nope, it does not prove a thing, but it adds evidence towards. Nothing is ever “proven” in science, really. It’s just the nature of the beast.

Just as the nature of the “profit” driven beast is to skew evidence towards favorable outcomes. It’s just the way it is.

This is where intuition and common sense come into play.

Tobacco Science and the Thimerosal Scandal
http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/docs/ThimerosalScandalFINAL.PDF

Mounting evidence suggests that thimerosal, a preservative in many children’s vaccines that breaks down to release neurotoxic ethyl mercury, may be responsible for the exponential growth
of autism, attention deficit disorder (ADD), hyperactivity (ADHD), speech and language delays, and other childhood neurological disorders now epidemic in the United States.1 It is undisputed that exposure to mercury in infancy reduces a child’s intelligence, with boys suffering the most
dramatic injury (testosterone tends to amplify mercury’s damage, while estrogen seems to moderate it).2 Some scientists believe that thimerosal in children’s inoculations may even be the cause of the 100-point loss in scholastic aptitude scores among children born in the “Thimerosal

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FDA has posted which vaccines ever contained thimerosal.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228#t1

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070430.htm

all new vaccines for kids licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal (except influenza).

Cessation of thimerosal use in Denmark and Sweden in 1992 prompted to conduct a before and after comparison of the incidence or case numbers of autism. In both countries, autism increases throughout the years 1987-1999, contrary to the decrease in autism that would be expected after 1992 if thimerosal exposure was related to autism. The increasing trend for autism is most notable in Denmark where the number of autism cases rises substantially even after the discontinuation of thimerosal use. The results were published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Aug 2003; 25(2):101-6).

CDC has an ongoing cooperative agreement with the Danish Medical Research Council. This cooperative agreement supports a collaborative research program with Danish researchers and provides opportunities for CDC to pursue causes of birth defects and developmental disabilities through Denmark’s unique public health data infrastructure. The Danish study, which followed more than 500,000 children, over 7 years, found no association between the MMR vaccination and autism. The results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine (2002; 347:1477)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/VSD_Chart_of_Autism_Studies-Updated_Aug_18_09.pdf

[Scarlett]

FDA has posted which vaccines ever contained thimerosal.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228#t1

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070430.htm

all new vaccines for kids licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal (except influenza).

Cessation of thimerosal use in Denmark and Sweden in 1992 prompted to conduct a before and after comparison of the incidence or case numbers of autism. In both countries, autism increases throughout the years 1987-1999, contrary to the decrease in autism that would be expected after 1992 if thimerosal exposure was related to autism. The increasing trend for autism is most notable in Denmark where the number of autism cases rises substantially even after the discontinuation of thimerosal use. The results were published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Aug 2003; 25(2):101-6).

CDC has an ongoing cooperative agreement with the Danish Medical Research Council. This cooperative agreement supports a collaborative research program with Danish researchers and provides opportunities for CDC to pursue causes of birth defects and developmental disabilities through Denmark’s unique public health data infrastructure. The Danish study, which followed more than 500,000 children, over 7 years, found no association between the MMR vaccination and autism. The results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine (2002; 347:1477)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/VSD_Chart_of_Autism_Studies-Updated_Aug_18_09.pdf

[Scarlett]

FDA has posted which vaccines ever contained thimerosal.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228#t1

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070430.htm

all new vaccines for kids licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal (except influenza).

Cessation of thimerosal use in Denmark and Sweden in 1992 prompted to conduct a before and after comparison of the incidence or case numbers of autism. In both countries, autism increases throughout the years 1987-1999, contrary to the decrease in autism that would be expected after 1992 if thimerosal exposure was related to autism. The increasing trend for autism is most notable in Denmark where the number of autism cases rises substantially even after the discontinuation of thimerosal use. The results were published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Aug 2003; 25(2):101-6).

CDC has an ongoing cooperative agreement with the Danish Medical Research Council. This cooperative agreement supports a collaborative research program with Danish researchers and provides opportunities for CDC to pursue causes of birth defects and developmental disabilities through Denmark’s unique public health data infrastructure. The Danish study, which followed more than 500,000 children, over 7 years, found no association between the MMR vaccination and autism. The results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine (2002; 347:1477)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/VSD_Chart_of_Autism_Studies-Updated_Aug_18_09.pdf

[Scarlett]

FDA has posted which vaccines ever contained thimerosal.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228#t1

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070430.htm

all new vaccines for kids licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal (except influenza).

Cessation of thimerosal use in Denmark and Sweden in 1992 prompted to conduct a before and after comparison of the incidence or case numbers of autism. In both countries, autism increases throughout the years 1987-1999, contrary to the decrease in autism that would be expected after 1992 if thimerosal exposure was related to autism. The increasing trend for autism is most notable in Denmark where the number of autism cases rises substantially even after the discontinuation of thimerosal use. The results were published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Aug 2003; 25(2):101-6).

CDC has an ongoing cooperative agreement with the Danish Medical Research Council. This cooperative agreement supports a collaborative research program with Danish researchers and provides opportunities for CDC to pursue causes of birth defects and developmental disabilities through Denmark’s unique public health data infrastructure. The Danish study, which followed more than 500,000 children, over 7 years, found no association between the MMR vaccination and autism. The results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine (2002; 347:1477)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/VSD_Chart_of_Autism_Studies-Updated_Aug_18_09.pdf

[Scarlett]

FDA has posted which vaccines ever contained thimerosal.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228#t1

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm070430.htm

all new vaccines for kids licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal (except influenza).

Cessation of thimerosal use in Denmark and Sweden in 1992 prompted to conduct a before and after comparison of the incidence or case numbers of autism. In both countries, autism increases throughout the years 1987-1999, contrary to the decrease in autism that would be expected after 1992 if thimerosal exposure was related to autism. The increasing trend for autism is most notable in Denmark where the number of autism cases rises substantially even after the discontinuation of thimerosal use. The results were published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Aug 2003; 25(2):101-6).

CDC has an ongoing cooperative agreement with the Danish Medical Research Council. This cooperative agreement supports a collaborative research program with Danish researchers and provides opportunities for CDC to pursue causes of birth defects and developmental disabilities through Denmark’s unique public health data infrastructure. The Danish study, which followed more than 500,000 children, over 7 years, found no association between the MMR vaccination and autism. The results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine (2002; 347:1477)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/VSD_Chart_of_Autism_Studies-Updated_Aug_18_09.pdf

[Arraya]

Hank Paulson may have been a little conflicted, even though he was entrusted with the entire nation’s financial well-being.

CDC is a who’s who of big pharma….

Top All-Time Political Donors 1989-2008

#58 Pfizer Inc $13,201,017
#67 GlaxoSmithKline $10,892,244
#84 Eli Lilly & Co $8,979,924
#96 Bristol-Myers Squibb $7,282,437

The 2003 study has been dismissed and flawed, and other studies since been labeled biased due to conflict of interest.

Conflicts of interest in new CDC Thimerosal study of 2004:

Dr. Thompson – former employee of Merck;

Dr. Marcy, receiving consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune;

Dr. Jackson, receiving grant support from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Novartis, lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur, and consulting fees from Wyeth and Abbott and serving as a consultant to the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee;

Dr. Lieu, serving as a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices;

Dr. Black, receiving consulting fees from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck and grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Novartis;

and Dr. Davis receiving consulting fees from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

[Arraya]

Hank Paulson may have been a little conflicted, even though he was entrusted with the entire nation’s financial well-being.

CDC is a who’s who of big pharma….

Top All-Time Political Donors 1989-2008

#58 Pfizer Inc $13,201,017
#67 GlaxoSmithKline $10,892,244
#84 Eli Lilly & Co $8,979,924
#96 Bristol-Myers Squibb $7,282,437

The 2003 study has been dismissed and flawed, and other studies since been labeled biased due to conflict of interest.

Conflicts of interest in new CDC Thimerosal study of 2004:

Dr. Thompson – former employee of Merck;

Dr. Marcy, receiving consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune;

Dr. Jackson, receiving grant support from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Novartis, lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur, and consulting fees from Wyeth and Abbott and serving as a consultant to the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee;

Dr. Lieu, serving as a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices;

Dr. Black, receiving consulting fees from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck and grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Novartis;

and Dr. Davis receiving consulting fees from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

[Arraya]

Hank Paulson may have been a little conflicted, even though he was entrusted with the entire nation’s financial well-being.

CDC is a who’s who of big pharma….

Top All-Time Political Donors 1989-2008

#58 Pfizer Inc $13,201,017
#67 GlaxoSmithKline $10,892,244
#84 Eli Lilly & Co $8,979,924
#96 Bristol-Myers Squibb $7,282,437

The 2003 study has been dismissed and flawed, and other studies since been labeled biased due to conflict of interest.

Conflicts of interest in new CDC Thimerosal study of 2004:

Dr. Thompson – former employee of Merck;

Dr. Marcy, receiving consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune;

Dr. Jackson, receiving grant support from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Novartis, lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur, and consulting fees from Wyeth and Abbott and serving as a consultant to the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee;

Dr. Lieu, serving as a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices;

Dr. Black, receiving consulting fees from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck and grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Novartis;

and Dr. Davis receiving consulting fees from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

[Arraya]

Hank Paulson may have been a little conflicted, even though he was entrusted with the entire nation’s financial well-being.

CDC is a who’s who of big pharma….

Top All-Time Political Donors 1989-2008

#58 Pfizer Inc $13,201,017
#67 GlaxoSmithKline $10,892,244
#84 Eli Lilly & Co $8,979,924
#96 Bristol-Myers Squibb $7,282,437

The 2003 study has been dismissed and flawed, and other studies since been labeled biased due to conflict of interest.

Conflicts of interest in new CDC Thimerosal study of 2004:

Dr. Thompson – former employee of Merck;

Dr. Marcy, receiving consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune;

Dr. Jackson, receiving grant support from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Novartis, lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur, and consulting fees from Wyeth and Abbott and serving as a consultant to the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee;

Dr. Lieu, serving as a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices;

Dr. Black, receiving consulting fees from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck and grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Novartis;

and Dr. Davis receiving consulting fees from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

[Arraya]

Hank Paulson may have been a little conflicted, even though he was entrusted with the entire nation’s financial well-being.

CDC is a who’s who of big pharma….

Top All-Time Political Donors 1989-2008

#58 Pfizer Inc $13,201,017
#67 GlaxoSmithKline $10,892,244
#84 Eli Lilly & Co $8,979,924
#96 Bristol-Myers Squibb $7,282,437

The 2003 study has been dismissed and flawed, and other studies since been labeled biased due to conflict of interest.

Conflicts of interest in new CDC Thimerosal study of 2004:

Dr. Thompson – former employee of Merck;

Dr. Marcy, receiving consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune;

Dr. Jackson, receiving grant support from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Novartis, lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur, and consulting fees from Wyeth and Abbott and serving as a consultant to the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee;

Dr. Lieu, serving as a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices;

Dr. Black, receiving consulting fees from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck and grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Novartis;

and Dr. Davis receiving consulting fees from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

[edna_mode]

One more caveat to the whole “autism” debate…what is classified as autism is not the same today as what was classified decades past.

We’re fixing now what didn’t even get recognized as needing fixing before. Not good, not bad.

So now you have to decide if you really believe that there is a coherent conspiracy “Big Pharma” peddling vaccines vs. a coherent conspiracy of “Big Therapy” peddling services to slow learners. Your call.

p.s. how conspiracy theories abound when Dilbert’s boss is found so readily in any management endeavor is beyond me…

[edna_mode]

One more caveat to the whole “autism” debate…what is classified as autism is not the same today as what was classified decades past.

We’re fixing now what didn’t even get recognized as needing fixing before. Not good, not bad.

So now you have to decide if you really believe that there is a coherent conspiracy “Big Pharma” peddling vaccines vs. a coherent conspiracy of “Big Therapy” peddling services to slow learners. Your call.

p.s. how conspiracy theories abound when Dilbert’s boss is found so readily in any management endeavor is beyond me…

[edna_mode]

One more caveat to the whole “autism” debate…what is classified as autism is not the same today as what was classified decades past.

We’re fixing now what didn’t even get recognized as needing fixing before. Not good, not bad.

So now you have to decide if you really believe that there is a coherent conspiracy “Big Pharma” peddling vaccines vs. a coherent conspiracy of “Big Therapy” peddling services to slow learners. Your call.

p.s. how conspiracy theories abound when Dilbert’s boss is found so readily in any management endeavor is beyond me…

[edna_mode]

One more caveat to the whole “autism” debate…what is classified as autism is not the same today as what was classified decades past.

We’re fixing now what didn’t even get recognized as needing fixing before. Not good, not bad.

So now you have to decide if you really believe that there is a coherent conspiracy “Big Pharma” peddling vaccines vs. a coherent conspiracy of “Big Therapy” peddling services to slow learners. Your call.

p.s. how conspiracy theories abound when Dilbert’s boss is found so readily in any management endeavor is beyond me…

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