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September 10, 2008 at 7:37 PM #269040September 10, 2008 at 11:02 PM #268788
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ParticipantSantaLuz was supposed to get there own school too. What ever happened to that?
September 10, 2008 at 11:02 PM #269014ParticipantSantaLuz was supposed to get there own school too. What ever happened to that?
September 10, 2008 at 11:02 PM #269028ParticipantSantaLuz was supposed to get there own school too. What ever happened to that?
September 10, 2008 at 11:02 PM #269072ParticipantSantaLuz was supposed to get there own school too. What ever happened to that?
September 10, 2008 at 11:02 PM #269100ParticipantSantaLuz was supposed to get there own school too. What ever happened to that?
September 12, 2011 at 11:02 PM #728897joec
ParticipantI thought this was relevant to this old thread:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/12/bernardo-point-parents-contest-new-school-lines/“Bernardo Point parents contest new school lines”
Not sure if API scores are the reason why some parents are upset, but the scores are pretty close across the board anyhow. Main difference is probably how “old” the campus is. Couldn’t find when both middle schools were constructed.
2009: Del Norte High 864
1990: Rancho Bernardo High 841Oak Valley Middle 909
Bernardo Heights Middle 8962006: Monterey Ridge Elementary 942
1990: Turtleback Elementary 916September 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM #728898temeculaguy
Participant[quote=4Sbuyer2002]The new Del Norte High School in 4S looks to be a very impressive campus. There is alot of buzz in 4S about it offering the “International Baccalaureate Program” at the school. This is some sort of whiz bang big deal out of Switzerland designed to prepare students to compete in a global market.
http://www.powayusd.com/pusddnhs/faq.html%5B/quote%5D
My kid’s school has the IB program and I think it is one fo the only ones nearby so they allow IB accepted kids to transfer in, even from Fallbrook in the neighboring county (the school is 1 mile from S.D. county so it’s not a big deal).
The IB program doesn’t prepare for the global market, it prepares them for colleges in other countries. If they plan to attend school in the U.S., AP is probably better suited for them. AP is recognized in the US, IB in the rest of the world. I’m not an educator and others will certainly disagree. My info comes from friends who live in other countries who have kids in private schools, but english speaking american schools despite not being in english speaking countries. If their kids want to go to college in the states, they steer them into AP and if they want to attend school where they are or another country, they steer them toward IB. It may be hard to comprehend that for us, but for some people, the distance between here and San Francisco will cross numerous countries and languages. We think our schools vary, it’s mcuh different other places, IB allows colleges to evaluate foriegn students on a more level playing field with certain universal standards. And of course everyone hates America, so they had to invent their “Euro” version of AP.
September 13, 2011 at 8:08 AM #728912freshman
ParticipantTotally agree , you pay what you get ! the 4S Ranch MR can last for 30 years or more to build the facilities for new residents. The non-MR community means their original design is for using the existing facilities that doesn’t need more fund to build, otherwise there is no free lunch. It doesn’t mean you live closer to the area and you get their benefits free.
A lot of 4S buyers are young family because of the parks and great facilities. They would like to pay for MR to enjoy everything around. There are still many new houses coming up. And lot of young kids will attend the schools in the area. It is good that the non-MR community can enjoy the free lunch so many years. Now the MR residents need to use the facilities they pay for .
It is same case in carmel valley, if you want to get into Torrey Pine high , you can only pick old house . For the new houses, they mostly go for other new high school.
September 13, 2011 at 9:08 AM #728916all
Participant4S schools are newer and nicer. In addition, the kids from Bernardo Point can walk/bike to 4S schools (the elementary and the high school in particular, the middle school is probably too far). Their new schools are miles away.
Also, The parents might be worried that the property values will go down. Almost every Bernardo Point ‘shelter for sale’ ad has the ‘enjoy 4S facilities without paying 4S MR’ line.
September 13, 2011 at 9:37 AM #728918Trojan4Life
Participant4Sbuyer2002 is correct, and the PUSD School Board legally did the right thing last night by standing by their recently poorly communicated decision to adjust boundaries for Monterey Ridge, Oak Valley, and Del Norte to exclude non-Mello Roos adjacent communities of Bernardo Point (SFRs) and The Summit (condos). Legally, they had to. Morally and ethically, it was a poor decision.
Common sense says to let these handful of children attend the schools closest to them when the alternative is a dangerous commute through Camino Del Norte to Bernardo Height and RB High. Although the district superintendent assured those with kids in MRES, OVMS, and DNHS that they would get priority in regards to intradistrict transfers, there is no alternative for future generations of homeowners who choose to buy in Bernardo Point in the future.
The troubling thing about communities like 4S is a “we paid for it and we don’t want you to use it” attitude by the HOAs. Liberty Park, for instance, is now gated and a pass key is required to gain entrance. What kind of a community does that promote?
RB Patch:
http://ranchobernardo.patch.com/articles/redrawn-boundaries-spark-parent-protestSign on San Diego
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/12/bernardo-point-parents-contest-new-school-lines/
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September 13, 2011 at 9:58 AM #728920ParticipantHow about Bernardo point starts to pay for MR same as 4S? then their fund can go for supporting more teachers to teach their kids.
It is same story for the elementary schools in carmel valley. There is less numbers of kids per class in CV because they pay high MR and more donations to the school so their kids can get better treats. In Poway, there is more kids per class because of low MR and less donations. More funds to the school and hire better teachers which can drive better school district and higher house price too.
Some facilities everyone can enjoy , like park, lake, hiring trails, plaza….. because you pay tax. For schools and high bill facilities (like the water park), whoever can pay and then can enjoy.
September 13, 2011 at 10:17 AM #728922ParticipantGood points T4L. I think I read that a lot (and I mean PACKED) folks were filling the water park from outside and that’s why they went with the gate thing for the water park. I read articles that people were coming from as far as Del Mar or CV just to play in the water park and the residents couldn’t use it at all.
I forget who mentioned it, but I think this will probably also raise API scores for the newer schools since these homes around these schools are newer and the economic background of folks moving in are probably richer with more resources for tutors, etc…
Oh well, this is sorta why MR is a crock for everyone just to get property tax from folks. This wouldn’t be an issue if they raised property tax across the board for everyone…Of course, if you lived there already, you wouldn’t vote for that and we’re all stuck again 🙂
Oh yeah, I just did a quick google on a bernardo point house and this was the first one that first popped up. No idea if this 759,900 – 799,900 is current, but that’s more than 100k than what you can get from the new builders so have to factor in the higher price for the lower MR/HOA fees.
September 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM #728926bearishgurl
ParticipantIt’s only fair that the homeowners (and renters, thru their higher rent) who live within the CFD’s and HOA’s should be able to enjoy the facilities and schools built within the CFD’s over residents who do not live there. Especially those who pay *exorbitant* MR (over $4K per year). Why should a student who lives outside the CFD be able to attend schools with certain amenities that their parents didn’t or aren’t paying for?
I don’t mind that my kids’ schools were 30-50 yrs old at the time they attended them (and are now even older). Two have undergone extensive repairs from voter-approved bond $$. If the drinking fountains were chipped and broken, some lockers didn’t work anymore, the lunch tables are looking a little ragged, there is no pool or auditorium, so be it. I never paid MR and I won’t pay MR, ever. I believe the quality of a school is heavily dependent on its teachers. And my kids have been blessed in that department :=]
September 13, 2011 at 11:48 AM #728932Participantwho pays for the teachers? the US government and states have no money , cut teachers, cut social benefits, cut the benefits that the people used to get. Many schools ask for parents’ donation in order to keep the teachers to work, otherwise they increase class size or wait for the little fund from government to improve their facilities. Even the trash, lot of new areas need to pay trash fee.
MR starting around 1982 in CA, because CA state couldn’t offer the heavy development. It is same for US government that cannot support the old-time quality services. If you want better services and quality of life, you need to pay, cannot rely on state or government.
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