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June 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM #19883June 18, 2012 at 1:48 PM #746039
Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantNSR: Not so fast. One-third of ALL U.S. welfare recipients live in California, making us #1 in that category.
LA Times article: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/02/business/la-fi-mo-california-worst-state-20120502
It’s a fairly depressing read, but won’t shock anyone who has been watching California bleed out over the last 20 years.
June 18, 2012 at 2:24 PM #746040desmond
ParticipantI guess all those companies just couldn’t “hack it” so they left.
June 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM #746044spdrun
ParticipantNY and California pay a lot more to DC per resident than they get back in subsidies. I suspect that if CA wasn’t tied to the rest of America, it would do just fine and have a balanced budget. 8th or 9th largest economy in the world and all that.
If you want to see a “welfare” state, look at Mississippi or Arkansas.
June 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM #746072EconProf
ParticipantA few factors explain that much-misunderstood statistic. On the revenue side, many big corporations have headquarters in CA and NY (although that is changing), plus our progressive income tax structure takes more from high earners in the bigger states with higher costs of living.
On the expenditure side, the rural states have more military bases, interstate highways, and farm subsidies (which go mainly to the wealthy in those states.June 19, 2012 at 12:32 PM #746089Participant[quote=EconProf]A few factors explain that much-misunderstood statistic. On the revenue side, many big corporations have headquarters in CA and NY (although that is changing), plus our progressive income tax structure takes more from high earners in the bigger states with higher costs of living.
On the expenditure side, the rural states have more military bases, interstate highways, and farm subsidies (which go mainly to the wealthy in those states.[/quote]EconProf: But, you’re forgetting one key thing: Never, ever let the facts get in the way of a good story!
June 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM #746095The-Shoveler
ParticipantI vote for Secession, I Vote for California to secede.
June 19, 2012 at 1:54 PM #746101Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]I vote for Secession, I Vote for California to secede.[/quote]
As long as we can move the capitol from Sacra-ghetto, I’m all for it!
June 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM #746104Anonymous
Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=EconProf]A few factors explain that much-misunderstood statistic. On the revenue side, many big corporations have headquarters in CA and NY (although that is changing), plus our progressive income tax structure takes more from high earners in the bigger states with higher costs of living.
On the expenditure side, the rural states have more military bases, interstate highways, and farm subsidies (which go mainly to the wealthy in those states.[/quote]EconProf: But, you’re forgetting one key thing: Never, ever let the facts get in the way of a good story![/quote]
Especially facts that have no attributed source, or don’t even make sense!
Sure the tax system takes more from high earners in states with higher costs of living. But if costs are higher in CA, shouldn’t the state also receive more federal dollars to make up for the relative cost differences? If it costs more to live here, it probably costs more to build a road here.
Military bases in CA:
http://www.nps.gov/nagpra/documents/basesmilitarymap.htm
Not many interstate highways in CA? … do we really even need to think about that one?
Farm subsidies? CA is fairly high on the list of total dollars received but, despite CA’s massive agricultural industry, the money received per capita is on the low end of the farm-subsidy scale.
The farm subsidies for TX are more than twice that of CA:
Sorry folks, Red State Socialism is a very real phenomenon.
June 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM #746105ParticipantAs long as we can move the capitol from Sacra-ghetto, I’m all for it!
Why? It keeps all of the politicians from polluting more pristine places. Kind of like how DC was built on a malarial swamp 🙂
June 19, 2012 at 3:53 PM #746109Participant[quote=spdrun]
As long as we can move the capitol from Sacra-ghetto, I’m all for it!
Why? It keeps all of the politicians from polluting more pristine places. Kind of like how DC was built on a malarial swamp :)[/quote]
That comment of mine was actually tongue planted firmly in cheek.
As a native Californian, I’m all for keeping the state gubment exactly where it is.
I remember a class field trip to Sacto during grade school. Senator Hayakawa was visiting and sitting in on some committee or other and dozing (loudly) throughout. One of my teachers smiled and said, “See, democracy in action!”
Clearly, not much has changed.
June 19, 2012 at 3:56 PM #746110ParticipantThat comment of mine was actually tongue planted firmly in cheek.
So was mine 🙂
June 19, 2012 at 3:59 PM #746111Participant[quote=spdrun]
That comment of mine was actually tongue planted firmly in cheek.
So was mine :)[/quote]
I figured as much. Although, all things equal, the capitol for a proposed People’s Republic of California should ideally be sited in San Francisco.
June 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM #746126
svelteParticipantWe’re #1!
In the number of millionaires per state:
http://www.netstate.com/states/tables/state_millionaires_aires.htm
You guys can look at the glass half empty all you want…spitting out pieces of your broken luck…
June 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM #746128
CoronitaParticipant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=spdrun]
That comment of mine was actually tongue planted firmly in cheek.
So was mine :)[/quote]
I figured as much. Although, all things equal, the capitol for a proposed People’s Republic of California should ideally be sited in San Francisco.[/quote]
I don’t think NorCal would want to do anything with SoCal. If there’s any secession, it would be NorCal breaking away from the rest of CA…I think they wouldn’t mind leaving the “lazy, bump, fake booby, bimbo, shallow, BMW-galore,mexico border humping” SoCal to fend for itself… Not to mention it could make a pretty sum of money charging SoCal for water, considering NorCal actually gets rain, and we’re a desert down here…
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