Trump becoming presidential

[spdrun]

Warren used to be a Republican — she’s pretty pragmatic. I don’t get the US allergy to socializing things that are expensive as private services, like healthcare.

[Coronita]

There’s a big difference between adding more rules and I dare say some regulation to making mandatory things more accesible, such as medical…

And then there are things like “free this” make the “rich” pay more…The problem with the socialist nutjobs from the democrat party, is that they speak of lofty “free everything” as if it’s an unlimited check.

I can spend a lot too and be very generous when it’s someone else’s money.

A lot of you folks paying more taxes this year due to SALT caps are generously contributing to a lot of folks in middle america who aren’t as lucky as you to earn so much in blue states…It’s for a good cause.

[spdrun]

What difference does it make if you pay health insurance premiums or a slightly lower amount of tax on average for similar public coverage (since profit motive has been removed)? If anything, if most people were on the same public coverage, their choice of physicians would increase, since most doctors would have to accept the “default” coverage.

Someone else’s money? Plenty of money to be cut from bloated defense budgets, welfare to defense contractors, subsidies to rich countries that don’t need them (Israel, Saudi), and from the costs of running a predatory “justice” system that incarcerates almost 1% of adult residents of the US.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]

yes.. but I have a feeling pragmatism is going to get drowned out. I hope not… I think the democrats leaders have fallen off the rocker….look at who is the most vocal. Who is front page on CNN… Warren, Bernie, Harris, AOC.[/quote]

Isn’t democracy about giving people the policies they want? It could very well be what people want.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]
the costs of running a predatory “justice” system that incarcerates almost 1% of adult residents of the US.[/quote]

Now that I’m a “slumlord” I see that there’s a lot of scamming, drug addiction, bad behavior among shithole Americans. If you don’t put them in jail, out of sight, out of mind, then what do you do with them? I agree that we don’t take care of our own, so that kids don’t grow up to become criminals…. but it’s a multi generational commitment. In the mean time, we can’t open the prisons and let the petty scammers roam around.

Let me tell you a story…
my accidental friend is a landlord who owns a few condos. Because she’s weak and kind, she’s always a victim of rent scammers who don’t pay her. She has to go to court, etc… the cost of housing is going up so you see more of that happening.
Those scammers should be in jail plus some public caning like they would do in Singapore. There is a culture of insolence and scamming in America. We should ask ourselves why that is, if we’re so great.

[spdrun]

Incarceration costs approximately $50,000 per year per person. You can send them to Harvard for that price, or at least pay for some vocational training, psych treatment, and rehab (if applicable).

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]Incarceration costs approximately $50,000 per year per person. You can send them to Harvard for that price, or at least pay for some vocational training, psych treatment, and rehab (if applicable).[/quote]

No punishment for scamming? Who said deterrence is cheap. It’s like the military.

Maybe we should abolish the military as we know it and draft criminals into a fighting force.

[spdrun]

I didn’t say “no punishment”, just not “excessive punishment” followed by options for rehabilitation. Are you proposing a US Foreign Legion?

[FlyerInHi]

Foreign legion would be bad and lead to more wars. More like mandatory Civil Service where draftees live regimented lives in barracks.

About the scammers and deplorables…. I’m thinking that more socialism won’t appease them. Afterall, they are in France and Britain the same as they are here. So why not just say fuck it and let them fend for themselves.

I don’t know what the solutions are. But the USA is not that great. We have to ask ourselves why we have so many deplorables and criminals.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]
And it’s because of all these people in the spotlight representing the Democrat party , a lot of voters are going to vote the other way even if they don’t like Trump…or not vote at all.[/quote]

Here is the data that should disabuse anyone of the notion that Democrats caused Trump. No. Trump voters really like him and voted for him. They are responsible for him.

Those who are so hung up on personal responsibility should take responsibility for once.

No one who runs against Trump will have any realistic hope of defeating him. Polls consistently show 80 percent or more of Republicans approve of the job he is doing. That figure rises to 93 percent among people who voted for him, according to the most recent Economist-YouGov poll.
Trump also beats all of his potential challengers in head-to-head matchups, from margins ranging from 85-15 against Weld to a low of “only” 69-19 against Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah). No one who wants a serious future in GOP politics will undertake this kamikaze mission.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/26/gop-is-party-trump-not-reasons-anti-trump-conservatives-think/?noredirect=on

[The-Shoveler]

Then you must say the same thing about any voter for any candidate.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Then you must say the same thing about any voter for any candidate.[/quote]

Yes.

I hear a lot of stuff like “I’m repulsed by Trump but I voted for him as a poke in the eye of the liberal elites.” The truth is that Trump voters like Trump and identify with him.

I like Obama and can relate to his diverse background and family, his intellectual bend. his sporty demeanor, his knowledge of policy.

[The-Shoveler]

The 3 wars he helped start.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=The-Shoveler]The 3 wars he helped start.[/quote]

I call BS on that. The right wing are the ones who wanted to go out a kick ass. They started it all. We have the quagmire because of the badass cowboy attitudes.

I know a dude who enlisted right after Iraq war to go over there. Then he became disillusioned. He enabled the war and had a choice. Sorry, dude.

[The-Shoveler]

Who first funded the rebels in syria and the Saudi’s in Yemen

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