Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[jpinpb]

[quote=captcha]I agree with you that the bill does little to address the cost issue, which is the big one. I just don’t think that market forces alone would drive the cost down. [/quote]

I think the idea is if everyone pays into the system and has insurance, many who are healthy will not be using it, but still paying. I see loopholes all over the place. For starters, anyone here illegally is not required to buy insurance, but if they need medical care, will still go to E.R. Second, for some people who just can’t afford it, they may find it cheaper to pay a fine. Third, if EVERYONE got the insurance as planned, where is it written that the insurance price won’t go up anyway?

This will really be a first in history. I can see the headlines now: Private companies for profit make money and reduce price for the public. Film at 11.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb]For starters, anyone here illegally is not required to buy insurance, but if they need medical care, will still go to E.R. [/quote]

Not required? Or not allowed?

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb]For starters, anyone here illegally is not required to buy insurance, but if they need medical care, will still go to E.R. [/quote]

Not required? Or not allowed?

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb]For starters, anyone here illegally is not required to buy insurance, but if they need medical care, will still go to E.R. [/quote]

Not required? Or not allowed?

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb]For starters, anyone here illegally is not required to buy insurance, but if they need medical care, will still go to E.R. [/quote]

Not required? Or not allowed?

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb]For starters, anyone here illegally is not required to buy insurance, but if they need medical care, will still go to E.R. [/quote]

Not required? Or not allowed?

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

[jpinpb]

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required. That’s fine. I’ll use the appropriate word and my apologies for saying otherwise.

The point was that their thought was that the more people that buy insurance, the better, yet they exclude or not allow people to participate.

[jpinpb]

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required. That’s fine. I’ll use the appropriate word and my apologies for saying otherwise.

The point was that their thought was that the more people that buy insurance, the better, yet they exclude or not allow people to participate.

[jpinpb]

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required. That’s fine. I’ll use the appropriate word and my apologies for saying otherwise.

The point was that their thought was that the more people that buy insurance, the better, yet they exclude or not allow people to participate.

[jpinpb]

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required. That’s fine. I’ll use the appropriate word and my apologies for saying otherwise.

The point was that their thought was that the more people that buy insurance, the better, yet they exclude or not allow people to participate.

[jpinpb]

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required. That’s fine. I’ll use the appropriate word and my apologies for saying otherwise.

The point was that their thought was that the more people that buy insurance, the better, yet they exclude or not allow people to participate.

[ucodegen]

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

Weak statement.. the Republicans are already up at arms about the bill. Not explicitly blocking illegals from buying insurance despite their cost on the system will not change that..

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

Simple, and I said before. This bill is not about reducing costs.. it is about increasing insurance company profits by increasing the number of people paying in. It is an insurance company gimme.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

Actually it isn’t many of them have no intent of becoming naturalized (they are supporting the rest of their family back home and would not go to the US if they could get a paying job in Mexico). I would say unauthorized non-citizen, or unauthorized alien would be more accurate if you are trying to ‘slant’ the statement while trying to be accurate. They are in the country illegally though, so by being unauthorized, they are also here illegally..

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required.

Actually, what I saw had them explicitly banned from buying health insurance.

[ucodegen]

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

Weak statement.. the Republicans are already up at arms about the bill. Not explicitly blocking illegals from buying insurance despite their cost on the system will not change that..

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

Simple, and I said before. This bill is not about reducing costs.. it is about increasing insurance company profits by increasing the number of people paying in. It is an insurance company gimme.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

Actually it isn’t many of them have no intent of becoming naturalized (they are supporting the rest of their family back home and would not go to the US if they could get a paying job in Mexico). I would say unauthorized non-citizen, or unauthorized alien would be more accurate if you are trying to ‘slant’ the statement while trying to be accurate. They are in the country illegally though, so by being unauthorized, they are also here illegally..

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required.

Actually, what I saw had them explicitly banned from buying health insurance.

[ucodegen]

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

Weak statement.. the Republicans are already up at arms about the bill. Not explicitly blocking illegals from buying insurance despite their cost on the system will not change that..

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

Simple, and I said before. This bill is not about reducing costs.. it is about increasing insurance company profits by increasing the number of people paying in. It is an insurance company gimme.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

Actually it isn’t many of them have no intent of becoming naturalized (they are supporting the rest of their family back home and would not go to the US if they could get a paying job in Mexico). I would say unauthorized non-citizen, or unauthorized alien would be more accurate if you are trying to ‘slant’ the statement while trying to be accurate. They are in the country illegally though, so by being unauthorized, they are also here illegally..

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required.

Actually, what I saw had them explicitly banned from buying health insurance.

[ucodegen]

I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

Weak statement.. the Republicans are already up at arms about the bill. Not explicitly blocking illegals from buying insurance despite their cost on the system will not change that..

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

Simple, and I said before. This bill is not about reducing costs.. it is about increasing insurance company profits by increasing the number of people paying in. It is an insurance company gimme.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

Actually it isn’t many of them have no intent of becoming naturalized (they are supporting the rest of their family back home and would not go to the US if they could get a paying job in Mexico). I would say unauthorized non-citizen, or unauthorized alien would be more accurate if you are trying to ‘slant’ the statement while trying to be accurate. They are in the country illegally though, so by being unauthorized, they are also here illegally..

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required.

Actually, what I saw had them explicitly banned from buying health insurance.

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