Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[air_ogi]

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*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
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It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

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*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
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There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.

[Aecetia]

That should completely dumb down the doctors. That kind of pay is not worth going to med school for. I do not know what you live on, but that is not exactly high pay for CA. I think firefighters and the higher echelons of law enforcement easily make that much. I think physicians should be well paid. I would imagine that quite a few of the folks on Piggington make a least 150.

[Aecetia]

That should completely dumb down the doctors. That kind of pay is not worth going to med school for. I do not know what you live on, but that is not exactly high pay for CA. I think firefighters and the higher echelons of law enforcement easily make that much. I think physicians should be well paid. I would imagine that quite a few of the folks on Piggington make a least 150.

[Aecetia]

That should completely dumb down the doctors. That kind of pay is not worth going to med school for. I do not know what you live on, but that is not exactly high pay for CA. I think firefighters and the higher echelons of law enforcement easily make that much. I think physicians should be well paid. I would imagine that quite a few of the folks on Piggington make a least 150.

[Aecetia]

That should completely dumb down the doctors. That kind of pay is not worth going to med school for. I do not know what you live on, but that is not exactly high pay for CA. I think firefighters and the higher echelons of law enforcement easily make that much. I think physicians should be well paid. I would imagine that quite a few of the folks on Piggington make a least 150.

[Aecetia]

That should completely dumb down the doctors. That kind of pay is not worth going to med school for. I do not know what you live on, but that is not exactly high pay for CA. I think firefighters and the higher echelons of law enforcement easily make that much. I think physicians should be well paid. I would imagine that quite a few of the folks on Piggington make a least 150.

[Coronita]

[quote=Aecetia]By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”[/quote]

Funny you should mention this. My primary care physician says that he is no longer offering vaccines/flu shots/etc unless his patients pay out of pocket.

Last time I went get a typhoid/tenanus/etc.
He basically said that it costs him more to purchase the vaccines/shots/etc than insurance co’s are willing to reimburse him for them…So he tells me that I pay out of pocket and can go seek reimbursement from my own insurance co myself.

He also stopped taking new patients and physical exams are now scheduled 6 months out. Basically he use to give physicals to folks at the same time that they came in for regular checkups…Except insurance co’s didn’t like that and didn’t allow him to bill for the physical. He was eating the costs himself for awhile…

Looks like applying for Taiwanese citizenship and getting medical care overseas might be a reality moving forward 🙁

I was hoping this legislation would actually allow folks to “save” for medical expenses.

Slightly slanted question…
Also, now that everyone is expected to have medical insurance or pay a fine each year. So I guess this is somewhat good news for hospitals in dealing with uninsured folks, since to some extent folks now have medical coverage (I would asume)…However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care? Just curious. Does anyone else have data about the percentage of uninsured that would now be insurable versus the percentage of folks that these new changes don’t apply to?

[Coronita]

[quote=Aecetia]By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”[/quote]

Funny you should mention this. My primary care physician says that he is no longer offering vaccines/flu shots/etc unless his patients pay out of pocket.

Last time I went get a typhoid/tenanus/etc.
He basically said that it costs him more to purchase the vaccines/shots/etc than insurance co’s are willing to reimburse him for them…So he tells me that I pay out of pocket and can go seek reimbursement from my own insurance co myself.

He also stopped taking new patients and physical exams are now scheduled 6 months out. Basically he use to give physicals to folks at the same time that they came in for regular checkups…Except insurance co’s didn’t like that and didn’t allow him to bill for the physical. He was eating the costs himself for awhile…

Looks like applying for Taiwanese citizenship and getting medical care overseas might be a reality moving forward 🙁

I was hoping this legislation would actually allow folks to “save” for medical expenses.

Slightly slanted question…
Also, now that everyone is expected to have medical insurance or pay a fine each year. So I guess this is somewhat good news for hospitals in dealing with uninsured folks, since to some extent folks now have medical coverage (I would asume)…However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care? Just curious. Does anyone else have data about the percentage of uninsured that would now be insurable versus the percentage of folks that these new changes don’t apply to?

[Coronita]

[quote=Aecetia]By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”[/quote]

Funny you should mention this. My primary care physician says that he is no longer offering vaccines/flu shots/etc unless his patients pay out of pocket.

Last time I went get a typhoid/tenanus/etc.
He basically said that it costs him more to purchase the vaccines/shots/etc than insurance co’s are willing to reimburse him for them…So he tells me that I pay out of pocket and can go seek reimbursement from my own insurance co myself.

He also stopped taking new patients and physical exams are now scheduled 6 months out. Basically he use to give physicals to folks at the same time that they came in for regular checkups…Except insurance co’s didn’t like that and didn’t allow him to bill for the physical. He was eating the costs himself for awhile…

Looks like applying for Taiwanese citizenship and getting medical care overseas might be a reality moving forward 🙁

I was hoping this legislation would actually allow folks to “save” for medical expenses.

Slightly slanted question…
Also, now that everyone is expected to have medical insurance or pay a fine each year. So I guess this is somewhat good news for hospitals in dealing with uninsured folks, since to some extent folks now have medical coverage (I would asume)…However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care? Just curious. Does anyone else have data about the percentage of uninsured that would now be insurable versus the percentage of folks that these new changes don’t apply to?

[Coronita]

[quote=Aecetia]By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”[/quote]

Funny you should mention this. My primary care physician says that he is no longer offering vaccines/flu shots/etc unless his patients pay out of pocket.

Last time I went get a typhoid/tenanus/etc.
He basically said that it costs him more to purchase the vaccines/shots/etc than insurance co’s are willing to reimburse him for them…So he tells me that I pay out of pocket and can go seek reimbursement from my own insurance co myself.

He also stopped taking new patients and physical exams are now scheduled 6 months out. Basically he use to give physicals to folks at the same time that they came in for regular checkups…Except insurance co’s didn’t like that and didn’t allow him to bill for the physical. He was eating the costs himself for awhile…

Looks like applying for Taiwanese citizenship and getting medical care overseas might be a reality moving forward 🙁

I was hoping this legislation would actually allow folks to “save” for medical expenses.

Slightly slanted question…
Also, now that everyone is expected to have medical insurance or pay a fine each year. So I guess this is somewhat good news for hospitals in dealing with uninsured folks, since to some extent folks now have medical coverage (I would asume)…However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care? Just curious. Does anyone else have data about the percentage of uninsured that would now be insurable versus the percentage of folks that these new changes don’t apply to?

[Coronita]

[quote=Aecetia]By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”[/quote]

Funny you should mention this. My primary care physician says that he is no longer offering vaccines/flu shots/etc unless his patients pay out of pocket.

Last time I went get a typhoid/tenanus/etc.
He basically said that it costs him more to purchase the vaccines/shots/etc than insurance co’s are willing to reimburse him for them…So he tells me that I pay out of pocket and can go seek reimbursement from my own insurance co myself.

He also stopped taking new patients and physical exams are now scheduled 6 months out. Basically he use to give physicals to folks at the same time that they came in for regular checkups…Except insurance co’s didn’t like that and didn’t allow him to bill for the physical. He was eating the costs himself for awhile…

Looks like applying for Taiwanese citizenship and getting medical care overseas might be a reality moving forward 🙁

I was hoping this legislation would actually allow folks to “save” for medical expenses.

Slightly slanted question…
Also, now that everyone is expected to have medical insurance or pay a fine each year. So I guess this is somewhat good news for hospitals in dealing with uninsured folks, since to some extent folks now have medical coverage (I would asume)…However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care? Just curious. Does anyone else have data about the percentage of uninsured that would now be insurable versus the percentage of folks that these new changes don’t apply to?

[SK in CV]

Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.

[SK in CV]

Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.

[SK in CV]

Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.

[SK in CV]

Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.

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