The middle class is doomed…

[Coronita]

…then again we could get hit with a asteroid from outer space, and then it won’t matter anymore….

[Coronita]

Thinking about all the possible doomsday scenario and running around like chickens with heads cutoff probably isn’t gonna get people really far…One only has control of the present.

If problems happen, deal with it then.

Bush Junior proved preemptive strikes don’t work.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=flu][quote=no_such_reality][quote=flu]
Bring it .[/quote]

I’m curious, have you seen Shipping Wars?

I see software development going to same way. Time, distance, location, all will basically be immaterial.

Just 200 Million people doing clever language tricks scrapping for a gig.[/quote]

Well, gee, I hope i’m not doing software for the rest of my life. But for a few years longer I think I can do probably write, market, and sell apps, maybe not cool games like the fart app or the flashlight app for $0.99…Maybe corporate solutions…

Then again, maybe I can continue to work on internals…Maybe I can work on payment tech. Or self aware apps. Automotive apps, security apps, media apps…

Not like any of these things are gonna get solved in the near future…[/quote]

Someones got to program all these Robots devices.

Software type Engineards are probably good for another generation maybe more IMO.

It is surprising tough to get someone from China or India to get on a remote session at 11:00 AM in the morning here to solve a problem.

I guess they can’t just jump in their BMW and head to the office at midnight,

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=flu][quote=no_such_reality][quote=flu]
Bring it .[/quote]

I’m curious, have you seen Shipping Wars?

I see software development going to same way. Time, distance, location, all will basically be immaterial.

Just 200 Million people doing clever language tricks scrapping for a gig.[/quote]

Well, gee, I hope i’m not doing software for the rest of my life. But for a few years longer I think I can do probably write, market, and sell apps, maybe not cool games like the fart app or the flashlight app for $0.99…Maybe corporate solutions…

Then again, maybe I can continue to work on internals…Maybe I can work on payment tech. Or self aware apps. Automotive apps, security apps, media apps…

Not like any of these things are gonna get solved in the near future…[/quote]

Someones got to program all these Robots devices.

Software type Engineards are probably good for another generation maybe more IMO.

It is surprising tough to get someone from China or India to get on a remote session at 11:00 AM in the morning here to solve a problem.[/quote]

Then there’s people who think they can design systems and then there’s actual people who can… You can eliminate all the script kiddies, which is the majority of the people that get lumped into “software development”.

[no_such_reality]

You’ve got ten years. 🙂

I myself am going for version 2.5 of Professional NSR, it’s life expectancy is roughly 5 years. Then I need to do a version upgrade, 3.0…

[Coronita]

[quote=no_such_reality]You’ve got ten years. 🙂

I myself am going for version 2.5 of Professional NSR, it’s life expectancy is roughly 5 years. Then I need to do a version upgrade, 3.0…[/quote]

Cool 10 years before the asteroid crashes into the earth 🙂

Time to go back to the porsche dealer.

[an]

[quote=no_such_reality]You’ve got ten years. 🙂

I myself am going for version 2.5 of Professional NSR, it’s life expectancy is roughly 5 years. Then I need to do a version upgrade, 3.0…[/quote]
Only 3.0? I think I’m on version 7.0 right now.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=flu][quote=The-Shoveler][quote=flu][quote=no_such_reality][quote=flu]
Bring it .[/quote]

I’m curious, have you seen Shipping Wars?

I see software development going to same way. Time, distance, location, all will basically be immaterial.

Just 200 Million people doing clever language tricks scrapping for a gig.[/quote]

Well, gee, I hope i’m not doing software for the rest of my life. But for a few years longer I think I can do probably write, market, and sell apps, maybe not cool games like the fart app or the flashlight app for $0.99…Maybe corporate solutions…

Then again, maybe I can continue to work on internals…Maybe I can work on payment tech. Or self aware apps. Automotive apps, security apps, media apps…

Not like any of these things are gonna get solved in the near future…[/quote]

Someones got to program all these Robots devices.

Software type Engineards are probably good for another generation maybe more IMO.

It is surprising tough to get someone from China or India to get on a remote session at 11:00 AM in the morning here to solve a problem.[/quote]

Then there’s people who think they can design systems and then there’s actual people who can… You can eliminate all the script kiddies, which is the majority of the people that get lumped into “software development”.[/quote]

Have you been to San Jose lately ?
Just kidding.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=AN][quote=no_such_reality]You’ve got ten years. 🙂

I myself am going for version 2.5 of Professional NSR, it’s life expectancy is roughly 5 years. Then I need to do a version upgrade, 3.0…[/quote]
Only 3.0? I think I’m on version 7.0 right now.[/quote]

V1.0 Electro-optic Enginerd
V2.X Info-Tech EngiNerd/Management (probably more than .5)
V3.X ???

Something like company 9 job 21. Gen-X we get all those grand working conditions…

[an]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=AN][quote=no_such_reality]You’ve got ten years. 🙂

I myself am going for version 2.5 of Professional NSR, it’s life expectancy is roughly 5 years. Then I need to do a version upgrade, 3.0…[/quote]
Only 3.0? I think I’m on version 7.0 right now.[/quote]

V1.0 Electro-optic Enginerd
V2.X Info-Tech EngiNerd/Management (probably more than .5)
V3.X ???

Something like company 9 job 21. Gen-X we get all those grand working conditions…[/quote]
Ah, that’s who you defined your version. In that case, I’m still at V1.x for over 10 years. I’m pretty sure I’m still at v1.x 5 years from now. Beyond that, who knows.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=no_such_reality][quote=AN][quote=no_such_reality]You’ve got ten years. 🙂

I myself am going for version 2.5 of Professional NSR, it’s life expectancy is roughly 5 years. Then I need to do a version upgrade, 3.0…[/quote]
Only 3.0? I think I’m on version 7.0 right now.[/quote]

V1.0 Electro-optic Enginerd
V2.X Info-Tech EngiNerd/Management (probably more than .5)
V3.X ???

Something like company 9 job 21. Gen-X we get all those grand working conditions…[/quote]
Ah, that’s who you defined your version. In that case, I’m still at V1.x for over 10 years. I’m pretty sure I’m still at v1.x 5 years from now. Beyond that, who knows.[/quote]

I prefer

B.S. Bull shxt.

M.S. More shxt.

P.H.D. Piled higher and deeper.

[Coronita]

But I’m at V9.1.3 beta

V( company#, #of times rejoined, #number of years)

I’m actually pretty proud of myself. I’ve never had a version longer than x.x.3 before. Typically it’s x.x.2 or less for me.

[an]

[quote=flu]But I’m at V9.1.3 beta

V( company#, #of times rejoined, #number of years)

I’m actually pretty proud of myself. I’ve never had a version longer than x.x.3 before. Typically it’s x.x.2 or less for me.[/quote]
Under this scheme, I’m at V5.1.2 beta. Hopefully I’ll stay at v5.1 for a long time 🙂

[flyer]

Interesting thread.

I agree that some will survive financially, and others won’t, and I think the path we’re heading down is irreversible. Sad for future generations.

I also agree that it seems some who have chosen certain fields seem, in general, to be doing better than others in today’s competitive climate, but we all know people, even in those “golden” fields who have had job failures, health issues, etc., etc. that have ruined their lives, so nothing is ever a certainty.

Living an all encompassing, satisfyingly long life with millions (or whatever your “number” is) stashed is a bigger challenge than many realize. Just look at the stats, if you don’t believe me.
As I always say, make your bets, and take your chances.

[CA renter]

[quote=livinincali][quote=CA renter]
You keep referring to people who are not “like you” as lazy. Has it ever occurred to you that they might be harder-working, and even smarter than you? Some of the hardest workers are often the poorest, and I can show you many, many people with Ph.D.’s (even with your much-loved STEM degrees) who don’t even make $100K after decades on the job as a successful and proven employee.
[/quote]

You don’t get wealth from working hard. You get wealth from working smart and some degree of luck. The innovators are the ones that figure out smarter way to do a task. Whether changing the process or using a machine to replace manual labor.

Business at it’s core is problem solving. Find a problem and create a efficient solution for it. Our education system should focus on problem solving, but often that takes a back seat to feel good topics. Not that feel good topics are bad, they just don’t do much to create economic growth.[/quote]

Yes, I addressed the “smart” part, above, and agree that problem-solving is key. Still, if you look at a list of the wealthiest individuals, you’ll see that very few of them are true problem solvers. Many of them inherited their wealth/privilege/position in society (luck), many inherited intelligence/good-looks/athletic ability (luck), and many were in the right place at the right time (the biggest factor in deciding who wins and who loses…again, luck). Overall, I’d say that luck has far more to do with success than whether or not one is working hard or smart. There are many, many very intelligent people out there who did all the right things and were very smart about it, but who failed nonetheless because the timing was wrong or some unexpected, exogenous variable entered the picture (health, divorce, death of a partner or key player, political or economic dislocations, “acts of God,” etc.) at the worst possible time. While one can always try to insure against such calamities, it will often cause massive failure, anyway.

Too many people seem to think that they are 100% responsible for their success, not acknowledging the role of pure luck (where, when, into which circumstances, and to whom one was born, etc.), team members and other integral players, a functioning infrastructure (usually not noticed at all until something goes terribly wrong), and good timing. There is so much more to success than working hard or even working smart, and I think it would be wise for those who are constantly dislocating their shoulders with all the self-congratulatory back-patting to learn some humility before their pride and ego get them into trouble. Nobody is invincible, no matter how many hours they spent on their homework assignments in college, nor how smart they are (think of all the people with I.Q. scores in the top 1% — lots and lots and lots of them), nor how adaptable they think they are to coming changes…which may well be very different from what they seem to be expecting.

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