The cult of professional specialists

[sdrealtor]

[quote=njtosd][quote=sdrealtor] It wont work because most people dont actually buy from the agents they work with. They would spend alot of money for nothing.[/quote]

You make my point for me. An hourly arrangement would be more likely to eliminate economic waste. Ideally, we would prefer people to do most of their investigation on their own, and pay agents/attorneys only for the hours absolutely necessary. In the present system, there is a lot of “fat” in some transactions, which is not good for the economy as a whole.

For example, the buyer who we are under contract with has seen many many homes and has driven his agent crazy. If that same buyer could have been persuaded to have thought things out (or looked online, or whatever) ahead of time, their agent could have spent her time with someone else, potentially resulting in one or more additional sales.[/quote]

Agreed but people dont work or think that way when buying homes. The system evolved because of the way people buy homes not the other way around. What sounds reasonable in a laboratory wont work on the streets.

[njtosd]

The system evolved when the balance of real estate information greatly favored the agents. With the new availability of information on the internet, I think the system will adjust to reflect the current reality. Whether it’s strip mall brokerages or something else, I think the system will be significantly different in 15 years.

[njtosd]

The system evolved when the balance of real estate information greatly favored the agents. With the new availability of information on the internet, I think the system will adjust to reflect the current reality. Whether it’s strip mall brokerages or something else, I think the system will be significantly different in 15 years.

[njtosd]

The system evolved when the balance of real estate information greatly favored the agents. With the new availability of information on the internet, I think the system will adjust to reflect the current reality. Whether it’s strip mall brokerages or something else, I think the system will be significantly different in 15 years.

[njtosd]

The system evolved when the balance of real estate information greatly favored the agents. With the new availability of information on the internet, I think the system will adjust to reflect the current reality. Whether it’s strip mall brokerages or something else, I think the system will be significantly different in 15 years.

[njtosd]

The system evolved when the balance of real estate information greatly favored the agents. With the new availability of information on the internet, I think the system will adjust to reflect the current reality. Whether it’s strip mall brokerages or something else, I think the system will be significantly different in 15 years.

[drboom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

(snip)

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]

OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.

To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.

It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.

It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.

Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.

[drboom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

(snip)

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]

OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.

To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.

It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.

It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.

Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.

[drboom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

(snip)

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]

OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.

To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.

It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.

It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.

Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.

[drboom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

(snip)

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]

OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.

To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.

It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.

It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.

Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.

[drboom]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

(snip)

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]

OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.

To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.

It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.

It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.

Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.

[bearishgurl]

drboom, I am gratified to hear you were able to settle all of your “skirmishes” yourself and thus avoid litigation. This is certainly preferred but not everyone can. In addition, many adults are educationally and linguistically challenged and are unable to resolve their problems which often become further exacerbated with time.

Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb!

[bearishgurl]

drboom, I am gratified to hear you were able to settle all of your “skirmishes” yourself and thus avoid litigation. This is certainly preferred but not everyone can. In addition, many adults are educationally and linguistically challenged and are unable to resolve their problems which often become further exacerbated with time.

Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb!

[bearishgurl]

drboom, I am gratified to hear you were able to settle all of your “skirmishes” yourself and thus avoid litigation. This is certainly preferred but not everyone can. In addition, many adults are educationally and linguistically challenged and are unable to resolve their problems which often become further exacerbated with time.

Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb!

[bearishgurl]

drboom, I am gratified to hear you were able to settle all of your “skirmishes” yourself and thus avoid litigation. This is certainly preferred but not everyone can. In addition, many adults are educationally and linguistically challenged and are unable to resolve their problems which often become further exacerbated with time.

Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb!

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