The cult of professional specialists

[njtosd]

[quote=sdrealtor] It wont work because most people dont actually buy from the agents they work with. They would spend alot of money for nothing.[/quote]

You make my point for me. An hourly arrangement would be more likely to eliminate economic waste. Ideally, we would prefer people to do most of their investigation on their own, and pay agents/attorneys only for the hours absolutely necessary. In the present system, there is a lot of “fat” in some transactions, which is not good for the economy as a whole.

For example, the buyer who we are under contract with has seen many many homes and has driven his agent crazy. If that same buyer could have been persuaded to have thought things out (or looked online, or whatever) ahead of time, their agent could have spent her time with someone else, potentially resulting in one or more additional sales.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

A lot of people DO TRY to represent themselves when they are sued or have a legal issue, to avoid attorney fees. I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. Very often, I will later hear that they got in there and everything happened so quickly it went right over their heads. They leave with their head spinning and call me from the courthouse with jumbled incoherent babble. I tell them to wait for a minute order and we often later have to order the transcript to figure out exactly what went on. Some pro pers tell me they actually “froze up” in there and couldn’t say anything when it was their turn.

Judges are used to pro pers and try to make the hearing understandable for them but often have 60+ cases on their calendar to wade thru in one day.

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

A lot of people DO TRY to represent themselves when they are sued or have a legal issue, to avoid attorney fees. I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. Very often, I will later hear that they got in there and everything happened so quickly it went right over their heads. They leave with their head spinning and call me from the courthouse with jumbled incoherent babble. I tell them to wait for a minute order and we often later have to order the transcript to figure out exactly what went on. Some pro pers tell me they actually “froze up” in there and couldn’t say anything when it was their turn.

Judges are used to pro pers and try to make the hearing understandable for them but often have 60+ cases on their calendar to wade thru in one day.

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

A lot of people DO TRY to represent themselves when they are sued or have a legal issue, to avoid attorney fees. I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. Very often, I will later hear that they got in there and everything happened so quickly it went right over their heads. They leave with their head spinning and call me from the courthouse with jumbled incoherent babble. I tell them to wait for a minute order and we often later have to order the transcript to figure out exactly what went on. Some pro pers tell me they actually “froze up” in there and couldn’t say anything when it was their turn.

Judges are used to pro pers and try to make the hearing understandable for them but often have 60+ cases on their calendar to wade thru in one day.

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

A lot of people DO TRY to represent themselves when they are sued or have a legal issue, to avoid attorney fees. I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. Very often, I will later hear that they got in there and everything happened so quickly it went right over their heads. They leave with their head spinning and call me from the courthouse with jumbled incoherent babble. I tell them to wait for a minute order and we often later have to order the transcript to figure out exactly what went on. Some pro pers tell me they actually “froze up” in there and couldn’t say anything when it was their turn.

Judges are used to pro pers and try to make the hearing understandable for them but often have 60+ cases on their calendar to wade thru in one day.

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]

In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.

A lot of people DO TRY to represent themselves when they are sued or have a legal issue, to avoid attorney fees. I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. Very often, I will later hear that they got in there and everything happened so quickly it went right over their heads. They leave with their head spinning and call me from the courthouse with jumbled incoherent babble. I tell them to wait for a minute order and we often later have to order the transcript to figure out exactly what went on. Some pro pers tell me they actually “froze up” in there and couldn’t say anything when it was their turn.

Judges are used to pro pers and try to make the hearing understandable for them but often have 60+ cases on their calendar to wade thru in one day.

drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!

Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.

[njtosd]

[quote=sdrealtor]… The infamous Irvine Family amassed much of thier land holding by sending out thugs to beat and/or kill landowners. Admittedly it is an extreme example but that is the way things used to be done for those who wish a return to the past.

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Joining together our discussion of NJ and thuggery, I have another anecdote. Recently, I was looking at comp sales near our home. Almost all seemed pretty reasonable, except one that seemed to have sold for a very low price (approx. $300,000 less than expected). From what I could see, the owner was a single woman. It appears (from newspaper articles that I was able to find) that the purchaser had significant ties to the mob. My guess is that the owner was put under some duress to sell low, or to receive a portion of the purchase price under the table.

I don’t see how the present system would do anything to discourage or encourage such results. It does make me want to stick with the buyer that we have, though. Never know who’s going to come through the door next. . .

[njtosd]

[quote=sdrealtor]… The infamous Irvine Family amassed much of thier land holding by sending out thugs to beat and/or kill landowners. Admittedly it is an extreme example but that is the way things used to be done for those who wish a return to the past.

…
[/quote]

Joining together our discussion of NJ and thuggery, I have another anecdote. Recently, I was looking at comp sales near our home. Almost all seemed pretty reasonable, except one that seemed to have sold for a very low price (approx. $300,000 less than expected). From what I could see, the owner was a single woman. It appears (from newspaper articles that I was able to find) that the purchaser had significant ties to the mob. My guess is that the owner was put under some duress to sell low, or to receive a portion of the purchase price under the table.

I don’t see how the present system would do anything to discourage or encourage such results. It does make me want to stick with the buyer that we have, though. Never know who’s going to come through the door next. . .

[njtosd]

[quote=sdrealtor]… The infamous Irvine Family amassed much of thier land holding by sending out thugs to beat and/or kill landowners. Admittedly it is an extreme example but that is the way things used to be done for those who wish a return to the past.

…
[/quote]

Joining together our discussion of NJ and thuggery, I have another anecdote. Recently, I was looking at comp sales near our home. Almost all seemed pretty reasonable, except one that seemed to have sold for a very low price (approx. $300,000 less than expected). From what I could see, the owner was a single woman. It appears (from newspaper articles that I was able to find) that the purchaser had significant ties to the mob. My guess is that the owner was put under some duress to sell low, or to receive a portion of the purchase price under the table.

I don’t see how the present system would do anything to discourage or encourage such results. It does make me want to stick with the buyer that we have, though. Never know who’s going to come through the door next. . .

[njtosd]

[quote=sdrealtor]… The infamous Irvine Family amassed much of thier land holding by sending out thugs to beat and/or kill landowners. Admittedly it is an extreme example but that is the way things used to be done for those who wish a return to the past.

…
[/quote]

Joining together our discussion of NJ and thuggery, I have another anecdote. Recently, I was looking at comp sales near our home. Almost all seemed pretty reasonable, except one that seemed to have sold for a very low price (approx. $300,000 less than expected). From what I could see, the owner was a single woman. It appears (from newspaper articles that I was able to find) that the purchaser had significant ties to the mob. My guess is that the owner was put under some duress to sell low, or to receive a portion of the purchase price under the table.

I don’t see how the present system would do anything to discourage or encourage such results. It does make me want to stick with the buyer that we have, though. Never know who’s going to come through the door next. . .

[njtosd]

[quote=sdrealtor]… The infamous Irvine Family amassed much of thier land holding by sending out thugs to beat and/or kill landowners. Admittedly it is an extreme example but that is the way things used to be done for those who wish a return to the past.

…
[/quote]

Joining together our discussion of NJ and thuggery, I have another anecdote. Recently, I was looking at comp sales near our home. Almost all seemed pretty reasonable, except one that seemed to have sold for a very low price (approx. $300,000 less than expected). From what I could see, the owner was a single woman. It appears (from newspaper articles that I was able to find) that the purchaser had significant ties to the mob. My guess is that the owner was put under some duress to sell low, or to receive a portion of the purchase price under the table.

I don’t see how the present system would do anything to discourage or encourage such results. It does make me want to stick with the buyer that we have, though. Never know who’s going to come through the door next. . .

[njtosd]

[quote=bearishgurl] I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. [/quote]

Bearishgurl – just curious, and I apologize if you’ve explained this before, but are you an attorney?

[njtosd]

[quote=bearishgurl] I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. [/quote]

Bearishgurl – just curious, and I apologize if you’ve explained this before, but are you an attorney?

[njtosd]

[quote=bearishgurl] I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. [/quote]

Bearishgurl – just curious, and I apologize if you’ve explained this before, but are you an attorney?

[njtosd]

[quote=bearishgurl] I’ve prepared court forms and papers for a LOT of “pro pers” and charged them “piecework” fees but I can’t legally advise them, I can’t spoon-feed them, I can’t represent them and I can’t hold their hand. [/quote]

Bearishgurl – just curious, and I apologize if you’ve explained this before, but are you an attorney?

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