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April 23, 2011 at 8:35 AM #689905April 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM #688742
bearishgurl
ParticipantI’m not a Republican but the two speakers on the video were very intelligent and eloquent and it is clear that they care deeply about their City. The City is still young, has a population of only 100,000 and we don’t know if there have been any longstanding complaints about the subcontractors of CHM2Hill
Notice that they DID NOT contract out public safety services but instead did not put them in a “defined benefit plan.” HOWEVER, I understood from the video that they allowed them to have the entire premiums that would have been spent on they and their families’ health coverage deposited in an HSA at their option. Many companies and public entities across the nation will do this, but the amount they will deposit in an employees’ HSA is only a small portion of the actual premium the employee will forego ONLY if they are already covered by another family member.
IMO, this is a HUGE benefit to have the choice to spend your entire “tax free” health-care allotment any way you choose, i.e. chiropractic, holistic health, vision, OTC remedies, high-cost dental procedures and other treatments that insurance won’t cover anyway.
GA is a “Right to Work” state and therefore does not have mandatory collective bargaining provisions for public employees written into their legislation.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
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Right-to-Work States|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=247]OTOH, CA DOES…in SPADES. I don’t believe this degree of outsourcing can be pulled off here unless there is a mass decimation and repeal of a whole host of laws on the books. And it will be a cold day in h@ll when/if that should happen.
April 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM #688806ParticipantI’m not a Republican but the two speakers on the video were very intelligent and eloquent and it is clear that they care deeply about their City. The City is still young, has a population of only 100,000 and we don’t know if there have been any longstanding complaints about the subcontractors of CHM2Hill
Notice that they DID NOT contract out public safety services but instead did not put them in a “defined benefit plan.” HOWEVER, I understood from the video that they allowed them to have the entire premiums that would have been spent on they and their families’ health coverage deposited in an HSA at their option. Many companies and public entities across the nation will do this, but the amount they will deposit in an employees’ HSA is only a small portion of the actual premium the employee will forego ONLY if they are already covered by another family member.
IMO, this is a HUGE benefit to have the choice to spend your entire “tax free” health-care allotment any way you choose, i.e. chiropractic, holistic health, vision, OTC remedies, high-cost dental procedures and other treatments that insurance won’t cover anyway.
GA is a “Right to Work” state and therefore does not have mandatory collective bargaining provisions for public employees written into their legislation.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
[img_assist|nid=14884|title=
Right-to-Work States|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=247]OTOH, CA DOES…in SPADES. I don’t believe this degree of outsourcing can be pulled off here unless there is a mass decimation and repeal of a whole host of laws on the books. And it will be a cold day in h@ll when/if that should happen.
April 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM #689422ParticipantI’m not a Republican but the two speakers on the video were very intelligent and eloquent and it is clear that they care deeply about their City. The City is still young, has a population of only 100,000 and we don’t know if there have been any longstanding complaints about the subcontractors of CHM2Hill
Notice that they DID NOT contract out public safety services but instead did not put them in a “defined benefit plan.” HOWEVER, I understood from the video that they allowed them to have the entire premiums that would have been spent on they and their families’ health coverage deposited in an HSA at their option. Many companies and public entities across the nation will do this, but the amount they will deposit in an employees’ HSA is only a small portion of the actual premium the employee will forego ONLY if they are already covered by another family member.
IMO, this is a HUGE benefit to have the choice to spend your entire “tax free” health-care allotment any way you choose, i.e. chiropractic, holistic health, vision, OTC remedies, high-cost dental procedures and other treatments that insurance won’t cover anyway.
GA is a “Right to Work” state and therefore does not have mandatory collective bargaining provisions for public employees written into their legislation.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
[img_assist|nid=14884|title=
Right-to-Work States|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=247]OTOH, CA DOES…in SPADES. I don’t believe this degree of outsourcing can be pulled off here unless there is a mass decimation and repeal of a whole host of laws on the books. And it will be a cold day in h@ll when/if that should happen.
April 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM #689565ParticipantI’m not a Republican but the two speakers on the video were very intelligent and eloquent and it is clear that they care deeply about their City. The City is still young, has a population of only 100,000 and we don’t know if there have been any longstanding complaints about the subcontractors of CHM2Hill
Notice that they DID NOT contract out public safety services but instead did not put them in a “defined benefit plan.” HOWEVER, I understood from the video that they allowed them to have the entire premiums that would have been spent on they and their families’ health coverage deposited in an HSA at their option. Many companies and public entities across the nation will do this, but the amount they will deposit in an employees’ HSA is only a small portion of the actual premium the employee will forego ONLY if they are already covered by another family member.
IMO, this is a HUGE benefit to have the choice to spend your entire “tax free” health-care allotment any way you choose, i.e. chiropractic, holistic health, vision, OTC remedies, high-cost dental procedures and other treatments that insurance won’t cover anyway.
GA is a “Right to Work” state and therefore does not have mandatory collective bargaining provisions for public employees written into their legislation.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
[img_assist|nid=14884|title=
Right-to-Work States|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=247]OTOH, CA DOES…in SPADES. I don’t believe this degree of outsourcing can be pulled off here unless there is a mass decimation and repeal of a whole host of laws on the books. And it will be a cold day in h@ll when/if that should happen.
April 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM #689915ParticipantI’m not a Republican but the two speakers on the video were very intelligent and eloquent and it is clear that they care deeply about their City. The City is still young, has a population of only 100,000 and we don’t know if there have been any longstanding complaints about the subcontractors of CHM2Hill
Notice that they DID NOT contract out public safety services but instead did not put them in a “defined benefit plan.” HOWEVER, I understood from the video that they allowed them to have the entire premiums that would have been spent on they and their families’ health coverage deposited in an HSA at their option. Many companies and public entities across the nation will do this, but the amount they will deposit in an employees’ HSA is only a small portion of the actual premium the employee will forego ONLY if they are already covered by another family member.
IMO, this is a HUGE benefit to have the choice to spend your entire “tax free” health-care allotment any way you choose, i.e. chiropractic, holistic health, vision, OTC remedies, high-cost dental procedures and other treatments that insurance won’t cover anyway.
GA is a “Right to Work” state and therefore does not have mandatory collective bargaining provisions for public employees written into their legislation.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
[img_assist|nid=14884|title=
Right-to-Work States|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=247]OTOH, CA DOES…in SPADES. I don’t believe this degree of outsourcing can be pulled off here unless there is a mass decimation and repeal of a whole host of laws on the books. And it will be a cold day in h@ll when/if that should happen.
April 23, 2011 at 2:03 PM #688747Eugene
Participant[quote]The fact that this solution is tenable and has worked drives the pro big government and pro union people nuts.[/quote]
Sure, this solution is tenable and works, when you have median family income of $129,810.
But does it really end up cheaper than the usual way? Everyone loves to hate unions, but nobody hates private companies … because private companies keep things private, and most people don’t know about fat stock bonuses and seven-figure golden parachutes for high ranking executives.
The article says that they pay $25 million a year to that company. Mission Viejo is a good match: similar size, similar income, similar poverty level. Their latest city budget spends $14.4M/year on “Infrastructure Maintenance”, $7.6/year on “Recreation/Community/Library”, and $2.8M/year on “Engineering & Transportation”. We’d have to look closer at what two cities get for that money, but it’s far from obvious that Sandy Springs saved any money by going private.
April 23, 2011 at 2:03 PM #688811Participant[quote]The fact that this solution is tenable and has worked drives the pro big government and pro union people nuts.[/quote]
Sure, this solution is tenable and works, when you have median family income of $129,810.
But does it really end up cheaper than the usual way? Everyone loves to hate unions, but nobody hates private companies … because private companies keep things private, and most people don’t know about fat stock bonuses and seven-figure golden parachutes for high ranking executives.
The article says that they pay $25 million a year to that company. Mission Viejo is a good match: similar size, similar income, similar poverty level. Their latest city budget spends $14.4M/year on “Infrastructure Maintenance”, $7.6/year on “Recreation/Community/Library”, and $2.8M/year on “Engineering & Transportation”. We’d have to look closer at what two cities get for that money, but it’s far from obvious that Sandy Springs saved any money by going private.
April 23, 2011 at 2:03 PM #689427Participant[quote]The fact that this solution is tenable and has worked drives the pro big government and pro union people nuts.[/quote]
Sure, this solution is tenable and works, when you have median family income of $129,810.
But does it really end up cheaper than the usual way? Everyone loves to hate unions, but nobody hates private companies … because private companies keep things private, and most people don’t know about fat stock bonuses and seven-figure golden parachutes for high ranking executives.
The article says that they pay $25 million a year to that company. Mission Viejo is a good match: similar size, similar income, similar poverty level. Their latest city budget spends $14.4M/year on “Infrastructure Maintenance”, $7.6/year on “Recreation/Community/Library”, and $2.8M/year on “Engineering & Transportation”. We’d have to look closer at what two cities get for that money, but it’s far from obvious that Sandy Springs saved any money by going private.
April 23, 2011 at 2:03 PM #689570Participant[quote]The fact that this solution is tenable and has worked drives the pro big government and pro union people nuts.[/quote]
Sure, this solution is tenable and works, when you have median family income of $129,810.
But does it really end up cheaper than the usual way? Everyone loves to hate unions, but nobody hates private companies … because private companies keep things private, and most people don’t know about fat stock bonuses and seven-figure golden parachutes for high ranking executives.
The article says that they pay $25 million a year to that company. Mission Viejo is a good match: similar size, similar income, similar poverty level. Their latest city budget spends $14.4M/year on “Infrastructure Maintenance”, $7.6/year on “Recreation/Community/Library”, and $2.8M/year on “Engineering & Transportation”. We’d have to look closer at what two cities get for that money, but it’s far from obvious that Sandy Springs saved any money by going private.
April 23, 2011 at 2:03 PM #689920Participant[quote]The fact that this solution is tenable and has worked drives the pro big government and pro union people nuts.[/quote]
Sure, this solution is tenable and works, when you have median family income of $129,810.
But does it really end up cheaper than the usual way? Everyone loves to hate unions, but nobody hates private companies … because private companies keep things private, and most people don’t know about fat stock bonuses and seven-figure golden parachutes for high ranking executives.
The article says that they pay $25 million a year to that company. Mission Viejo is a good match: similar size, similar income, similar poverty level. Their latest city budget spends $14.4M/year on “Infrastructure Maintenance”, $7.6/year on “Recreation/Community/Library”, and $2.8M/year on “Engineering & Transportation”. We’d have to look closer at what two cities get for that money, but it’s far from obvious that Sandy Springs saved any money by going private.
April 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM #688757Ricechex
ParticipantPrivatizing does not save money. As a government worker, I used to work for the government in government run facility. That agency was absorbed by the contract agency, who was a contract for the federal government for 10 years.
What the business did was hire low end employees for a buck, and keep positions open for years. It was fixed contract, so by not filling positions, guess who gets to keep the money?
SO, the government wised up to this, and changed the next 5 year contract to a time/materials contract. Essentially, now it is a body shop. He gets paid for every body that is working.
Remarkably, now there are NEVER any empty billets. The government expanded the number of billets, and I can guarantee you, I have seen MORE people DOING NOTHING at all. They fabricate numbers and there is this huge push for metrics, metrics, metrics. If we don’t get metrics, the contractors may have to get laid off! (But not for 2 years when the contract ends…)
They expanded programs that used to have 1 person, are now 5 people and a supervisor. So, now there are 6 people doing nothing.
It is absolutely corrupt, disgusting and I some days horrified that I work in it.
April 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM #688821ParticipantPrivatizing does not save money. As a government worker, I used to work for the government in government run facility. That agency was absorbed by the contract agency, who was a contract for the federal government for 10 years.
What the business did was hire low end employees for a buck, and keep positions open for years. It was fixed contract, so by not filling positions, guess who gets to keep the money?
SO, the government wised up to this, and changed the next 5 year contract to a time/materials contract. Essentially, now it is a body shop. He gets paid for every body that is working.
Remarkably, now there are NEVER any empty billets. The government expanded the number of billets, and I can guarantee you, I have seen MORE people DOING NOTHING at all. They fabricate numbers and there is this huge push for metrics, metrics, metrics. If we don’t get metrics, the contractors may have to get laid off! (But not for 2 years when the contract ends…)
They expanded programs that used to have 1 person, are now 5 people and a supervisor. So, now there are 6 people doing nothing.
It is absolutely corrupt, disgusting and I some days horrified that I work in it.
April 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM #689437ParticipantPrivatizing does not save money. As a government worker, I used to work for the government in government run facility. That agency was absorbed by the contract agency, who was a contract for the federal government for 10 years.
What the business did was hire low end employees for a buck, and keep positions open for years. It was fixed contract, so by not filling positions, guess who gets to keep the money?
SO, the government wised up to this, and changed the next 5 year contract to a time/materials contract. Essentially, now it is a body shop. He gets paid for every body that is working.
Remarkably, now there are NEVER any empty billets. The government expanded the number of billets, and I can guarantee you, I have seen MORE people DOING NOTHING at all. They fabricate numbers and there is this huge push for metrics, metrics, metrics. If we don’t get metrics, the contractors may have to get laid off! (But not for 2 years when the contract ends…)
They expanded programs that used to have 1 person, are now 5 people and a supervisor. So, now there are 6 people doing nothing.
It is absolutely corrupt, disgusting and I some days horrified that I work in it.
April 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM #689580ParticipantPrivatizing does not save money. As a government worker, I used to work for the government in government run facility. That agency was absorbed by the contract agency, who was a contract for the federal government for 10 years.
What the business did was hire low end employees for a buck, and keep positions open for years. It was fixed contract, so by not filling positions, guess who gets to keep the money?
SO, the government wised up to this, and changed the next 5 year contract to a time/materials contract. Essentially, now it is a body shop. He gets paid for every body that is working.
Remarkably, now there are NEVER any empty billets. The government expanded the number of billets, and I can guarantee you, I have seen MORE people DOING NOTHING at all. They fabricate numbers and there is this huge push for metrics, metrics, metrics. If we don’t get metrics, the contractors may have to get laid off! (But not for 2 years when the contract ends…)
They expanded programs that used to have 1 person, are now 5 people and a supervisor. So, now there are 6 people doing nothing.
It is absolutely corrupt, disgusting and I some days horrified that I work in it.
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