Surreal State of the State Speech

[Coronita]

[quote=Djshakes][quote=flu][quote=zk][quote=Brutus]Here’s how to find the problem with California’s budget: Wait until the state goes completely broke, beyond the level where the Gummint can bail Cali out. When the riots begin, the people doing the rioting will be the ones that caused the problem (plus their political pals — who can easily be voted out).

Now that I’ve identified the problem, it’s up to you natives to do something about it such as: jail every rioter with US citizenship and deport everyone without US citizenship. Problem solved!!!!

And by the way, California WILL eventually go broke and I will do my best to encourage Pols NOT to bail California out. Or New York. Or any other state including my own.

When California was a Conservative state it didn’t have these problems much, but now it’s a state full of Bleeding-heart, left-wing lunatics, leftovers from the hippy days who have taken over and are driving the state into the poor house.

Here’s an idea: TAX wealthy Hollywood filmmakers, producers, and actors at 90%!!!! Start with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Spielberg, Lucas, et al.[/quote]

Allright, Brutus, I’ll give you the same challenge I gave faterikcartman.

What would you do, exactly, Brutus, to fix the budget?

Here’s a little something to get you started:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/budget/

I have a prediction, Brutus. You’ll either ignore this, like faterikcartman did. Or you’ll rant and rave about lefty this and lefty that. But you won’t have any real, constructive ideas.

Prove me wrong, Brutus, if you can.[/quote]

Hey… I balanced the budget!… Here’s my take..

1. Welfare: Cut in half ($1.05 billion savings)

2. In home services: Cut in half ($600 million savings)

3. Cut funding for Cal state school in half ($1.25billion savings).. especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers.

4. Close 1/2 of community colleges ($2.0billion savings). Especially funding to programs that don’t lead to meaningful jobs/careers/advance degrees of such

5. Cut COPS program by 1/2 ($50 million savings)

6. Cut prison rehab program completely ($250 million savings)

7. Cut state payroll ($1 billion savings)

8. Cut legislature budget ($130 million savings)

9. Add $2 sales tax to cigarettes ($2billion income)

10. Add a 18 cent booze tax ($2.5 billion income)

I ended up with a $234 million surplus.[/quote]

I’m all for the cutting. Not a fan of the taxing. That is how they divide and conquer. Let’s say you have three groups, smokers, drinkers and vegans. Government comes in and says they want votes to tax the smokers because it is unhealthy. Drinkers and vegans, say “Yes, screw the smokers” and vote for the tax. Next the government comes in and wants to tax drinkers because that is also unhealthy. Vegans and smokers say “yes”. Next the government comes in and wants to tax the vegans because they have far too much money from health care cost savings and it needs to be spread around to help the drinkers and smokers. Drinkers and smokers vote “yes” because someone else is now flipping the bill. Now everyone is taxed and it will never go away. Beware of the slippery slop.[/quote]

Taxing imho isn’t the real solution. CA needs to spend less. period…And even the two areas of I’m thinking where taxes need to be raised are for consumption anyway.
I was considering adding additional taxes to gasoline, BUT, I have a feeling that would hurt business since everyone depends on fuel directly or indirectly.

[zk]

[quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?

[zk]

[quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?

[zk]

[quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?

[zk]

[quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?

[zk]

[quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?

[UCGal]

[quote=no_such_reality]The answer is simple. It’s the same as when a major corporation has major cash flow programs.

They just slash the budget across the board. The directive is to maintain their service levels but they reduce staff 20%, reduce the budget 20% and let the departments figure it out.

For example, only 57 cents of every dollar is spent in the class room. Cut 20 cents and direct the districts to maintain the previous classroom spending.

THe problem is so big, specific cuts won’t do it.

Then again, maybe we just direct the Prison sysem to figure out why then spend over $50,000 per inmate and the national average is $24,000 per inmate and State’s like Texas are under $20,000.[/quote]

Except at a corporation the folks at the top would then award themselves big bonuses for being so effective at making the cuts. The board of directors would agree – and up their own compensation while they’re at it. In the meantime 15-20% of the former employees are out of jobs and those remaining have more work and less budget to work with.

Call me cynical. I don’t think the corporate model is a good one.

[UCGal]

[quote=no_such_reality]The answer is simple. It’s the same as when a major corporation has major cash flow programs.

They just slash the budget across the board. The directive is to maintain their service levels but they reduce staff 20%, reduce the budget 20% and let the departments figure it out.

For example, only 57 cents of every dollar is spent in the class room. Cut 20 cents and direct the districts to maintain the previous classroom spending.

THe problem is so big, specific cuts won’t do it.

Then again, maybe we just direct the Prison sysem to figure out why then spend over $50,000 per inmate and the national average is $24,000 per inmate and State’s like Texas are under $20,000.[/quote]

Except at a corporation the folks at the top would then award themselves big bonuses for being so effective at making the cuts. The board of directors would agree – and up their own compensation while they’re at it. In the meantime 15-20% of the former employees are out of jobs and those remaining have more work and less budget to work with.

Call me cynical. I don’t think the corporate model is a good one.

[UCGal]

[quote=no_such_reality]The answer is simple. It’s the same as when a major corporation has major cash flow programs.

They just slash the budget across the board. The directive is to maintain their service levels but they reduce staff 20%, reduce the budget 20% and let the departments figure it out.

For example, only 57 cents of every dollar is spent in the class room. Cut 20 cents and direct the districts to maintain the previous classroom spending.

THe problem is so big, specific cuts won’t do it.

Then again, maybe we just direct the Prison sysem to figure out why then spend over $50,000 per inmate and the national average is $24,000 per inmate and State’s like Texas are under $20,000.[/quote]

Except at a corporation the folks at the top would then award themselves big bonuses for being so effective at making the cuts. The board of directors would agree – and up their own compensation while they’re at it. In the meantime 15-20% of the former employees are out of jobs and those remaining have more work and less budget to work with.

Call me cynical. I don’t think the corporate model is a good one.

[UCGal]

[quote=no_such_reality]The answer is simple. It’s the same as when a major corporation has major cash flow programs.

They just slash the budget across the board. The directive is to maintain their service levels but they reduce staff 20%, reduce the budget 20% and let the departments figure it out.

For example, only 57 cents of every dollar is spent in the class room. Cut 20 cents and direct the districts to maintain the previous classroom spending.

THe problem is so big, specific cuts won’t do it.

Then again, maybe we just direct the Prison sysem to figure out why then spend over $50,000 per inmate and the national average is $24,000 per inmate and State’s like Texas are under $20,000.[/quote]

Except at a corporation the folks at the top would then award themselves big bonuses for being so effective at making the cuts. The board of directors would agree – and up their own compensation while they’re at it. In the meantime 15-20% of the former employees are out of jobs and those remaining have more work and less budget to work with.

Call me cynical. I don’t think the corporate model is a good one.

[UCGal]

[quote=no_such_reality]The answer is simple. It’s the same as when a major corporation has major cash flow programs.

They just slash the budget across the board. The directive is to maintain their service levels but they reduce staff 20%, reduce the budget 20% and let the departments figure it out.

For example, only 57 cents of every dollar is spent in the class room. Cut 20 cents and direct the districts to maintain the previous classroom spending.

THe problem is so big, specific cuts won’t do it.

Then again, maybe we just direct the Prison sysem to figure out why then spend over $50,000 per inmate and the national average is $24,000 per inmate and State’s like Texas are under $20,000.[/quote]

Except at a corporation the folks at the top would then award themselves big bonuses for being so effective at making the cuts. The board of directors would agree – and up their own compensation while they’re at it. In the meantime 15-20% of the former employees are out of jobs and those remaining have more work and less budget to work with.

Call me cynical. I don’t think the corporate model is a good one.

[Djshakes]

[quote=zk][quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?[/quote]

Let me rant once and a while damn it. It makes me feel manly. I’ll kiss and make up with you in a bit…sexy.

[Djshakes]

[quote=zk][quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?[/quote]

Let me rant once and a while damn it. It makes me feel manly. I’ll kiss and make up with you in a bit…sexy.

[Djshakes]

[quote=zk][quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?[/quote]

Let me rant once and a while damn it. It makes me feel manly. I’ll kiss and make up with you in a bit…sexy.

[Djshakes]

[quote=zk][quote=Djshakes]I love it. Lefties run the state into the hole and then when criticized bark “why don’t you tell us how to fix it then, huh” as if it is our problem. They will never admit “yeah…our policies f’d stuff up”.

I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem you have got us into over the years. You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question. I applaud your bailout mentality and unwillingness to accept responsibility though. However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation……live with it. The state can burn for all I care. Maybe others would wake up. I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb. [/quote]

[quote=Djshakes]Lefties run the state into the hole…[/quote]

You assume I’m a “lefty.” You’re wrong.

[quote=Djshakes]and then when criticized…[/quote]

I wasn’t criticized by anyone, but if there’s something you’d like to say, I’m listening.

[quote=Djshakes]…bark…[/quote]

I’m not barking, I’m trying, quite unsuccessfully (except for flu), to get an exchange of ideas started.

[quote=Djshakes]…as if it is our problem.[/quote]

If you live in California, it is your problem.

[quote=Djshakes]They will never admit ‘yeah…our policies f’d stuff up’. [/quote]

That I agree with. Except you left something out. It’s not just the left. Neither side will step up and say that. The right blames the state of the economy on Obama, when it was Bush and the Republican congress who (in large part) destroyed it. Both sides are incapable of accepting blame.

At this point, however, blame is irrelevant. There’s a huge problem that needs to be fixed.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m sorry that people can’t come up with a quick response as to how to fix this colossal problem…[/quote]

My point is if they have no ideas on how to fix it, they shouldn’t be blaming our first fiscally responsible governor in decades for actually trying to do something that will actually fix the budget problem. Bitch, bitch, bitch, but no ideas. Lame.

[quote=Djshakes]…you have got us into over the years.[/quote]

Who’s “you”?

[quote=Djshakes]You have dug the hole so deep with limited options out it is pretty much a trick question.[/quote]

A trick question? Really? So are you saying we’ve given Jerry Brown a trick question and there’s nothing he can do?

[quote=Djshakes]I applaud your bailout mentality…[/quote]

My what!? Anyone can see that you made that up out of thin air. You should avoid doing such things if you want any credibility.

[quote=Djshakes]However, years of liberal policies and government have gotten us into this situation…[/quote]

I think that’s mostly true. I also think fiscal irresponsibility is rampant on both sides of the aisle.

[quote=Djshakes]…live with it[/quote]

Why would I do that? Why would I not want to see it fixed?

[quote=Djshakes]The state can burn for all I care.[/quote]

I’d guess that you don’t mean that, in which case I can’t see why you’d say it. (If you do mean it, then you desperately need professional psychiatric care).

[quote=Djshakes]Maybe others would wake up.[/quote]

Doubtful.

[quote=Djshakes]I’m willing to have it be a sacrificial lamb.[/quote]

Why?[/quote]

Let me rant once and a while damn it. It makes me feel manly. I’ll kiss and make up with you in a bit…sexy.

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