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November 16, 2006 at 4:53 PM #40159November 16, 2006 at 5:19 PM #40161
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Guestdz, American blood is too precious to go save the world. Cuba is no military threat to us; no need to invade/blockade.
North Korea has missles and nukes, and, potentially, an interest in sending them our way (or, more likely, selling them to Iran, to distribute to Al Qaeda or Hezbollah). But, diplomacy (with the stick of economic sanctions) can work, if we can get the South Koreans and Chinese to play along.
Lots of generals disagree with Presidents; big deal. Remember that guy, MacArthur, and how Truman had to deal with him? Do you think Truman mismanaged Korea? How many generals did Lincoln have to fire before he got Grant? Did you think Lincoln mismananaged the Civil War?
Unanimity? No disagreement? Never will happen, dz. The military has lots of bright folks, and there are lots of differences of opinion (600 ship Navy vs. 300 ship Navy, etc.). That’s why we use majorities, supermajorities, and executives (to decide, after input) in government and business.
Abizaid has his opinion; Tommy Franks had his. Tommy Franks kicked a**, and did in weeks what the Brits and Russians spent years trying to do, and failed, then repeated the trick in Iraq. Astounding, it was.
November 16, 2006 at 5:34 PM #40163GuestInvading a country with virtually no military is not a great accomplishment, nor is it a true demonstration of our military might. In 2003, Iraq had no Air Force or air defenses to speak of.
November 16, 2006 at 5:34 PM #40164GuestInvading a country with virtually no military is not a great accomplishment, nor is it a true demonstration of our military might. In 2003, Iraq had no Air Force or air defenses to speak of.
November 16, 2006 at 6:27 PM #40168L_Thek_onomics
Participant“Invading a country with virtually no military is not a great accomplishment”
War, invasion of countries, other military actions are not part of a silly
pissing contest. They’re serious moves by grown adults. There is a long
list of American military successes, very short list of failures. History is
not the past three or five years. Wait and see how history will judge
George Bush’s vision for the Arab world. His vision, spreading
democracy, needs to be played out. Deadzone and others, do you really
want to loose the war? Are you anxious to see a couple of million dead
Iraqis? Do you have high hopes about the success of Iran’s nuclear
program? You guys, really want to see the destruction of Israel? If you
think, the situation was not serious enough before the invasion of Iraq,
wait and see how serious it can become. It can reach the point, when
the only solution is to nuke the whole Arab world. (After seeing a dozen
nukes destroying vital cities and several million innocent people of the western world.) Are you leftists are insane?L. Thek
November 16, 2006 at 7:08 PM #40169Guestdeadzone – On what authority do you speak of military matters? Is it lost on you that the massive Soviet military lost over 15,000 men trying to do what we accomplished in 3 months in Afghanistan? And to speak of the Iraqi military as some piss ant force is even more ignorant. Our military accomplishments during the invasion were nothing short of spectacular by any measure, and if you talk to the troops you will quickly discover that they weren’t fighting with kid gloves. Moreover, consider what the troops thought they were in for during the first and second Gulf Wars. Tens of thousands of American losses were projected during the first war, and nothing short of a chemical and biological nightmare was assured during the most recent invasion.
November 16, 2006 at 8:19 PM #40171GuestGreat points, L_T and juice.
dz, read the Medal of Honor citation for Sgt. Paul Smith:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohiraq.htm
No Iraqi Air Force involved, but it was a determined group of fighters that he faced, fought, and protected fellow soldiers from. May Sgt. Smith rest in peace.
There are lots of stories like this from this war.
Hey, the housing market's still up; it may never come down. Hey, we haven't killed all of the Islamo-Fascists; maybe we can't win this war.
Wrong on both counts.
November 16, 2006 at 8:55 PM #40175GuestJust like the Soviets in Afghanistan, we are unprepared and unequipped to fight a guerrila war. It doesn’t matter how you try to spin it, justify it, or rationalize it, it is a dead end.
We are not leveraging any of our tactical or strategic advantages in this goatrope.
November 16, 2006 at 10:20 PM #40178Guestso what is it you want dz? you want us to pull out and run?and stop the invasion rhetoric even most liberals acknowledged we liberated Iraq until things stalled and they saw a chance to release their BSD. Is that how you live your life and support what is important to you, when things don’t go according to plan or get tough you pick up your toys and go home? Do you have any concept of the genocide that took place in s.e. asia after that politically expedient retreat took place? Do you care? You’re correct and we aren’t using our forces in a effective manner, how can we? The politicians are running the war not the professionals. Not to mention the undue influence of public opinion. Let me ask you, what is our type of government?
November 16, 2006 at 10:59 PM #40180bgates
Participantdz, the statement “why don’t you go over there and shed some of your own blood” is in no way figurative, and I have no interest trying to communicate with someone dishonest enough to claim that it is.
November 17, 2006 at 11:34 AM #40197bubba99
ParticipantWhat I haven’t seen in this thread surprises me. No mention of N. Korea, and Iran and the bomb. While we have had all of our attention and resources in Iraq and Afghanistan, N. Korea has developed the bomb. IAEC has found Plutonium and Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) in an Iran dump site. This means they probably have a heavy water reactor that can develop a couple of bombs per year and our Intel groups completely missed it. Next year they are adding 3000 centrifuges which can add another 2 or 3 bombs per year. Who do you think they will use them on?
Not Israel because they want Palestine back for the Palestinians – that leave us. It is a small leap from the fission bomb to a Thermo-nuclear bomb with un-imaginable devastation.
Back in 1956 the US tested a device with the “Apache” design. It was a 3-part bomb expected to yield 700 kilotons of energy. The actual yield was 1.85 megatons. I mention this bomb because in 1956 it was cutting edge, and one of the first to overcome the need for liquid hydrogen to create the fusion process with very stable 6LiDeterorid. The first bomb was 40 feet long and 10 feet wide, the Apache was small enough to fit in a car trunk 3 ft x 6 ft. This was all very secret 50 years ago, and now the techniques are “well known” anyone could build this bomb if they had access to Plutonium or HEU. 1.85 megatons are enough to crater the greater San Diego area. Make no mistake they are coming, and we are not prepared. One device can destroy everyone and everything we hold dear.
This group of supposed hawks has been asleep at the helm, while our real threats have moved fifty years ahead in nuclear technology.
November 17, 2006 at 12:27 PM #40201GuestExactly right bubba. And in addition to N. Korea, what is the US response going to be when China finally decides to take Taiwan back (after the Olympics are over)?
This Iraq nonsense is a total diversion from the real war on Al Queda and the real threats to our security. Some people on this board just can’t see the forrest for the trees. Instead of using sensible rationale, they prefer to simplify everything to the extent that anybody who disagrees with Bush is just a crazy liberal who hates America.
November 17, 2006 at 4:02 PM #40218Participant“And in addition to N. Korea, what is the US response going to be when China finally decides to take Taiwan back (after the Olympics are over)?”
Ask Jack Murtha, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi
and Barbara Boxer. I’m sure they know better…L Thek
November 17, 2006 at 4:15 PM #40219GuestIt doesn’t matter who is in charge at this point, our Army is so overburdened in Iraq we don’t have the ability to respond to any major crisis.
November 17, 2006 at 4:32 PM #40220Participant“It doesn’t matter who is in charge at this point, our Army is so overburdened in Iraq we don’t have the ability to respond to any major crisis.”
Did you know? We have a few more airplanes, ships, missiles, even a few nukes… just in case.
Instead of being a great military mind, I let the adults handle all
the military affairs.L Thek
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