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November 13, 2006 at 3:15 PM #39890November 13, 2006 at 3:18 PM #39892PDParticipant
I do prefer that you don’t spout your anti-Bush and anti-America hate. I think it crass it competely devoid of respect for our country. You like to paint yourself as the defender of the high road when you are no such thing.
As for free speech, you have the right to be hateful and I have the right to tell you take it somewhere else.
November 13, 2006 at 3:29 PM #39893santeemanParticipantI sir serve my country for a living. He(President Bush) is stupid.
November 13, 2006 at 5:37 PM #39897L_Thek_onomicsParticipantHitler and Stalin kaput. Castro and Saddam soon to be kaput. The
people of Iraq, Iran and even Saudi Arabia deserves freedom and
liberty. Those jackass Germans, who writes like this, doesn’t. They
should “practice” for decades what they fellow East Germans
“enjoyed” during communism. There is no difference between the
German and American leftist elite… They’re all full of it. To side with
this level of hatred of America is not only stupid, but smells treasonous.
Don’t spin this leftist crap, hating America is NOT Patriotic, period.L Thek
November 13, 2006 at 6:00 PM #39899L_Thek_onomicsParticipant“I sir serve my country for a living. He(President Bush) is stupid”
Thanks for serving our country, we disagree.
L Thek
November 13, 2006 at 7:11 PM #39902AnonymousGuestPerhaps we should say that he is intellectually uncurious. To draw a parallel to the housing bubble, there are some of us who engage in intellectual discussions about the bubble, are driven to understand how it all works, and are constantly processing information and engaging the world around us. And then there are the rest of us who decided long ago that housing prices will never go down, that there can be no bubble, and even in the face of mounting evidence refuse to deviate from our original ideas.
We elected a President who can make small talk about Texas weather and football with the best of them, but who likely does not enjoy watching The History Channel or spending too much time debating the historical role of religion in America or the historical reasons for Christian/Muslim tensions. Most people I have met in my life have a similar orientation, and that is likely how he got elected. It also happens to be his achilles heel. Presidents should be masters of intellectual curiosity and firm in their convictions that are borne of arduous debate and re-examination. A president should be able to masterfully understand and even argue all sides of an issue, and in the end illustrate why their beliefs and actions are valid.
November 13, 2006 at 7:19 PM #39904santeemanParticipantAND complete a sentence without stuttering, stumbling, and mispronouncing words(or looking for his daddy).
November 13, 2006 at 8:14 PM #39905qcomerParticipantPD and L_Thek,
Let’s not put words in the mouth of others here. Nobody said here that they hate “America”. You seem to equate hating/criticising American foreign policy or White house or American president with America. In reality, you neo-cons probably hated President Clinton even more and trust me I have heard Republicans talking all kind of bad stuff about Clinton during his time. So suddenly, don’t pretend that you freakin care about “American president”, you only care about Bush because he is a REPUBLICAN NEO-CON president. So stop the rubbish comments of equating the political views of an American to treason. Each and every American has the right to criticise/question/hate American policies, American politicians, American govt.Is anyone else also fedup of the extremist liberals and extremist neo-cons, constantly bickering & fighting in this country (one calling Bush a terrrorist and other calling him/her traitor for that)?? So much energy and time is wasted in frivolous debates that aren’t objective but personal. Get off your high horses and start from basics, make your congressman/senator/governor/president EARN your vote. If you do that basic stuff right, things will sort out on the big scale as well. End of rant !!
November 13, 2006 at 8:20 PM #39906technovelistParticipantPS,
You are completely correct on all counts, of course. It never ceases to amaze me that some people can’t distinguish between the United States (the country) and the government, including the President. I guess this proves the efficacy of the brainwashing done by the “publik skools” and other instruments of social control. Anyone who can think for him or herself can easily distinguish these two without effort, and see that one can love one’s country and loathe its government. In fact, these days, if you love this country, that isn’t just possible: it’s inescapable.
November 13, 2006 at 9:00 PM #39909powaysellerParticipantPD, Why do you hate me for bringing up these opinions?
A terrorist is anyone who kills masses of innocent civilians. History is full of them, and we always thought we were better, but are we? Today’s terrorist list includes Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Bush (and his military leaders). If we had finished the job in Afghanistan, and stayed out of Iraq, we wouldn’t even have this conversation.
November 13, 2006 at 9:16 PM #39912L_Thek_onomicsParticipant“Today’s terrorist list includes Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Bush (and his military leaders).”
Nice, you must have some serious moral misalignment in your
confused mind. Are you sure, you wanted to share this great
opinion piece with the members of this forum? I think you
owe an explanation to the rational segment of society.L Thek
November 13, 2006 at 9:41 PM #39913AnonymousGuestPowayseller, your comments are rude and disrespectful. In the future, save us the headache, and confine such to your website.
Oh, and congratulations on doing a great job of attracting potential subscribers to your future website, too.
The Lancet is a leftist medical journal, as is JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association): every other paper or article is on AIDS, breast cancer, case for nationalized medicine/lack of access, racial disparities in care, etc. The Lancet is inferior to the even-keeled The New England Journal of Medicine and The British Medical Journal. The Lancet and JAMA are, indeed, prestigious, for the same reasons that the NY and LA Times are: for work done long ago, and for adherence to leftist groupthink. I know these things because I read these journals for many years as part of my job.
Maybe you should consider a return to your native land, either permanently or, at least, until your anger passes and your sanity returns.
November 13, 2006 at 10:51 PM #39914surveyorParticipantPowayseller:
Here is an article for your perusal that states that the Lancet was wildly exaggerating the 100k civilian deaths.
How Lancet Cooked Up the Numbers
Some interesting quotes from the article:
” The recent survey, published in the British medical journal, “The Lancet,” claiming over 650,000 civilian deaths due to the liberation of Iraq, was quickly labeled propaganda, not science. Is the survey accurate? The answer is, apparently not. The survey is widely out of sync with casualty counts by other organizations, and by a wide margin. A 2004 study by the same authors claimed 100,000 civilian casualties – a survey at odds with one done by the United Nations at the same time (which estimated 18,000 to 29,000 deaths). To compare this with other studies – the group Iraq Body Count only claims 49,000 civilian deaths, the Brookings Institution reports 62,000, and the Los Angeles Times has reported 50,000 civilian deaths since the liberation of Iraq.”
So Powayseller, if you are using disreputable sources and not doing your due diligence before making genocidal and terrorist accusations, aren’t you LYING? I mean, the information is out there by a simple google search. Are you being arrogant by only looking at data that favors your point of view? Maybe you are so blinded by your anger and hatred that you can ignore the other evidence that does not fit your world view?
I am not being accusatory or making allegations towards your person, but I just thought you would like to know how the shoe feels on the other foot.
November 13, 2006 at 11:01 PM #39915surveyorParticipantHere’s another detailed analysis of the Lancet numbers:
Iraqi death reports merely propaganda
Some notable quotes:
“Consider just this: Because the sample size was so small, the range for deaths was wider than Mick Jagger’s mouth: 8,000 to 194,000. So Roberts and company just split the difference. They said the tiny sample size was necessary because the interviewers were in constant danger. No doubt they meant being caught in the crosshairs of an F-16, rather than any possible threat from those jolly terrorists who routinely kidnap civilians and slowly saw off their heads.
Further, the researchers didn’t feel bound by anything official like death certificates. Interviews were fine. “In the Iraqi culture it was unlikely for respondents to fabricate deaths,” they wrote.”
“Even anti-war and anti-American groups and individuals have indicated the Lancet figure is outlandish. “These numbers seem to be inflated,” due “to overcounting,” Marc Garlasco, of Human Rights Watch told the Washington Post. The website http://www.iraqbodycount.com estimates about 14,000-16,000 deaths since the war began. The Evil One himself, bin Laden, in his pre-election video, made reference to the Iraq war and stated “over 15,000 of our people have been killed.””
November 13, 2006 at 11:52 PM #39917AnonymousGuestPatriotic? Are all people who criticise the President or government unpatriotic? Or even worse do they necessarily hate America? That is what may of you have implied on this board.
The only thing I hate about America it is the stupidity of these types of people, who would dare question someones patriotism or love of country simply because they are critical of the government.
I’m sure these same idiots were whining along with Rush Limbaugh every day that Clinton was in office. I guess they all hated America too.
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