Ron Paul Wins Alaska and Washington State + Several State GOP Chairman Positions

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But, wait. We never touched on cosmetic surgery …

[mike92104]

I think a lot of people confuse libertarianism (belief in minimal government) with anarchism (belief in no government). There is a big difference between regulations and the micro management BS we have now.

[mike92104]

[quote=harvey]I’m not denying a I said the quote above. I do believe that the constitution unambiguously gives the federal government the power tell people what they can and cannot buy. There is freedom of speech and religion, etc. but there is no freedom to “buy and sell anything you want” guaranteed by the constitution. And I’m totally ok with that because I think it does far more good than harm.

I’m pretty sure most Americans would agree with me on this one and that is why Ron Paul’s popularity will always be limited.

Anyway, I’ve spent a little too much time on this! Thanks for the chat.

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You’re right in a way, but the constitution reserved that power to the states.

[mike92104]

Duplicate post sorry.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=markmax33]
Absolutely not true. The Constitution could be amended at any time. The problem is there is no exit plan once they get into a business. I don’t care how it was written into the law there is a way to legally change it.

Is it okay for tax payer to lose billions because it was written into law 200+ years ago? No…this is the problem with Ron Paul detractors, they disregard common sense and the rule of law.[/quote]

MM33, it sounds like you believe that we should be pragmatists and evaluate the purposes and consequences of laws, and change them if necessary. Am I correct?[/quote]

Yes, as long as *we* does not include *you*.

[markmax33]

[quote=briansd1][quote=markmax33][quote=harvey]for markmax:

the post office is in the constitution, so I don’t know how anyone could say it is not the business of the government, especially Ron Paul who likes to use the constitution as the basis for a lot of claims. Government didn’t take over the post office, they started it (Ben Franklin, actually.) This is another example of the Ron Paul folks not understanding history, which concerns me.[/quote]

Absolutely not true. The Constitution could be amended at any time. The problem is there is no exit plan once they get into a business. I don’t care how it was written into the law there is a way to legally change it.

Is it okay for tax payer to lose billions because it was written into law 200+ years ago? No…this is the problem with Ron Paul detractors, they disregard common sense and the rule of law.[/quote]

MM33, it sounds like you believe that we should be pragmatists and evaluate the purposes and consequences of laws, and change them if necessary. Am I correct?[/quote]

Yes you are correct. There is a legal way to change our laws. I’m saying we should stick to them – 100% of the time and never allow people to cheat the system. If you don’t follow the rules set up, it’s really just anarchy anyway. Usually anarchy from a small group of powerful individuals.

[Anonymous]

[quote=mike92104]I think a lot of people confuse libertarianism (belief in minimal government) with anarchism (belief in no government). There is a big difference between regulations and the micro management BS we have now.[/quote]

I understand the point but have never really seen it quantified. So we save money and increase efficiency by cutting regulation. Which specific regulations?

The implication is that there are huge areas of regulation that can be abandoned for big savings but I never hear more than isolated anecdotes and specific situations.

Where’s the beef? (I’m lovin’ this meat theme…)

Wholesale elimination of entire agencies is not the answer – as you said we still need regulations. And most of these agencies that we hear about scrapping, like the EPA, don’t even cost that much – and they absolutely provide some benefits, so the loss of these benefits must be addressed also.

In other words, I hear a lot of rhetoric but never see an actual plan with real numbers. It’s easy to come with examples of “crazy” government situations, but has anybody quantified the problem and the solutions?

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