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May 2, 2012 at 2:20 PM #742703May 2, 2012 at 2:36 PM #742705
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Guest[quote=SK in CV]They might be excellent points, if they were all actually true. But Captain Hyperbole has struck again.[/quote]
Yeah, most of them aren’t true, or at best partially true.
(and no mm33, I’m not going to bother countering them point by point)
Fringe is abandoning all consumer and environmental protections and allowing everything to resolved in the markets and courts.
Because when the tainted meat kills your family, you can just just switch grocery stores and sue the company to reconcile the loss.
May 2, 2012 at 2:48 PM #742710markmax33
Guest[quote=pri_dk][quote=SK in CV]They might be excellent points, if they were all actually true. But Captain Hyperbole has struck again.[/quote]
Yeah, most of them aren’t true, or at best partially true.
(and no mm33, I’m not going to bother countering them point by point)
Fringe is abandoning all consumer and environmental protections and allowing everything to resolved in the markets and courts.
Because when the tainted meat kills your family, you can just just switch grocery stores and sue the company to reconcile the loss.[/quote]
Too bad that’s not how the system would play out. Some private solution for checking meat quality would emerge that would be far superior to the FDA. CNET is a valued tool for electronics and cell phones and something would set itself up for the meat industry.
Currently there all sorts of private industry solutions to certifying meat in other ways. There are organic organizations that certify famers processes, etc that people rely on.
Fringe is not considering private industry or individuals smart enough to make informed decisions for themselves. People are not to stupid to protect themselves. This isn’t the 1800s anymore. The internet streamlines that process significantly. Heck I can scan a package of meat with my IPhone and collect a mountain of information on it already.
May 2, 2012 at 3:02 PM #742712SK in CV
Participant[quote=markmax33] Heck I can scan a package of meat with my IPhone and collect a mountain of information on it already.[/quote]
I just scanned my burger from costco. Siri responded with “why do people ask me that?” I think she misunderstood the question. Is my burger safe to eat?
P.S. My burger was wearing a bun, a slice of cheese, mustard, and slice of tomato.
May 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM #742714ocrenter
Participant[quote=markmax33]
Don’t complain about a Caucus process established in another state, move there and vote to change it if it is important instead of compalining about it. I wouldn’t expect Californians to know anyway..[/quote]
that’s not my point.
the point is the only way Dr. Paul is even getting anywhere is to take advantage of the archaic caucus process that is essentially undemocratic. you know this is true. now I frankly have no problem with this since Mitt is also armed with bags of money from SuperPACs.
just don’t even try to justify this with your righteousness and about how people that disagree are ignorant.
May 2, 2012 at 4:01 PM #742719bearishgurl
Participant[quote=ocrenter] . . . the point is the only way Dr. Paul is even getting anywhere is to take advantage of the archaic caucus process that is essentially undemocratic. you know this is true. now I frankly have no problem with this since Mitt is also armed with bags of money from SuperPACs . . . [/quote]
All is fair in love and politics :=]
May 2, 2012 at 4:01 PM #742718Guest[quote=markmax33]CNET is a valued tool for electronics and cell phones and something would set itself up for the meat industry.[/quote]
So now I’ve got to read a list of user reviews every time I want to buy a pack hot dogs?
Gee, this one guy gave it four stars, but this other guy only gave it one because his wife got e-coli…
[quote]This isn’t the 1800s anymore.[/quote]
No, but Ron Paul sure is trying to take us back there!
May 2, 2012 at 9:23 PM #742736mike92104
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=markmax33]
[quote]This isn’t the 1800s anymore.[/quote]
No, but Ron Paul sure is trying to take us back there![/quote]
Isn’t this the same kind of generalization as “Obama’s a communist”?
May 2, 2012 at 10:24 PM #742740Daniel
ParticipantThe one positive thing I can say about Ron Paul is that he’s a very sincere candidate (I’m pretty sure the guy believes what he preaches). Romney, on the other hand, is at the other extreme: “I will say all the right things in the primaries, but… wink, wink, ya know, I’m not that crazy actually, and you’ll see that in the general election – a.k.a. Etch-a-Sketch”.
Hard to judge the man who lives inside Romney, while Paul is what-you-see-is-what-you-get.
That being said, what I see in Paul is a rather dangerous lunatic, and, no, thank you, I’d rather take anybody but him. Gold standard, Santa Claus, etc… The man is delusional.
PS: the fact that he’s a got a lot of followers doesn’t make it any better. Human history is full of charismatic lunatics. People have paid the price in the past.
May 3, 2012 at 8:23 AM #742765Guest[quote=mike92104][quote=pri_dk][quote=markmax33]
[quote]This isn’t the 1800s anymore.[/quote]
No, but Ron Paul sure is trying to take us back there![/quote]
Isn’t this the same kind of generalization as “Obama’s a communist”?[/quote]
It was really just a joke to counter one nonsensical point with another.
But I think there’s some truth to it. RP’s platform is basically to dismantle many of the institutions that were put in place during the 20th century: the Fed, social security, global military, environmental and consumer protection laws, etc.
I actually think that many RP supporters would agree that in some ways he wants to go back to the government of the 1800s. They see it as a positive.
However I think they selectively ignore a lot of history and downplay the tradeoffs to an extreme.
May 3, 2012 at 8:49 AM #742768Guest[quote=pri_dk][quote=markmax33]CNET is a valued tool for electronics and cell phones and something would set itself up for the meat industry.[/quote]
So now I’ve got to read a list of user reviews every time I want to buy a pack hot dogs?
Gee, this one guy gave it four stars, but this other guy only gave it one because his wife got e-coli…
[quote]This isn’t the 1800s anymore.[/quote]
No, but Ron Paul sure is trying to take us back there![/quote]
Did you want something safe an effective or did you want the FDA? There are private label certs on meats all the time. You did notice the $450M Medicare scandal didn’t you? The GOV is much less efficient than the free market. It is proven every day in the news.
May 3, 2012 at 8:53 AM #742769Guest[quote=pri_dk][quote=mike92104][quote=pri_dk][quote=markmax33]
[quote]This isn’t the 1800s anymore.[/quote]
No, but Ron Paul sure is trying to take us back there![/quote]
Isn’t this the same kind of generalization as “Obama’s a communist”?[/quote]
It was really just a joke to counter one nonsensical point with another.
But I think there’s some truth to it. RP’s platform is basically to dismantle many of the institutions that were put in place during the 20th century: the Fed, social security, global military, environmental and consumer protection laws, etc.
I actually think that many RP supporters would agree that in some ways he wants to go back to the government of the 1800s. They see it as a positive.
However I think they selectively ignore a lot of history and downplay the tradeoffs to an extreme.[/quote]
This just isn’t true. We all talk about the tradeoffs. Get rid of the FED and you have will have more short term hard downswings with larger upswings instead of the 30 year “leveling” affect they try to accomplish with a central bank that end up in currency collapse, GOV collapse and society collapse every time. Which is more extreme? I would rather have had 2 years of 25% unemployment, had housing prices drop 60% and let the market reset rather than this 5 year of crap we have going on.
May 3, 2012 at 8:56 AM #742770Guest[quote=Daniel]The one positive thing I can say about Ron Paul is that he’s a very sincere candidate (I’m pretty sure the guy believes what he preaches). Romney, on the other hand, is at the other extreme: “I will say all the right things in the primaries, but… wink, wink, ya know, I’m not that crazy actually, and you’ll see that in the general election – a.k.a. Etch-a-Sketch”.
Hard to judge the man who lives inside Romney, while Paul is what-you-see-is-what-you-get.
That being said, what I see in Paul is a rather dangerous lunatic, and, no, thank you, I’d rather take anybody but him. Gold standard, Santa Claus, etc… The man is delusional.
PS: the fact that he’s a got a lot of followers doesn’t make it any better. Human history is full of charismatic lunatics. People have paid the price in the past.[/quote]
No offense but Paul has the charisma of a rock. His ideas make sense which is why Paul supporters are multiplying rapidly but it takes a while to see the trap of modern politics – the one party system. He stumbles in all debates and he’s old and not pretty look at. It took 30 years for anyone to even pay any attention to him.
May 3, 2012 at 9:02 AM #742771Guest[quote=ocrenter][quote=markmax33]
Don’t complain about a Caucus process established in another state, move there and vote to change it if it is important instead of compalining about it. I wouldn’t expect Californians to know anyway..[/quote]
that’s not my point.
the point is the only way Dr. Paul is even getting anywhere is to take advantage of the archaic caucus process that is essentially undemocratic. you know this is true. now I frankly have no problem with this since Mitt is also armed with bags of money from SuperPACs.
just don’t even try to justify this with your righteousness and about how people that disagree are ignorant.[/quote]
It is ignorant for voters to not attend their Caucuses for a real vote. There’s nothing else ignorant about it. The process had been in place for years! Infact, I don’t hear you all screaming voter fraud when Paul’s people have 100% proof and Romney wins a primary (Maine – GOP Chair resigned). I didn’t hear you all complaining and moaning when Romney came in 3rd in North Dakota but cheated in the Caucus and won the most delegates. You only point things out when Paul is successful. It’s just childish in my mind.
May 3, 2012 at 9:08 AM #742773poorgradstudent
Participant[quote=markmax33]Did you want something safe an effective or did you want the FDA? There are private label certs on meats all the time. You did notice the $450M Medicare scandal didn’t you? The GOV is much less efficient than the free market. It is proven every day in the news.[/quote]
You haven’t read The Jungle, have you?There are things Government always is more efficient at: National Defense and Highways are two obvious examples. There are things the private sector does extremely well. Working in biotech I can tell you that drug discovery doesn’t work without both government and free market factors in play. The free market is great at bringing products to market and making them affordable to the mass market. But overall the free market is TERRIBLE at swing-for-the-fences, so crazy it just might work ideas. The very internet we are using would not really exist without government help. Otherwise we’d probably have a patchwork of AOL/Compuserve type networks and company intranets; think mid to late 90s.
History has clearly shown regulated free markets work best of all. Blanket statements about free market or government always being better are at best overly simplistic and at worst ignorant.
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