Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[bearishgurl]

nj, you and your siblings were fortunate in that you decided to leave before you actually joined a union and began your careers.

I can’t find it now but I recently read somewhere that in the hardest-hit counties in OH, the median home value was just $128K today. I’m just wondering how these longtime homeowners can actually sell (especially expediently and for anywhere near $128K) and hope to have enough to start over in another locale when/if they are offered a job with a start date. I can’t imagine after being unemployed for so long that they can afford to carry an empty house, even if it is just taxes and insurance. Of course, a lot of families (esp those nearing retirement) may have saved up a good-sized nest egg but have possibly had to go thru some or all of it depending on how many years they hung around after their unemployment ran out.

Something tells me that a lot of these folks’ savings isn’t what it should be cuz they were counting on a a certain amount of defined benefit monthly pension (which now isn’t quite going to be as much as they expected).

I’m sure it was easier for many families to stay put after they lost their job(s), especially for families with fairly low monthly expenses who had kids in school, especially high school.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flyer]
Personally, I just can’t imagine putting my destiny or the destiny of my family into the hands of any politician, as millions seem to be doing in this election.[/quote]

“We should not have cults of personality here,” Rubio said. “If you look at any political movement in the world where the leader says, ‘Deposit your trust in me, for I am going to lead you to salvation,’ that’s only worked, according to my faith, one time. And it wasn’t a political movement.”

“Any time a leader builds an entire movement around himself, it almost always leads to disaster,” Rubio continued.

[no_such_reality]

Bunk, I too worked in Detroit once removed from auto. Go and Chrysler died because executive management took theceasybpath and short term profits and gains for themselves instead of making necessary structural changes.

Sure the unions were tone deaf, management was short sighted.

[quote=njtosd][quote=bearishgurl]
The “desperation” you describe isn’t about race. It’s about families which have, for generations, been able to support themselves with union factory jobs with full benefits and now find themselves permanently out of work and their long-owned homes worth nearly nothing, due to lack of living-wage jobs in the area. They can’t even sell their homes and transfer out of the region for a better job and likely can’t find good renters because there aren’t any living-wage jobs in the region. I can see why these people feel that they’re “stuck” and frustrated with NAFTA, etc.

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BG – I grew up outside of Detroit and although my Dad wasn’t directly employed by the auto companies we were supported by the auto companies once removed, like almost everyone in Detroit. I could see in the 1980s that Detroit was in a death spiral and when I looked for a job I looked in Chicago as did my sister and brother. I know lots of people who stayed because it was easier to hang around where things were familiar (and getting cheaper by the day). People are responsible for finding work where the work exists – the world is not responsible for providing jobs where people choose to live (which is how my Irish ancestors ended up in the U.S. . . . )

The death of Detroit is attributable to the over reaching of the auto unions and the tendency of Detroit politicians to tax city businesses who couldn’t vote against them (the owners generally weren’t city residents). In addition, the weather is as bad in Detroit as it is good in San Diego. My Dad’s firm moved from downtown to the suburbs due to the political climate and the growing crime problem. . . and I haven’t heard of many businesses moving back.

We as individuals are responsible for finding a way to support our families. No one owes me a job anywhere. If I’m lucky enough to get a job in the place that I want – that’s a plus. People need to prepare themselves for engineering jobs in Minnesota and Wisconsin or wherever, not comparative religion “jobs” in San Diego. And if they don’t prepare themselves, they are at the mercy of the job creators. Maybe it’s not desirable – but as long as people blame their failures on factors outside of their control they are destined for more failure.[/quote]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=no_such_reality]Bunk, I too worked in Detroit once removed from auto. Go and Chrysler died because executive management took theceasybpath and short term profits and gains for themselves instead of making necessary structural changes.

Sure the unions were tone deaf, management was short sighted.[/quote]

Regardless, the outcome turned out to be the same as we’re seeing today, NSR. In your example, mgmt plundered the organization and then ran off with the proceeds, leaving their longtime assembly lines grossly underfunded and their loyal workforce in a lurch. In recent years, mgmt decided to move their factories to a country where the customary wages are 1/10th or less than they are in the US, leaving their longtime workers jobless in a region with no other type of industry for many miles around.

In both cases, the longtime union-member employees paid the ultimate price.

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

njtosd, it’s funny, but BG said the same thing about housing and jobs in San Diego. Be prepared to move.[/quote]

Did you happen to notice my screen name? We lived here and then moved to NJ for . . . . a job! Didn’t like it there and made changes so that we could live back here. Right now my husband is hours away from here on business. If we have to move again, I’d do it and I wouldn’t blame anyone else. That puts too much power in the other guy’s hands.

[njtosd]

[quote=bearishgurl]

Regardless, the outcome turned out to be the same as we’re seeing today, NSR. In your example, mgmt plundered the organization and then ran off with the proceeds, leaving their longtime assembly lines grossly underfunded and their loyal workforce in a lurch. In recent years, mgmt decided to move their factories to a country where the customary wages are 1/10th or less than they are in the US, leaving their longtime workers jobless in a region with no other type of industry for many miles around.

In both cases, the longtime union-member employees paid the ultimate price.[/quote]

I remember guys in high school – I asked them where they were going to college. They laughed at me and said their (brother, uncle, cousin) was going to get them a job on the line that paid $30 an hour and that I was dumb for spending all the time and money on college. I thought a lot about those conversations when I was making $6.50 an hour doing leukemia research with a college degree. They were absolutely overpaid (even if they were inflating their income) for their abilities – and that was the union’s doing. The problem is that they really weren’t worth what the union got them in terms of pay – it was a bubble of a sort. And bubbles burst. I’m not saying management wasn’t partly to blame – but management is easy to move around if that would fix things. Unions and politicians – not so much.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/14/trump-trump-trump-yells-attacker-as-he-beats-hispanic-man-muslim-student/

Trump, Trump, Trump. This is the shit I’m afraid off.
[/quote]There’s no need to be “afraid,” AN. Notice that most of the Trump protestors and those claiming Trump is a “racist” are nearly all misinformed, impressionable college students of the 18-22 year-old set. These are people who have likely never voted in a general election in their lives and are thus very inexperienced in studying the issues. Many (most) are lacking in critical thinking skills and are very impressionable.

Check out the video below of a young (thoughtful) TX worker-bee (~30 yrs old) driving to work on his MC with two hero cameras (one facing him and one facing the road). He’s of Hispanic descent and states he grew up in a border town (El Paso or McAllen??) and traveled to MX often while growing up. Throughout the video where he considers all of the candidates out loud (and why he’s leaning towards Trump), he complains about a lot of his “facebook friends” calling Trump a “racist” without any justification and complains that he is unable to have an intelligent conversation about the real issues with any of them. It’s pretty enlightening to hear what Joe 6p young Hispanic voter thinks about the current crop of Presidential candidates. I can tell you that he is not alone … not by a long shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iCE3W5f2sQ%5B/quote%5Di don’t care if Trump is telling the truth or not. But I know for a fact that most of his supporters are white,poorly educated and a decent portoing of them are racist. Hence the video I posted and is what I’m afraid off. Trump brings these crazy out of the woodwork. Although I’m not a Hillary fan, I would vote for her in a heart beat if Trump is the nominee. Hoping that she would give him a beating he’ll never forget and hoping that the majority of Americans are against these racist comments he makes and the racist and intolerant people who support him.

Although it might not make make difference for me voting for Hillary in California but I will definitely vote against Duncan Hunter if he run for reelection specifically because he endorsed Trump.

[paramount]

[quote=flu]

Some racist americans are sick and tired of seeing whites doing better than them and need socialism to reign whites through laws that deliberately slows them down or turn them away.

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Currently no group in this country is more discrimanted against than white men.

[paramount]

[quote=zk]

Fair enough. I couldn’t find anything on your version of American Spring when I googled it. All I really found was this, so this is what I thought you were talking about:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-zombeck/operation-american-spring_b_5345686.html

[quote=paramount]
Thoughtful Americans are sick and tired of the establishment.

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Thoughtful Americans? Hmm.

“Thoughtful Americans for Trump”

That would be a good motto for his campaign. It really captures his style and that of his followers. And, bonus, for his followers, it could be a code word/dog whistle. Thoughtful=white.[/quote]

Thoughtful = white -> huh? Is that leftist code? Just keep throwing anything against the wall and see if it sticks?

Look I don’t think Trump can make America great again.

Only a return to the Constitution can make America great again.

[an]

[quote=paramount][quote=flu]

Some racist americans are sick and tired of seeing whites doing better than them and need socialism to reign whites through laws that deliberately slows them down or turn them away.

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Currently no group in this country is more discrimanted against than white men.[/quote]
Example?

[zk]

[quote=paramount]

Thoughtful = white -> huh? Is that leftist code? Just keep throwing anything against the wall and see if it sticks?

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[random non-sequitur] right back at ya.

[Coronita]

[quote=paramount][quote=flu]

Some racist americans are sick and tired of seeing whites doing better than them and need socialism to reign whites through laws that deliberately slows them down or turn them away.

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Currently no group in this country is more discrimanted against than white men.[/quote]

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Are you playing the victim card now, that you accuse many
minorities of playing? Last time I checked, most fortune 500 counties still have a “white man” sitting in the CEO seat.

A simple question. True or false?

We can go on, but there’s no point in arguing with someone that already made up their mind and will see what they want to see.

That’s the sad part. People actually believe “white people” are massively being discriminated against. Wow, just wow. America has sunk to an all time low.

Must be a Temecula thing 🙁

[njtosd]

Flu – Asians are projected to become the wealthiest group in the US in coming years. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/15/mericans-are-transforming-the-face-of-us-wealth.html

When they do, will that mean that discrimination against Asians has stopped?

[an]

[quote=njtosd]Flu – Asians are projected to become the wealthiest group in the US in coming years. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/15/mericans-are-transforming-the-face-of-us-wealth.html

When they do, will that mean that discrimination against Asians has stopped?[/quote]
Success of a race on average and discrimination against a race are two separate thing. Just because Asian found ways to work around the discrimination, persevere through the discrimination, and achieve financial success does not mean they’re not being discriminated against. It just mean as a group, Asian don’t spend as much energy bitching about it as working with the landscape that’s in front of them, even when there’s discrimination.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=AN]
Although it might not make make difference for me voting for Hillary in California but I will definitely vote against Duncan Hunter if he run for reelection specifically because he endorsed Trump.[/quote]

I don’t vote in CA anymore…. But does Duncan Hunter represent Mira Mesa?

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