“White House collects Web users’ data without notice”

[Veritas]

sob,

I am against this:

A. Silencing Political Dissent

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a federal crime of “domestic terrorism” that broadly extends to “acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws” if they “appear to be intended…to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion,” and if they “occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.” [10] Because this crime is couched in such vague and expansive terms, it may well be read by federal law enforcement agencies as licensing the investigation and surveillance of political activists and organizations based on their opposition to government policies. It also may be read by prosecutors as licensing the criminalization of legitimate political dissent. Vigorous protest activities, by their very nature, could be construed as acts that “appear to be intended…to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion.” Further, clashes between demonstrators and police officers and acts of civil disobedience — even those that do not result in injuries and are entirely non-violent — could be construed as “dangerous to human life” and in “violation of the criminal laws.” Environmental activists, anti-globalization activists, and anti-abortion activists who use direct action to further their political agendas are particularly vulnerable to prosecution as “domestic terrorists.”

However, to prevent 9-11 type incidents, I fully support waterboarding or dipping bullets in pig fat or other ways of eliciting cooperation. I am pragmatic that way. I do not want this country destroyed because we are weak or perceived as weak by our enemies. They shot the Nazis they captured in WWII in a very perfunctory fashion and I do not believe terrorists or other enemy combatants deserve Miranda, a free attorney, bail and any other legal consideration applied to criminals. War is war and criminal laws are designed to ensure those arrested are innocent until proven quilty. These terrorists caught in the act or in the battlefield do not deserve Constitutional protections. I think a lot of them deserve a firing squad. So I must not be a true libertarian….

Jefferson believed in freedom, but not for the Barbary pirates.

[air_ogi]

partypup, you are misinformed. I know the article is a bit confusing, but it is your responsibility to do a bit of research on something that sounds completely improbable and comes from a biased source.

The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

Here is the article that details it in a bit more clear way
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363

So unless you post on facebook.com/whitehouse , your trolling will not be stored in presidential records.

That said, NSA probably can read your private posts on facebook, since Congress and G.W. Bush granted telecom companies immunity from being sued for warrantless wiretaps. Democrats in congress have a bill that will remove this immunity, but I am sure that Ron Paul will be only freedom loving Republican that will support it.

[air_ogi]

partypup, you are misinformed. I know the article is a bit confusing, but it is your responsibility to do a bit of research on something that sounds completely improbable and comes from a biased source.

The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

Here is the article that details it in a bit more clear way
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363

So unless you post on facebook.com/whitehouse , your trolling will not be stored in presidential records.

That said, NSA probably can read your private posts on facebook, since Congress and G.W. Bush granted telecom companies immunity from being sued for warrantless wiretaps. Democrats in congress have a bill that will remove this immunity, but I am sure that Ron Paul will be only freedom loving Republican that will support it.

[air_ogi]

partypup, you are misinformed. I know the article is a bit confusing, but it is your responsibility to do a bit of research on something that sounds completely improbable and comes from a biased source.

The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

Here is the article that details it in a bit more clear way
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363

So unless you post on facebook.com/whitehouse , your trolling will not be stored in presidential records.

That said, NSA probably can read your private posts on facebook, since Congress and G.W. Bush granted telecom companies immunity from being sued for warrantless wiretaps. Democrats in congress have a bill that will remove this immunity, but I am sure that Ron Paul will be only freedom loving Republican that will support it.

[air_ogi]

partypup, you are misinformed. I know the article is a bit confusing, but it is your responsibility to do a bit of research on something that sounds completely improbable and comes from a biased source.

The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

Here is the article that details it in a bit more clear way
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363

So unless you post on facebook.com/whitehouse , your trolling will not be stored in presidential records.

That said, NSA probably can read your private posts on facebook, since Congress and G.W. Bush granted telecom companies immunity from being sued for warrantless wiretaps. Democrats in congress have a bill that will remove this immunity, but I am sure that Ron Paul will be only freedom loving Republican that will support it.

[air_ogi]

partypup, you are misinformed. I know the article is a bit confusing, but it is your responsibility to do a bit of research on something that sounds completely improbable and comes from a biased source.

The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on its social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube

Here is the article that details it in a bit more clear way
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53363

So unless you post on facebook.com/whitehouse , your trolling will not be stored in presidential records.

That said, NSA probably can read your private posts on facebook, since Congress and G.W. Bush granted telecom companies immunity from being sued for warrantless wiretaps. Democrats in congress have a bill that will remove this immunity, but I am sure that Ron Paul will be only freedom loving Republican that will support it.

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[jonnycsd]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]The only two major options for affecting what our leaders do is voting them in or out of office, or taking to the streets in armed mobs. A third option is economic, but there is only so much corpor-rat crap we can refuse to buy… gotta eat and drive to work, after all.

And if our vote is rigged and gamed, and we are never presented with any but corporately-approved candidates, what options does that leave us?

[/quote]

IMHO gerrymandering has really shifted power away from the voter and towards the parties and thier clients, which are often corporations and nearly always special interest groups. Generally, the politicians running in a gerrymandered district already know if it will go Democrat or Republican. What matters to them is wining the parties nomination, not winning the election. Gerrymandering pre-allocates seats to each party and effectively removes the need for politicians to respond to ALL of thier consituents and replaces it with the need only to respond to the party they affiliate with.

To fix this, the enire concept of gerrymandering needs to be banished!

[jonnycsd]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]The only two major options for affecting what our leaders do is voting them in or out of office, or taking to the streets in armed mobs. A third option is economic, but there is only so much corpor-rat crap we can refuse to buy… gotta eat and drive to work, after all.

And if our vote is rigged and gamed, and we are never presented with any but corporately-approved candidates, what options does that leave us?

[/quote]

IMHO gerrymandering has really shifted power away from the voter and towards the parties and thier clients, which are often corporations and nearly always special interest groups. Generally, the politicians running in a gerrymandered district already know if it will go Democrat or Republican. What matters to them is wining the parties nomination, not winning the election. Gerrymandering pre-allocates seats to each party and effectively removes the need for politicians to respond to ALL of thier consituents and replaces it with the need only to respond to the party they affiliate with.

To fix this, the enire concept of gerrymandering needs to be banished!

[jonnycsd]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]The only two major options for affecting what our leaders do is voting them in or out of office, or taking to the streets in armed mobs. A third option is economic, but there is only so much corpor-rat crap we can refuse to buy… gotta eat and drive to work, after all.

And if our vote is rigged and gamed, and we are never presented with any but corporately-approved candidates, what options does that leave us?

[/quote]

IMHO gerrymandering has really shifted power away from the voter and towards the parties and thier clients, which are often corporations and nearly always special interest groups. Generally, the politicians running in a gerrymandered district already know if it will go Democrat or Republican. What matters to them is wining the parties nomination, not winning the election. Gerrymandering pre-allocates seats to each party and effectively removes the need for politicians to respond to ALL of thier consituents and replaces it with the need only to respond to the party they affiliate with.

To fix this, the enire concept of gerrymandering needs to be banished!

[jonnycsd]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]The only two major options for affecting what our leaders do is voting them in or out of office, or taking to the streets in armed mobs. A third option is economic, but there is only so much corpor-rat crap we can refuse to buy… gotta eat and drive to work, after all.

And if our vote is rigged and gamed, and we are never presented with any but corporately-approved candidates, what options does that leave us?

[/quote]

IMHO gerrymandering has really shifted power away from the voter and towards the parties and thier clients, which are often corporations and nearly always special interest groups. Generally, the politicians running in a gerrymandered district already know if it will go Democrat or Republican. What matters to them is wining the parties nomination, not winning the election. Gerrymandering pre-allocates seats to each party and effectively removes the need for politicians to respond to ALL of thier consituents and replaces it with the need only to respond to the party they affiliate with.

To fix this, the enire concept of gerrymandering needs to be banished!

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