“White House collects Web users’ data without notice”

[CricketOnTheHearth]

China’s giving it the ol’ college try, but the bloom may be already coming off the rose in a few of these places. I recently read an article about grumbling in some 3rd world country (I forget which, in Africa, I think) because the Chinese were bringing in their own Chinese workers to do the work instead of hiring local.

America made the big play for the big oil resources in the Gulf area, while China nibbles around the edges for the oil in Sudan, etc. No argument that the US has funbled the Gulf play. I predict the “Great Game” will eventually turn to China attempting to get a foothold in the Gulf region; perhaps cozying up to Iran. Neither Russia nor the US would like that… much ugliness ensues.

The fact that our economies are so webbed together makes it tougher. You can’t just haul off and blast your rival any more, you wind up cratering your own economy if you do.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”an increasingly brutal war for resources”

I believe it is necessary to have a big picture view of the world and what is going on in it

this ‘war for resources’ is part of that big picture IMO

while the US has been wasting their resources in pointless wars, China has been going around the world buying up the resources they will need in the future

Australia, Canada, Africa – China has secured streams of resources from these countries and more while the US has piddled their resources in the desert (and continues to do so)

China plans for the next 100 years while the US plans for the next quarter and the next election …[/quote]

4Plex: I’m reminded of the late 1980s, when Japan, Inc. was credited with the same foresight as China is now enjoying. In spite of the tale being spun about Japanese technological superiority and how MITI’s centralized planning was providing Japanese industry with a drive and focus that US industry lacked… well, we know how that turned out.

I don’t debate that China is having one helluva coming out party. However, China is also riddled with huge structural defects and the pretty coat of paint the Chinese leadership has troweled over the exterior is starting to flake.

They have been ginning up their economic numbers for quite a while now, and there is significant social and cultural dislocation taking place, whether we’re discussing internal security issues with Muslims, Uighurs and other ethnic minorities, or the problems emerging as unemployment soars.

Their costs of labor are increasing rapidly and its proving ever more difficult to find qualified mid- and upper-management personnel, along with attorneys and financial professionals.

I don’t discount the Chinese, however, I also don’t buy into the story of them as some unstoppable juggernaut. There are some very large obstacles for them to overcome and I remain unconvinced that we’re now seeing “Pax Cathay” replacing “Pax Americana”. As Cricket points out, the Chinese are finding it difficult to assert themselves in other parts of the world, in spite of the massive sums they’re spending and they lack the singular, American ability to project power.

Attenuated as we may be after eight years of war, we still represent TR’s “Big Stick” and the dominant military force for at least the next generation. Let’s see China put a carrier battle group in someone’s back yard to make a point and then I’ll be impressed.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”an increasingly brutal war for resources”

I believe it is necessary to have a big picture view of the world and what is going on in it

this ‘war for resources’ is part of that big picture IMO

while the US has been wasting their resources in pointless wars, China has been going around the world buying up the resources they will need in the future

Australia, Canada, Africa – China has secured streams of resources from these countries and more while the US has piddled their resources in the desert (and continues to do so)

China plans for the next 100 years while the US plans for the next quarter and the next election …[/quote]

4Plex: I’m reminded of the late 1980s, when Japan, Inc. was credited with the same foresight as China is now enjoying. In spite of the tale being spun about Japanese technological superiority and how MITI’s centralized planning was providing Japanese industry with a drive and focus that US industry lacked… well, we know how that turned out.

I don’t debate that China is having one helluva coming out party. However, China is also riddled with huge structural defects and the pretty coat of paint the Chinese leadership has troweled over the exterior is starting to flake.

They have been ginning up their economic numbers for quite a while now, and there is significant social and cultural dislocation taking place, whether we’re discussing internal security issues with Muslims, Uighurs and other ethnic minorities, or the problems emerging as unemployment soars.

Their costs of labor are increasing rapidly and its proving ever more difficult to find qualified mid- and upper-management personnel, along with attorneys and financial professionals.

I don’t discount the Chinese, however, I also don’t buy into the story of them as some unstoppable juggernaut. There are some very large obstacles for them to overcome and I remain unconvinced that we’re now seeing “Pax Cathay” replacing “Pax Americana”. As Cricket points out, the Chinese are finding it difficult to assert themselves in other parts of the world, in spite of the massive sums they’re spending and they lack the singular, American ability to project power.

Attenuated as we may be after eight years of war, we still represent TR’s “Big Stick” and the dominant military force for at least the next generation. Let’s see China put a carrier battle group in someone’s back yard to make a point and then I’ll be impressed.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”an increasingly brutal war for resources”

I believe it is necessary to have a big picture view of the world and what is going on in it

this ‘war for resources’ is part of that big picture IMO

while the US has been wasting their resources in pointless wars, China has been going around the world buying up the resources they will need in the future

Australia, Canada, Africa – China has secured streams of resources from these countries and more while the US has piddled their resources in the desert (and continues to do so)

China plans for the next 100 years while the US plans for the next quarter and the next election …[/quote]

4Plex: I’m reminded of the late 1980s, when Japan, Inc. was credited with the same foresight as China is now enjoying. In spite of the tale being spun about Japanese technological superiority and how MITI’s centralized planning was providing Japanese industry with a drive and focus that US industry lacked… well, we know how that turned out.

I don’t debate that China is having one helluva coming out party. However, China is also riddled with huge structural defects and the pretty coat of paint the Chinese leadership has troweled over the exterior is starting to flake.

They have been ginning up their economic numbers for quite a while now, and there is significant social and cultural dislocation taking place, whether we’re discussing internal security issues with Muslims, Uighurs and other ethnic minorities, or the problems emerging as unemployment soars.

Their costs of labor are increasing rapidly and its proving ever more difficult to find qualified mid- and upper-management personnel, along with attorneys and financial professionals.

I don’t discount the Chinese, however, I also don’t buy into the story of them as some unstoppable juggernaut. There are some very large obstacles for them to overcome and I remain unconvinced that we’re now seeing “Pax Cathay” replacing “Pax Americana”. As Cricket points out, the Chinese are finding it difficult to assert themselves in other parts of the world, in spite of the massive sums they’re spending and they lack the singular, American ability to project power.

Attenuated as we may be after eight years of war, we still represent TR’s “Big Stick” and the dominant military force for at least the next generation. Let’s see China put a carrier battle group in someone’s back yard to make a point and then I’ll be impressed.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”an increasingly brutal war for resources”

I believe it is necessary to have a big picture view of the world and what is going on in it

this ‘war for resources’ is part of that big picture IMO

while the US has been wasting their resources in pointless wars, China has been going around the world buying up the resources they will need in the future

Australia, Canada, Africa – China has secured streams of resources from these countries and more while the US has piddled their resources in the desert (and continues to do so)

China plans for the next 100 years while the US plans for the next quarter and the next election …[/quote]

4Plex: I’m reminded of the late 1980s, when Japan, Inc. was credited with the same foresight as China is now enjoying. In spite of the tale being spun about Japanese technological superiority and how MITI’s centralized planning was providing Japanese industry with a drive and focus that US industry lacked… well, we know how that turned out.

I don’t debate that China is having one helluva coming out party. However, China is also riddled with huge structural defects and the pretty coat of paint the Chinese leadership has troweled over the exterior is starting to flake.

They have been ginning up their economic numbers for quite a while now, and there is significant social and cultural dislocation taking place, whether we’re discussing internal security issues with Muslims, Uighurs and other ethnic minorities, or the problems emerging as unemployment soars.

Their costs of labor are increasing rapidly and its proving ever more difficult to find qualified mid- and upper-management personnel, along with attorneys and financial professionals.

I don’t discount the Chinese, however, I also don’t buy into the story of them as some unstoppable juggernaut. There are some very large obstacles for them to overcome and I remain unconvinced that we’re now seeing “Pax Cathay” replacing “Pax Americana”. As Cricket points out, the Chinese are finding it difficult to assert themselves in other parts of the world, in spite of the massive sums they’re spending and they lack the singular, American ability to project power.

Attenuated as we may be after eight years of war, we still represent TR’s “Big Stick” and the dominant military force for at least the next generation. Let’s see China put a carrier battle group in someone’s back yard to make a point and then I’ll be impressed.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=4plexowner]”an increasingly brutal war for resources”

I believe it is necessary to have a big picture view of the world and what is going on in it

this ‘war for resources’ is part of that big picture IMO

while the US has been wasting their resources in pointless wars, China has been going around the world buying up the resources they will need in the future

Australia, Canada, Africa – China has secured streams of resources from these countries and more while the US has piddled their resources in the desert (and continues to do so)

China plans for the next 100 years while the US plans for the next quarter and the next election …[/quote]

4Plex: I’m reminded of the late 1980s, when Japan, Inc. was credited with the same foresight as China is now enjoying. In spite of the tale being spun about Japanese technological superiority and how MITI’s centralized planning was providing Japanese industry with a drive and focus that US industry lacked… well, we know how that turned out.

I don’t debate that China is having one helluva coming out party. However, China is also riddled with huge structural defects and the pretty coat of paint the Chinese leadership has troweled over the exterior is starting to flake.

They have been ginning up their economic numbers for quite a while now, and there is significant social and cultural dislocation taking place, whether we’re discussing internal security issues with Muslims, Uighurs and other ethnic minorities, or the problems emerging as unemployment soars.

Their costs of labor are increasing rapidly and its proving ever more difficult to find qualified mid- and upper-management personnel, along with attorneys and financial professionals.

I don’t discount the Chinese, however, I also don’t buy into the story of them as some unstoppable juggernaut. There are some very large obstacles for them to overcome and I remain unconvinced that we’re now seeing “Pax Cathay” replacing “Pax Americana”. As Cricket points out, the Chinese are finding it difficult to assert themselves in other parts of the world, in spite of the massive sums they’re spending and they lack the singular, American ability to project power.

Attenuated as we may be after eight years of war, we still represent TR’s “Big Stick” and the dominant military force for at least the next generation. Let’s see China put a carrier battle group in someone’s back yard to make a point and then I’ll be impressed.

[partypup]

Are YOU serious? If I want my comments made known to the White House, I will be a good little drone and post them on their website or their Facebook page.

This is completely different, and I’m surprised you don’t see the distinction: when I post comments to MY Facebook page, I have only consented to viewing by my “friends” – people I know and feel comfortable sharing my feelings with.

Read the article more closely. Think you are missing the point here.

[partypup]

Are YOU serious? If I want my comments made known to the White House, I will be a good little drone and post them on their website or their Facebook page.

This is completely different, and I’m surprised you don’t see the distinction: when I post comments to MY Facebook page, I have only consented to viewing by my “friends” – people I know and feel comfortable sharing my feelings with.

Read the article more closely. Think you are missing the point here.

[partypup]

Are YOU serious? If I want my comments made known to the White House, I will be a good little drone and post them on their website or their Facebook page.

This is completely different, and I’m surprised you don’t see the distinction: when I post comments to MY Facebook page, I have only consented to viewing by my “friends” – people I know and feel comfortable sharing my feelings with.

Read the article more closely. Think you are missing the point here.

[partypup]

Are YOU serious? If I want my comments made known to the White House, I will be a good little drone and post them on their website or their Facebook page.

This is completely different, and I’m surprised you don’t see the distinction: when I post comments to MY Facebook page, I have only consented to viewing by my “friends” – people I know and feel comfortable sharing my feelings with.

Read the article more closely. Think you are missing the point here.

[partypup]

Are YOU serious? If I want my comments made known to the White House, I will be a good little drone and post them on their website or their Facebook page.

This is completely different, and I’m surprised you don’t see the distinction: when I post comments to MY Facebook page, I have only consented to viewing by my “friends” – people I know and feel comfortable sharing my feelings with.

Read the article more closely. Think you are missing the point here.

[sobmaz]

Veritas

Re read my post, I agree with you.

Where we apparently part ways is I believe Conservatives march in lock step with their party, Liberals don’t.

My Liberal talk radio programs have correctly been trashing the Democratic controlled government for months now.

When the Republicans were trashing the Constitution the right wing talkers like Rush and Shawn not only backed the President but called the Liberal dissenters “traitors” sympathetic to the terrorist cause.

As far as Democratic and Republican politicians you can’t tell the difference. Obama has embraced the illegal wiretaps in the name of “security”.

Obama is so far little different than Bush and just because he is a Democrat he will not get a free pass from Liberals.

P.S.

I remember when the “Patriot Act” was being pushed. Those few Democrats who did stand up against it were tarred and feathered for being unpatriotic, Rush and Shawn constantly pushed that idea as did the Republicans. Just about all Democrats in the end supported the Patriot Act because they have no balls. There were no Republican dissenters.

The question is, did YOU support the Patriot Act and do you still today?

[sobmaz]

Veritas

Re read my post, I agree with you.

Where we apparently part ways is I believe Conservatives march in lock step with their party, Liberals don’t.

My Liberal talk radio programs have correctly been trashing the Democratic controlled government for months now.

When the Republicans were trashing the Constitution the right wing talkers like Rush and Shawn not only backed the President but called the Liberal dissenters “traitors” sympathetic to the terrorist cause.

As far as Democratic and Republican politicians you can’t tell the difference. Obama has embraced the illegal wiretaps in the name of “security”.

Obama is so far little different than Bush and just because he is a Democrat he will not get a free pass from Liberals.

P.S.

I remember when the “Patriot Act” was being pushed. Those few Democrats who did stand up against it were tarred and feathered for being unpatriotic, Rush and Shawn constantly pushed that idea as did the Republicans. Just about all Democrats in the end supported the Patriot Act because they have no balls. There were no Republican dissenters.

The question is, did YOU support the Patriot Act and do you still today?

[sobmaz]

Veritas

Re read my post, I agree with you.

Where we apparently part ways is I believe Conservatives march in lock step with their party, Liberals don’t.

My Liberal talk radio programs have correctly been trashing the Democratic controlled government for months now.

When the Republicans were trashing the Constitution the right wing talkers like Rush and Shawn not only backed the President but called the Liberal dissenters “traitors” sympathetic to the terrorist cause.

As far as Democratic and Republican politicians you can’t tell the difference. Obama has embraced the illegal wiretaps in the name of “security”.

Obama is so far little different than Bush and just because he is a Democrat he will not get a free pass from Liberals.

P.S.

I remember when the “Patriot Act” was being pushed. Those few Democrats who did stand up against it were tarred and feathered for being unpatriotic, Rush and Shawn constantly pushed that idea as did the Republicans. Just about all Democrats in the end supported the Patriot Act because they have no balls. There were no Republican dissenters.

The question is, did YOU support the Patriot Act and do you still today?

[sobmaz]

Veritas

Re read my post, I agree with you.

Where we apparently part ways is I believe Conservatives march in lock step with their party, Liberals don’t.

My Liberal talk radio programs have correctly been trashing the Democratic controlled government for months now.

When the Republicans were trashing the Constitution the right wing talkers like Rush and Shawn not only backed the President but called the Liberal dissenters “traitors” sympathetic to the terrorist cause.

As far as Democratic and Republican politicians you can’t tell the difference. Obama has embraced the illegal wiretaps in the name of “security”.

Obama is so far little different than Bush and just because he is a Democrat he will not get a free pass from Liberals.

P.S.

I remember when the “Patriot Act” was being pushed. Those few Democrats who did stand up against it were tarred and feathered for being unpatriotic, Rush and Shawn constantly pushed that idea as did the Republicans. Just about all Democrats in the end supported the Patriot Act because they have no balls. There were no Republican dissenters.

The question is, did YOU support the Patriot Act and do you still today?

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