Parents kicking their children out of the home

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]I think that it could be a cost-of-housing-as-a-proportion-of-income kinda thing.

In areas or countries where housing consumes a large portion of income, kids will stay at home longer into adulthood out of necessity.[/quote]

Definitely. Back when I was in college, my roommates and I rented a 3/2 apartment for $710/mo in a working-class, but decent-enough part of town in L.A. We could swing that rent, even though we all had low-paying jobs. These days, the rent for that apartment would probably run around $1,600-$1,750 (or more). The catch? Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.

So, while everyone is applauding the miracle of house price appreciation (and the rent increases that tend to go with it), the truth is that the working class hasn’t really seen any appreciable wage increases for decades, and their purchasing power has dropped significantly, while the upper-income earners and asset owners have probably seen their “wealth” and/or buying power triple or quadruple since then. The wealth/income gap is now HUGE, and it’s only getting worse.

[an]

[quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.

[an]

[quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.

[an]

[quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.

[an]

[quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.

[an]

[quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.[/quote]

Thanks for the link, AN. I was in college in the late 1980s-early 1990s. Minimum wage was $3.80 in 1990, and is $7.25 now (based on that chart). It was $6.55 in 2008. The difference between 1990 and 2008 minimum was is 72%, while the difference between 1990 and 2009 is 90%.

While we were “poor,” we weren’t making minimum wage at that point. I was making around $9/hr in 1989/1990 as a receptionist. Will try to find a job posting for similar positon in the same general vicinity…

…found this (11% more than 1990 wage):

Team CrossFit, a new fitness and self defense facility located in Warner Center/Woodland Hills is looking for a part time Front Desk/Receptionist. Must be a self motivated individual who likes teamwork and is willing to learn.

The successful candidate must have the following experience, skills, and education:

? Reliable, professional, computer literate, energetic, and very friendly and personable

? Interested and active in health, fitness, and/or sports

? Prior experience in front desk or customer service / sales

? Proactive and able to think on your own and solve problems

Hours: Monday – Friday 3pm – 9pm

Saturday – Sunday 8:30pm – 12pm

wage: 10 hr + complementary membership

http://cranberrykiss.com/front-deskreceptionist-at-a-new-gym-woodland-hills/
——————-

Okay, my job was a bit more “professional” than that, but am having a difficult time finding a job listing with wage/salary info (this is a bad habit on the part of employers, IMHO, as it wastes everyone’s time).

In the meantime, education costs, healthcare costs, rent, gas, etc. are all up considerably since then.

Here’s another position that is probably comparable (55% more than 1990 wage):

Compensation: $12-14/hour + benefits Principals only. Recruiters, please don’t contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

http://www.losangelesjobshiring.net/index.php?keyword=business&category=jjj&location=losangeles&item=25&mode=i

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.[/quote]

Thanks for the link, AN. I was in college in the late 1980s-early 1990s. Minimum wage was $3.80 in 1990, and is $7.25 now (based on that chart). It was $6.55 in 2008. The difference between 1990 and 2008 minimum was is 72%, while the difference between 1990 and 2009 is 90%.

While we were “poor,” we weren’t making minimum wage at that point. I was making around $9/hr in 1989/1990 as a receptionist. Will try to find a job posting for similar positon in the same general vicinity…

…found this (11% more than 1990 wage):

Team CrossFit, a new fitness and self defense facility located in Warner Center/Woodland Hills is looking for a part time Front Desk/Receptionist. Must be a self motivated individual who likes teamwork and is willing to learn.

The successful candidate must have the following experience, skills, and education:

? Reliable, professional, computer literate, energetic, and very friendly and personable

? Interested and active in health, fitness, and/or sports

? Prior experience in front desk or customer service / sales

? Proactive and able to think on your own and solve problems

Hours: Monday – Friday 3pm – 9pm

Saturday – Sunday 8:30pm – 12pm

wage: 10 hr + complementary membership

http://cranberrykiss.com/front-deskreceptionist-at-a-new-gym-woodland-hills/
——————-

Okay, my job was a bit more “professional” than that, but am having a difficult time finding a job listing with wage/salary info (this is a bad habit on the part of employers, IMHO, as it wastes everyone’s time).

In the meantime, education costs, healthcare costs, rent, gas, etc. are all up considerably since then.

Here’s another position that is probably comparable (55% more than 1990 wage):

Compensation: $12-14/hour + benefits Principals only. Recruiters, please don’t contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

http://www.losangelesjobshiring.net/index.php?keyword=business&category=jjj&location=losangeles&item=25&mode=i

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.[/quote]

Thanks for the link, AN. I was in college in the late 1980s-early 1990s. Minimum wage was $3.80 in 1990, and is $7.25 now (based on that chart). It was $6.55 in 2008. The difference between 1990 and 2008 minimum was is 72%, while the difference between 1990 and 2009 is 90%.

While we were “poor,” we weren’t making minimum wage at that point. I was making around $9/hr in 1989/1990 as a receptionist. Will try to find a job posting for similar positon in the same general vicinity…

…found this (11% more than 1990 wage):

Team CrossFit, a new fitness and self defense facility located in Warner Center/Woodland Hills is looking for a part time Front Desk/Receptionist. Must be a self motivated individual who likes teamwork and is willing to learn.

The successful candidate must have the following experience, skills, and education:

? Reliable, professional, computer literate, energetic, and very friendly and personable

? Interested and active in health, fitness, and/or sports

? Prior experience in front desk or customer service / sales

? Proactive and able to think on your own and solve problems

Hours: Monday – Friday 3pm – 9pm

Saturday – Sunday 8:30pm – 12pm

wage: 10 hr + complementary membership

http://cranberrykiss.com/front-deskreceptionist-at-a-new-gym-woodland-hills/
——————-

Okay, my job was a bit more “professional” than that, but am having a difficult time finding a job listing with wage/salary info (this is a bad habit on the part of employers, IMHO, as it wastes everyone’s time).

In the meantime, education costs, healthcare costs, rent, gas, etc. are all up considerably since then.

Here’s another position that is probably comparable (55% more than 1990 wage):

Compensation: $12-14/hour + benefits Principals only. Recruiters, please don’t contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

http://www.losangelesjobshiring.net/index.php?keyword=business&category=jjj&location=losangeles&item=25&mode=i

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.[/quote]

Thanks for the link, AN. I was in college in the late 1980s-early 1990s. Minimum wage was $3.80 in 1990, and is $7.25 now (based on that chart). It was $6.55 in 2008. The difference between 1990 and 2008 minimum was is 72%, while the difference between 1990 and 2009 is 90%.

While we were “poor,” we weren’t making minimum wage at that point. I was making around $9/hr in 1989/1990 as a receptionist. Will try to find a job posting for similar positon in the same general vicinity…

…found this (11% more than 1990 wage):

Team CrossFit, a new fitness and self defense facility located in Warner Center/Woodland Hills is looking for a part time Front Desk/Receptionist. Must be a self motivated individual who likes teamwork and is willing to learn.

The successful candidate must have the following experience, skills, and education:

? Reliable, professional, computer literate, energetic, and very friendly and personable

? Interested and active in health, fitness, and/or sports

? Prior experience in front desk or customer service / sales

? Proactive and able to think on your own and solve problems

Hours: Monday – Friday 3pm – 9pm

Saturday – Sunday 8:30pm – 12pm

wage: 10 hr + complementary membership

http://cranberrykiss.com/front-deskreceptionist-at-a-new-gym-woodland-hills/
——————-

Okay, my job was a bit more “professional” than that, but am having a difficult time finding a job listing with wage/salary info (this is a bad habit on the part of employers, IMHO, as it wastes everyone’s time).

In the meantime, education costs, healthcare costs, rent, gas, etc. are all up considerably since then.

Here’s another position that is probably comparable (55% more than 1990 wage):

Compensation: $12-14/hour + benefits Principals only. Recruiters, please don’t contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

http://www.losangelesjobshiring.net/index.php?keyword=business&category=jjj&location=losangeles&item=25&mode=i

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter] Wages for the types of jobs we had have gone nowhere in that time. Those wages have gone up *maybe* 40%-60% since then.[/quote]
Not sure when you went to college, but in order for wage to gone up only 40-60%, according to the minimum wage data, you must be going to college around mid 90s, correct? Here’s the historical data: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/

Back in the mid 90s, a 2/2 apartment in Mira was going for ~$1000/month. Today, that SAME 2/2 is going for ~$1350/month. So, income has gone up 40-60% while rent has gone up ~35%. I know the rent in mid 90s because I know someone who was renting that same 2/2 apartment in 1995.[/quote]

Thanks for the link, AN. I was in college in the late 1980s-early 1990s. Minimum wage was $3.80 in 1990, and is $7.25 now (based on that chart). It was $6.55 in 2008. The difference between 1990 and 2008 minimum was is 72%, while the difference between 1990 and 2009 is 90%.

While we were “poor,” we weren’t making minimum wage at that point. I was making around $9/hr in 1989/1990 as a receptionist. Will try to find a job posting for similar positon in the same general vicinity…

…found this (11% more than 1990 wage):

Team CrossFit, a new fitness and self defense facility located in Warner Center/Woodland Hills is looking for a part time Front Desk/Receptionist. Must be a self motivated individual who likes teamwork and is willing to learn.

The successful candidate must have the following experience, skills, and education:

? Reliable, professional, computer literate, energetic, and very friendly and personable

? Interested and active in health, fitness, and/or sports

? Prior experience in front desk or customer service / sales

? Proactive and able to think on your own and solve problems

Hours: Monday – Friday 3pm – 9pm

Saturday – Sunday 8:30pm – 12pm

wage: 10 hr + complementary membership

http://cranberrykiss.com/front-deskreceptionist-at-a-new-gym-woodland-hills/
——————-

Okay, my job was a bit more “professional” than that, but am having a difficult time finding a job listing with wage/salary info (this is a bad habit on the part of employers, IMHO, as it wastes everyone’s time).

In the meantime, education costs, healthcare costs, rent, gas, etc. are all up considerably since then.

Here’s another position that is probably comparable (55% more than 1990 wage):

Compensation: $12-14/hour + benefits Principals only. Recruiters, please don’t contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

http://www.losangelesjobshiring.net/index.php?keyword=business&category=jjj&location=losangeles&item=25&mode=i

[scaredyclassic]

Productivity. Sponging. Yeesh.

They were unproductive little sponges at 17 too

if the rooms empty anyway aren’t the parents being wasteful and nonproductive by nit utilizing a resource?

I get the irritation at lame kids; justvtryomg to be contrarian

[scaredyclassic]

Productivity. Sponging. Yeesh.

They were unproductive little sponges at 17 too

if the rooms empty anyway aren’t the parents being wasteful and nonproductive by nit utilizing a resource?

I get the irritation at lame kids; justvtryomg to be contrarian

[scaredyclassic]

Productivity. Sponging. Yeesh.

They were unproductive little sponges at 17 too

if the rooms empty anyway aren’t the parents being wasteful and nonproductive by nit utilizing a resource?

I get the irritation at lame kids; justvtryomg to be contrarian

[scaredyclassic]

Productivity. Sponging. Yeesh.

They were unproductive little sponges at 17 too

if the rooms empty anyway aren’t the parents being wasteful and nonproductive by nit utilizing a resource?

I get the irritation at lame kids; justvtryomg to be contrarian

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