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November 7, 2007 at 8:45 AM #96726November 7, 2007 at 8:45 AM #96733
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ParticipantI lost my wonderful, well thought out post Allan. Anyway I have contemplated the internment issues from many angles. I have even seen essays by Japanese of the era who had the opinion that it was not completely unjustified. As you point out Japan then Vs. China now are completely different.
Anyway, FLU was more concerned of ramifications that occured circa 1980 and I don’t blame him. I don’t have confidence that the U.S.,from the upper levels of power to the blue collar guy who will go ape shit when he losses his job in the factories, is very different with regards to the tendancies you describe in your last paragraph,over the entire time frame discussed so far.I am sure we both wish it were better.
Disclaimer: editing issues due to feeding baby and having already lost a perfect work of art on the topic…Good luck reading that.
November 7, 2007 at 9:14 AM #96678patientlywaiting
ParticipantI would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.
Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).
I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.
Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.
I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.
As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).
The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.
Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.
San Diego is still a parochial small town city.
November 7, 2007 at 9:14 AM #96740ParticipantI would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.
Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).
I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.
Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.
I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.
As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).
The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.
Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.
San Diego is still a parochial small town city.
November 7, 2007 at 9:14 AM #96750ParticipantI would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.
Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).
I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.
Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.
I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.
As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).
The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.
Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.
San Diego is still a parochial small town city.
November 7, 2007 at 9:14 AM #96757ParticipantI would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.
Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).
I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.
Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.
I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.
As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).
The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.
Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.
San Diego is still a parochial small town city.
November 7, 2007 at 9:27 AM #96694Arty
ParticipantThis is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..
You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.
Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?
November 7, 2007 at 9:27 AM #96756ParticipantThis is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..
You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.
Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?
November 7, 2007 at 9:27 AM #96766ParticipantThis is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..
You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.
Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?
November 7, 2007 at 9:27 AM #96773ParticipantThis is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..
You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.
Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?
November 7, 2007 at 10:03 AM #96711ParticipantNicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.
I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.
November 7, 2007 at 10:03 AM #96776ParticipantNicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.
I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.
November 7, 2007 at 10:03 AM #96784ParticipantNicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.
I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.
November 7, 2007 at 10:03 AM #96791ParticipantNicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.
I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.
November 7, 2007 at 10:33 AM #96731bsrsharma
ParticipantUS is much different now from WW II days. During WW II days, racial segregation was completely legal, even in military. Today, US is extremely diverse, highly tolerant with more than even protection extended to “minorities” { Affirmative action, Voting rights etc., }. So, I think the fear of ABC/Chinese bashing is not very rational. Now, if you are in Mississippi, Alabama… etc., well, you would be already aware of how they look upon “outsiders”.
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