Paranoids: Any ABC’s fearful of chinese bashing in the future?

[Coronita]

This is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don't really have an option of "going home" to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..

 

Do any of you share a slight concern that as China's economic power increases, and *if* U.S's economy's start to decline, that our politicians, and society will resort to the sort of Asian bashing  that happened around the 80ies when Japan was sort of taking out companies left and right?

I remember as a kid growing up, I read about some chinese dude got bludgeon to death by a few car workers because I guess they lost their jobs and thought the poor dude was was japanese. The judge i think jury acquited them because they felt the made a mistake, and didn't mean to kill someone chinese. Yes go figure….

Anyway, wondering if anyone else shares an likewise concern. I'm thinking of Canada as a fallback option. …Eh? 

[Coronita]

For reference…

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin

 

Although, I didn't know about the Federal civil charges after the state slap on the hand… I sort of feel better now. Ok, not really.

 

 

[NotCranky]

That is just awful. You might take heart in the fact that Arabs and Muslims are not being rounded up in mass and put in internment camps at the current time as the Japanese were in WW2. I expect propaganda and backlash against any threat to U.S. agenda or supremacy but let’s hope nothing like that will ever happen again with so little justice. It is just disturbing. See Arraya’s post about monkeys in the “Love of God or money thread”.

http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/read/snow/
That is a book you might like, also a movie.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rustico: While I think that internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII is a black mark on America’s reputation, you also have to put it into context: The Japanese had just attacked Pearl Harbor (with the help of Japanese spies in the Hawaiian islands), they had been running rampant in the Pacific, China and Mongolia and were potentially a threat to the west coast of the US.

You might also remember that German-Americans and Italian-Americans were also being interned, mainly members of the Bund and the Italian-American Friendship Society.

I don’t see a huge backlash against Chinese-Americans, and I would caution those that see China reprising the role of Japan, Inc. during the 1980s to please remember how that turned out for Japan.

Lastly, the biggest threat to America’s supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we’ll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

[NotCranky]

I lost my wonderful, well thought out post Allan. Anyway I have contemplated the internment issues from many angles. I have even seen essays by Japanese of the era who had the opinion that it was not completely unjustified. As you point out Japan then Vs. China now are completely different.
Anyway, FLU was more concerned of ramifications that occured circa 1980 and I don’t blame him. I don’t have confidence that the U.S.,from the upper levels of power to the blue collar guy who will go ape shit when he losses his job in the factories, is very different with regards to the tendancies you describe in your last paragraph,over the entire time frame discussed so far.

I am sure we both wish it were better.

Disclaimer: editing issues due to feeding baby and having already lost a perfect work of art on the topic…Good luck reading that.

[patientlywaiting]

I would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.

Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).

I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.

Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.

I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.

As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).

The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.

Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.

San Diego is still a parochial small town city.

[Arty]

This is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.

Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?

[NotCranky]

Nicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.

I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.

[NotCranky]

Nicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.

I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.

[NotCranky]

Nicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.

I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.

[NotCranky]

Nicely said PW. I enjoy reading someone like you or Allan, who can praise and criticize the U.S. so articulately and even handedly and also isn’t afraid to do it.

I was in Vancouver and other parts of southern B.C. for the Worlds Fair(Expo?). Very nice to visit. That was 20+ years ago.

[lamoneyguy]

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship.

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

[ocrenter]

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

very true. thus Canada may be a viable option as really you are more culturally similar to Canadians vs Japanese.

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

[bsrsharma]

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

bsrsharma: Screw emigrating! I say we invade Canada. Our military would totally kick their military’s ass and we would get free healthcare, a more stable currency and Quebec in the bargain!

They also would never see it coming. We could go in to Windsor from Detroit. That way, a bunch of irate, well armed Americans wouldn’t raise any suspicion. We could attack after a Tigers – Bluejays game and dress the Army up in Tigers fan’s gear.

Who’s with me?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

bsrsharma: Screw emigrating! I say we invade Canada. Our military would totally kick their military’s ass and we would get free healthcare, a more stable currency and Quebec in the bargain!

They also would never see it coming. We could go in to Windsor from Detroit. That way, a bunch of irate, well armed Americans wouldn’t raise any suspicion. We could attack after a Tigers – Bluejays game and dress the Army up in Tigers fan’s gear.

Who’s with me?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

bsrsharma: Screw emigrating! I say we invade Canada. Our military would totally kick their military’s ass and we would get free healthcare, a more stable currency and Quebec in the bargain!

They also would never see it coming. We could go in to Windsor from Detroit. That way, a bunch of irate, well armed Americans wouldn’t raise any suspicion. We could attack after a Tigers – Bluejays game and dress the Army up in Tigers fan’s gear.

Who’s with me?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

bsrsharma: Screw emigrating! I say we invade Canada. Our military would totally kick their military’s ass and we would get free healthcare, a more stable currency and Quebec in the bargain!

They also would never see it coming. We could go in to Windsor from Detroit. That way, a bunch of irate, well armed Americans wouldn’t raise any suspicion. We could attack after a Tigers – Bluejays game and dress the Army up in Tigers fan’s gear.

Who’s with me?

[drunkle]

how do you fix stupidity… it’s not just america that experiences the ebb and flow of racism; europe, aus, asia, latin america..

america would be great if it weren’t for the damned americans.

[drunkle]

how do you fix stupidity… it’s not just america that experiences the ebb and flow of racism; europe, aus, asia, latin america..

america would be great if it weren’t for the damned americans.

[drunkle]

how do you fix stupidity… it’s not just america that experiences the ebb and flow of racism; europe, aus, asia, latin america..

america would be great if it weren’t for the damned americans.

[drunkle]

how do you fix stupidity… it’s not just america that experiences the ebb and flow of racism; europe, aus, asia, latin america..

america would be great if it weren’t for the damned americans.

[Coronita]

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

 

bsrsharma,

 

It's not that I feel America is going up in flames. If you are an immigrant that can be identified by you're exterior features, you might better understand my concern. See, throughout american history, when things went wrong with the economy, there was always a scapegoat. My concern is the China issue is going to be the next blame game factor. The issue really is that a lot of us ABC grew up here. We wouldn't want to live in Taiwan, China, Japan, etc because the environment is just different. But at the same time, some folks think when you look at us, you're one of them. If China/US relations go sour, it's anyone's guess how things are going to be here for some of us. Moving to China/Taiwan/Japan isn't an option for people like us, because it isn't our country to begin with. Canada is the only alternative, with similar culture to the U.S.

 

I guess for that reason I'm figuring out how to emigrate there if the sh!t really hits the fan wrto to China/US relations in the future. The only reason why this tension isn't already exacerbated is because the U.S. got distracted by 9/11 and the War on Terrorism. Once folks get over that, we'll need another "enemy" to think about. A good guage of this is Hollywood Movies…First it was the Russians in all the WW3 movies, then it was Vietnam with all the Chuck Norris…I wouldnt' be surprised if we more movies portraying China is enemy.

 

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China's political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

 

[drunkle]

it’s always been like this. it will always be like this.

some areas of the country are worse than others. san diego should be ok, despite the rednecks. la and bay area would be better, but san diego is no virgina or texas.

it’s one of the reasons minority racism against other minorities is so absurd. being minorities, you have to stick together no matter what. also, to respect each other’s individual and common histories, hardships, successes…

[drunkle]

it’s always been like this. it will always be like this.

some areas of the country are worse than others. san diego should be ok, despite the rednecks. la and bay area would be better, but san diego is no virgina or texas.

it’s one of the reasons minority racism against other minorities is so absurd. being minorities, you have to stick together no matter what. also, to respect each other’s individual and common histories, hardships, successes…

[drunkle]

it’s always been like this. it will always be like this.

some areas of the country are worse than others. san diego should be ok, despite the rednecks. la and bay area would be better, but san diego is no virgina or texas.

it’s one of the reasons minority racism against other minorities is so absurd. being minorities, you have to stick together no matter what. also, to respect each other’s individual and common histories, hardships, successes…

[drunkle]

it’s always been like this. it will always be like this.

some areas of the country are worse than others. san diego should be ok, despite the rednecks. la and bay area would be better, but san diego is no virgina or texas.

it’s one of the reasons minority racism against other minorities is so absurd. being minorities, you have to stick together no matter what. also, to respect each other’s individual and common histories, hardships, successes…

[ocrenter]

seriously though, I really doubt Asians in California (SoCal and NorCal) will have that much to fear. As for Asians in the rest of the country? that’s another story.

remember that Sikh gas station owner that was killed after 9/11 in Arizona? most of America have no clue that a Sikh is Indian and not remotely Arabic let alone Muslim.

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

Dude, have a little more confidence in your homeland. sounds like you are already ready to throw up the white flag (or in this case the blue flag).

[ocrenter]

seriously though, I really doubt Asians in California (SoCal and NorCal) will have that much to fear. As for Asians in the rest of the country? that’s another story.

remember that Sikh gas station owner that was killed after 9/11 in Arizona? most of America have no clue that a Sikh is Indian and not remotely Arabic let alone Muslim.

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

Dude, have a little more confidence in your homeland. sounds like you are already ready to throw up the white flag (or in this case the blue flag).

[ocrenter]

seriously though, I really doubt Asians in California (SoCal and NorCal) will have that much to fear. As for Asians in the rest of the country? that’s another story.

remember that Sikh gas station owner that was killed after 9/11 in Arizona? most of America have no clue that a Sikh is Indian and not remotely Arabic let alone Muslim.

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

Dude, have a little more confidence in your homeland. sounds like you are already ready to throw up the white flag (or in this case the blue flag).

[ocrenter]

seriously though, I really doubt Asians in California (SoCal and NorCal) will have that much to fear. As for Asians in the rest of the country? that’s another story.

remember that Sikh gas station owner that was killed after 9/11 in Arizona? most of America have no clue that a Sikh is Indian and not remotely Arabic let alone Muslim.

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

Dude, have a little more confidence in your homeland. sounds like you are already ready to throw up the white flag (or in this case the blue flag).

[bsrsharma]

FLU: OK, I will ask you point blank – how often, you or anyone you know, have felt threatened or intimidated because of your “external features” are different?

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

If you really need some thing to worry about, I think it may be good to worry about obesity, our national epidemic that is truly killing us all.

[Coronita]

*1 friend of wife was beaten up in college.

*Several friends that were Korean in L.A. had parents roughed up. I guess they own cleaners/liquor stores in the inner city.

*Personally, been called a chink in Bay Area a few times when in bars by some that had a few too many.

*Had a person that I bought artwork from in L.A. have his home fence vandalized with the word Chink after I visited him. No, it wasn't a rough neighborhood.

 

And of course there was Wen Ho Lee incident, and the cox report

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Cox_Report_controversy

which is one of many reasons why I will never work for any defense company that requires me to get a security clearance.

I'm not saying the FBI/CIA wasn't right in investigating or suspecting anything. Afterall, who is to blame the FBI/CIA in trying to make heads or tails on intelligence data.

 

 

 

[Coronita]

*1 friend of wife was beaten up in college.

*Several friends that were Korean in L.A. had parents roughed up. I guess they own cleaners/liquor stores in the inner city.

*Personally, been called a chink in Bay Area a few times when in bars by some that had a few too many.

*Had a person that I bought artwork from in L.A. have his home fence vandalized with the word Chink after I visited him. No, it wasn't a rough neighborhood.

 

And of course there was Wen Ho Lee incident, and the cox report

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Cox_Report_controversy

which is one of many reasons why I will never work for any defense company that requires me to get a security clearance.

I'm not saying the FBI/CIA wasn't right in investigating or suspecting anything. Afterall, who is to blame the FBI/CIA in trying to make heads or tails on intelligence data.

 

 

 

[Coronita]

*1 friend of wife was beaten up in college.

*Several friends that were Korean in L.A. had parents roughed up. I guess they own cleaners/liquor stores in the inner city.

*Personally, been called a chink in Bay Area a few times when in bars by some that had a few too many.

*Had a person that I bought artwork from in L.A. have his home fence vandalized with the word Chink after I visited him. No, it wasn't a rough neighborhood.

 

And of course there was Wen Ho Lee incident, and the cox report

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Cox_Report_controversy

which is one of many reasons why I will never work for any defense company that requires me to get a security clearance.

I'm not saying the FBI/CIA wasn't right in investigating or suspecting anything. Afterall, who is to blame the FBI/CIA in trying to make heads or tails on intelligence data.

 

 

 

[Coronita]

*1 friend of wife was beaten up in college.

*Several friends that were Korean in L.A. had parents roughed up. I guess they own cleaners/liquor stores in the inner city.

*Personally, been called a chink in Bay Area a few times when in bars by some that had a few too many.

*Had a person that I bought artwork from in L.A. have his home fence vandalized with the word Chink after I visited him. No, it wasn't a rough neighborhood.

 

And of course there was Wen Ho Lee incident, and the cox report

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Cox_Report_controversy

which is one of many reasons why I will never work for any defense company that requires me to get a security clearance.

I'm not saying the FBI/CIA wasn't right in investigating or suspecting anything. Afterall, who is to blame the FBI/CIA in trying to make heads or tails on intelligence data.

 

 

 

[Coronita]

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

Uh….Harm, no…Uh, profiled?….

 

The Imams of US Airways Flight 300 File Suit – CAIR in Cahoots

 

http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews.php?file=wbbm08302007

 

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1917936/posts

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920168/posts?page=1

 

and my personal favorite here in san diego…

http://digg.com/world_news/Racist_Mom_Delays_Flight

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070901-9999-1m1airline.html

 

 

 

[Coronita]

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

Uh….Harm, no…Uh, profiled?….

 

The Imams of US Airways Flight 300 File Suit – CAIR in Cahoots

 

http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews.php?file=wbbm08302007

 

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1917936/posts

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920168/posts?page=1

 

and my personal favorite here in san diego…

http://digg.com/world_news/Racist_Mom_Delays_Flight

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070901-9999-1m1airline.html

 

 

 

[Coronita]

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

Uh….Harm, no…Uh, profiled?….

 

The Imams of US Airways Flight 300 File Suit – CAIR in Cahoots

 

http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews.php?file=wbbm08302007

 

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1917936/posts

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920168/posts?page=1

 

and my personal favorite here in san diego…

http://digg.com/world_news/Racist_Mom_Delays_Flight

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070901-9999-1m1airline.html

 

 

 

[Coronita]

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

Uh….Harm, no…Uh, profiled?….

 

The Imams of US Airways Flight 300 File Suit – CAIR in Cahoots

 

http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews.php?file=wbbm08302007

 

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1917936/posts

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920168/posts?page=1

 

and my personal favorite here in san diego…

http://digg.com/world_news/Racist_Mom_Delays_Flight

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070901-9999-1m1airline.html

 

 

 

[bsrsharma]

FLU: OK, I will ask you point blank – how often, you or anyone you know, have felt threatened or intimidated because of your “external features” are different?

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

If you really need some thing to worry about, I think it may be good to worry about obesity, our national epidemic that is truly killing us all.

[bsrsharma]

FLU: OK, I will ask you point blank – how often, you or anyone you know, have felt threatened or intimidated because of your “external features” are different?

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

If you really need some thing to worry about, I think it may be good to worry about obesity, our national epidemic that is truly killing us all.

[bsrsharma]

FLU: OK, I will ask you point blank – how often, you or anyone you know, have felt threatened or intimidated because of your “external features” are different?

Look, we have a war going on on Islamic terrorists & radical Arabs. How many Muslims or Arabs have you heard being harmed? They have better chance of getting mugged in NY/LA/Chicago etc.

If you really need some thing to worry about, I think it may be good to worry about obesity, our national epidemic that is truly killing us all.

[Arty]

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

With Taiwan passport, you can get a China issued Taiwan passport pre their one China policy. Personally I think its more like a green card of China. This is one way you can get away from China’s strict no dual citizenship enforcement. Btw, it is in theory illegal to hold another citizenship if you have US citizenship, but it is not enforced.

[Arty]

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

With Taiwan passport, you can get a China issued Taiwan passport pre their one China policy. Personally I think its more like a green card of China. This is one way you can get away from China’s strict no dual citizenship enforcement. Btw, it is in theory illegal to hold another citizenship if you have US citizenship, but it is not enforced.

[Arty]

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

With Taiwan passport, you can get a China issued Taiwan passport pre their one China policy. Personally I think its more like a green card of China. This is one way you can get away from China’s strict no dual citizenship enforcement. Btw, it is in theory illegal to hold another citizenship if you have US citizenship, but it is not enforced.

[Arty]

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China’s political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

With Taiwan passport, you can get a China issued Taiwan passport pre their one China policy. Personally I think its more like a green card of China. This is one way you can get away from China’s strict no dual citizenship enforcement. Btw, it is in theory illegal to hold another citizenship if you have US citizenship, but it is not enforced.

[Coronita]

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

 

bsrsharma,

 

It's not that I feel America is going up in flames. If you are an immigrant that can be identified by you're exterior features, you might better understand my concern. See, throughout american history, when things went wrong with the economy, there was always a scapegoat. My concern is the China issue is going to be the next blame game factor. The issue really is that a lot of us ABC grew up here. We wouldn't want to live in Taiwan, China, Japan, etc because the environment is just different. But at the same time, some folks think when you look at us, you're one of them. If China/US relations go sour, it's anyone's guess how things are going to be here for some of us. Moving to China/Taiwan/Japan isn't an option for people like us, because it isn't our country to begin with. Canada is the only alternative, with similar culture to the U.S.

 

I guess for that reason I'm figuring out how to emigrate there if the sh!t really hits the fan wrto to China/US relations in the future. The only reason why this tension isn't already exacerbated is because the U.S. got distracted by 9/11 and the War on Terrorism. Once folks get over that, we'll need another "enemy" to think about. A good guage of this is Hollywood Movies…First it was the Russians in all the WW3 movies, then it was Vietnam with all the Chuck Norris…I wouldnt' be surprised if we more movies portraying China is enemy.

 

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China's political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

 

[Coronita]

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

 

bsrsharma,

 

It's not that I feel America is going up in flames. If you are an immigrant that can be identified by you're exterior features, you might better understand my concern. See, throughout american history, when things went wrong with the economy, there was always a scapegoat. My concern is the China issue is going to be the next blame game factor. The issue really is that a lot of us ABC grew up here. We wouldn't want to live in Taiwan, China, Japan, etc because the environment is just different. But at the same time, some folks think when you look at us, you're one of them. If China/US relations go sour, it's anyone's guess how things are going to be here for some of us. Moving to China/Taiwan/Japan isn't an option for people like us, because it isn't our country to begin with. Canada is the only alternative, with similar culture to the U.S.

 

I guess for that reason I'm figuring out how to emigrate there if the sh!t really hits the fan wrto to China/US relations in the future. The only reason why this tension isn't already exacerbated is because the U.S. got distracted by 9/11 and the War on Terrorism. Once folks get over that, we'll need another "enemy" to think about. A good guage of this is Hollywood Movies…First it was the Russians in all the WW3 movies, then it was Vietnam with all the Chuck Norris…I wouldnt' be surprised if we more movies portraying China is enemy.

 

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China's political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

 

[Coronita]

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

 

bsrsharma,

 

It's not that I feel America is going up in flames. If you are an immigrant that can be identified by you're exterior features, you might better understand my concern. See, throughout american history, when things went wrong with the economy, there was always a scapegoat. My concern is the China issue is going to be the next blame game factor. The issue really is that a lot of us ABC grew up here. We wouldn't want to live in Taiwan, China, Japan, etc because the environment is just different. But at the same time, some folks think when you look at us, you're one of them. If China/US relations go sour, it's anyone's guess how things are going to be here for some of us. Moving to China/Taiwan/Japan isn't an option for people like us, because it isn't our country to begin with. Canada is the only alternative, with similar culture to the U.S.

 

I guess for that reason I'm figuring out how to emigrate there if the sh!t really hits the fan wrto to China/US relations in the future. The only reason why this tension isn't already exacerbated is because the U.S. got distracted by 9/11 and the War on Terrorism. Once folks get over that, we'll need another "enemy" to think about. A good guage of this is Hollywood Movies…First it was the Russians in all the WW3 movies, then it was Vietnam with all the Chuck Norris…I wouldnt' be surprised if we more movies portraying China is enemy.

 

As far as dual passports. My parents hold both Taiwanese and US passports. But Taiwanese passport is the last thing I want to secure about. A rise in China's political power/economic power means Taiwan will eventually be assilated, voluntary or forced.

 

[bsrsharma]

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

[bsrsharma]

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

[bsrsharma]

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

Wow! I am amused at all this talk as though US is going to go up in flames or sink underwater! Hey, some people came here without even being sure that they can find food to eat (the very first attempt at settling here ended in starvation and death by winter). Now you have McDonalds selling burgers for 29 cents every 2 miles. How bad can it get in your lifetime for anyone to think of emigrating?

[ocrenter]

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

very true. thus Canada may be a viable option as really you are more culturally similar to Canadians vs Japanese.

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

[ocrenter]

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

very true. thus Canada may be a viable option as really you are more culturally similar to Canadians vs Japanese.

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

[ocrenter]

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

very true. thus Canada may be a viable option as really you are more culturally similar to Canadians vs Japanese.

as for 1st and 2nd generations here, always good to have that dual citizenship in your pocket, so keep those passports current!

[lamoneyguy]

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship.

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

[lamoneyguy]

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship.

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

[lamoneyguy]

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship.

If you are a third or fourth generation Asian American, who likely does not speak the language of our ancestors, and who may not have even visited the land of our ancestors, how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

If you are a sixth generation American of German ancestry, would you consider moving to Munich as “going back”?

[ocrenter]

“You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.”

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

PW: I lost my cousin during the Tet Offensive in 1968. He was with the Marines and was killed during the fighting for Hue City. I mention this because he was in my thoughts when I visited the Vietnam War Memorial, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. What Ms. Lin created was as true a memorial as I have ever seen. As a former soldier myself, it literally brought tears to my eyes, and it honors the loss and sacrifice of every one of those 58,000 soldiers, airmen, Marines and sailors who died there. To single her out for disparagement because of her ethnicity (and her age as well) is reprehensible, but entirely consistent with the rhetoric and jingoism that rears its ugly head in this country periodically.

I can remember movies like “Die Hard” and books like Crichton’s “Rising Sun” during the supposed Japanese takeover of the world. Same thing. I’m sure as China continues to ascend, we will undoubtedly focus on their hegemonic intentions as well.

What we really need to do is look inward and fix our own problems before demonizing someone else. But politicians are clever enough to recognize there are no votes in that course of action, so we’ll focus on the Chinese, or North Koreans, or “insert enemy of choice here”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

PW: I lost my cousin during the Tet Offensive in 1968. He was with the Marines and was killed during the fighting for Hue City. I mention this because he was in my thoughts when I visited the Vietnam War Memorial, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. What Ms. Lin created was as true a memorial as I have ever seen. As a former soldier myself, it literally brought tears to my eyes, and it honors the loss and sacrifice of every one of those 58,000 soldiers, airmen, Marines and sailors who died there. To single her out for disparagement because of her ethnicity (and her age as well) is reprehensible, but entirely consistent with the rhetoric and jingoism that rears its ugly head in this country periodically.

I can remember movies like “Die Hard” and books like Crichton’s “Rising Sun” during the supposed Japanese takeover of the world. Same thing. I’m sure as China continues to ascend, we will undoubtedly focus on their hegemonic intentions as well.

What we really need to do is look inward and fix our own problems before demonizing someone else. But politicians are clever enough to recognize there are no votes in that course of action, so we’ll focus on the Chinese, or North Koreans, or “insert enemy of choice here”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

PW: I lost my cousin during the Tet Offensive in 1968. He was with the Marines and was killed during the fighting for Hue City. I mention this because he was in my thoughts when I visited the Vietnam War Memorial, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. What Ms. Lin created was as true a memorial as I have ever seen. As a former soldier myself, it literally brought tears to my eyes, and it honors the loss and sacrifice of every one of those 58,000 soldiers, airmen, Marines and sailors who died there. To single her out for disparagement because of her ethnicity (and her age as well) is reprehensible, but entirely consistent with the rhetoric and jingoism that rears its ugly head in this country periodically.

I can remember movies like “Die Hard” and books like Crichton’s “Rising Sun” during the supposed Japanese takeover of the world. Same thing. I’m sure as China continues to ascend, we will undoubtedly focus on their hegemonic intentions as well.

What we really need to do is look inward and fix our own problems before demonizing someone else. But politicians are clever enough to recognize there are no votes in that course of action, so we’ll focus on the Chinese, or North Koreans, or “insert enemy of choice here”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

PW: I lost my cousin during the Tet Offensive in 1968. He was with the Marines and was killed during the fighting for Hue City. I mention this because he was in my thoughts when I visited the Vietnam War Memorial, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. What Ms. Lin created was as true a memorial as I have ever seen. As a former soldier myself, it literally brought tears to my eyes, and it honors the loss and sacrifice of every one of those 58,000 soldiers, airmen, Marines and sailors who died there. To single her out for disparagement because of her ethnicity (and her age as well) is reprehensible, but entirely consistent with the rhetoric and jingoism that rears its ugly head in this country periodically.

I can remember movies like “Die Hard” and books like Crichton’s “Rising Sun” during the supposed Japanese takeover of the world. Same thing. I’m sure as China continues to ascend, we will undoubtedly focus on their hegemonic intentions as well.

What we really need to do is look inward and fix our own problems before demonizing someone else. But politicians are clever enough to recognize there are no votes in that course of action, so we’ll focus on the Chinese, or North Koreans, or “insert enemy of choice here”.

[Arty]

how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

Why not? Today you will be more popular in China speaking English than speaking Chinese. I don’t know about 10 years from now. However, a lot of so call German russians are going back to Germany.

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

You can’t have two passports. Funny the enforcement is actaully from the China side not the American side. The application is actually very quick if you are willing to denouce your American citizenship. For example, a lot of former German russians are moving back to German as long as they can proof their linkage.

I won’t worry about hate crime. I know a lot of newer generations are legally packing heat. One of my best friends have a storage facility with over 60 guns. A lot of us are taking American consitution to the bone.

[Arty]

how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

Why not? Today you will be more popular in China speaking English than speaking Chinese. I don’t know about 10 years from now. However, a lot of so call German russians are going back to Germany.

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

You can’t have two passports. Funny the enforcement is actaully from the China side not the American side. The application is actually very quick if you are willing to denouce your American citizenship. For example, a lot of former German russians are moving back to German as long as they can proof their linkage.

I won’t worry about hate crime. I know a lot of newer generations are legally packing heat. One of my best friends have a storage facility with over 60 guns. A lot of us are taking American consitution to the bone.

[Arty]

how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

Why not? Today you will be more popular in China speaking English than speaking Chinese. I don’t know about 10 years from now. However, a lot of so call German russians are going back to Germany.

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

You can’t have two passports. Funny the enforcement is actaully from the China side not the American side. The application is actually very quick if you are willing to denouce your American citizenship. For example, a lot of former German russians are moving back to German as long as they can proof their linkage.

I won’t worry about hate crime. I know a lot of newer generations are legally packing heat. One of my best friends have a storage facility with over 60 guns. A lot of us are taking American consitution to the bone.

[Arty]

how is it we can “always go back”? I was born and raised in California. So were my parents.

Why not? Today you will be more popular in China speaking English than speaking Chinese. I don’t know about 10 years from now. However, a lot of so call German russians are going back to Germany.

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

You can’t have two passports. Funny the enforcement is actaully from the China side not the American side. The application is actually very quick if you are willing to denouce your American citizenship. For example, a lot of former German russians are moving back to German as long as they can proof their linkage.

I won’t worry about hate crime. I know a lot of newer generations are legally packing heat. One of my best friends have a storage facility with over 60 guns. A lot of us are taking American consitution to the bone.

[ocrenter]

“You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.”

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

[ocrenter]

“You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.”

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

[ocrenter]

“You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.”

well, just in case, keep those passports current and make sure to apply one for the kiddies that are born here in the States.

[Arty]

This is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.

Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?

[Arty]

This is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.

Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?

[Arty]

This is mainly a question for some of you american born asians living here who don’t really have an option of “going home” to japan/korea/china/taiwan…..

You can always go back even you don’t have citizenship. The law is based on your bloodline not where you born. However, if you parents didn’t force you to learn Chinese, I feel sorry for you.

Also, do you know Chinese has won every single court case against law made specific against Chinese?

[bsrsharma]

Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson

For sake of accuracy, Prop 187 was against Illegal Immigrants and not Hispanics or other immigrants. I don't see much sense in calling illegal immigrants as immigrants and complaining every action to inconvenience them as immigrant bashing.

[patientlywaiting]

Thanks Rustico. I see no use use in burying my head in the sand and only look at the positive aspects of life. Life is much richer if you examine it.

On the topic of Asian bashing, I still remember the outrage over the Vietnam War Memorial. The fact that an Asian, Maya Lin (who was young and viet-cong looking) designed it was an affront to many Americans who felt humiliated by the loss of the war to peasant communists. It turns out that the Vietnam Memorial is the best, most interactive, of all the war memorials we have. It’s absolutely moving to see people touching the wall and remembering their loved ones. There’s a good documentary about Maya Lin. You can rent it on DVD.

It’s sad that few young people know the history of their own country.

Prop 187 was anti immigrant in tone and rhetoric. The fact is that we need immigrant workers to grow the economy. But no politician has the courage to say to the the voters. Our economic system encourages immigration (legal and illegal) but our political system keeps a whole class of people in the underground. That is not humane.

Yes, America is fair and generous. Eventually, we fix out mistakes. But it doesn’t mean we don’t make mistakes and people don’t suffer.

[patientlywaiting]

Lastly, the biggest threat to America's supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we'll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

I completely agree with this. America is a great country. I too hope we can get back on track.

[patientlywaiting]

Lastly, the biggest threat to America's supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we'll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

I completely agree with this. America is a great country. I too hope we can get back on track.

[patientlywaiting]

Lastly, the biggest threat to America's supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we'll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

I completely agree with this. America is a great country. I too hope we can get back on track.

[patientlywaiting]

Lastly, the biggest threat to America's supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we'll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

I completely agree with this. America is a great country. I too hope we can get back on track.

[patientlywaiting]

Thanks Rustico. I see no use use in burying my head in the sand and only look at the positive aspects of life. Life is much richer if you examine it.

On the topic of Asian bashing, I still remember the outrage over the Vietnam War Memorial. The fact that an Asian, Maya Lin (who was young and viet-cong looking) designed it was an affront to many Americans who felt humiliated by the loss of the war to peasant communists. It turns out that the Vietnam Memorial is the best, most interactive, of all the war memorials we have. It’s absolutely moving to see people touching the wall and remembering their loved ones. There’s a good documentary about Maya Lin. You can rent it on DVD.

It’s sad that few young people know the history of their own country.

Prop 187 was anti immigrant in tone and rhetoric. The fact is that we need immigrant workers to grow the economy. But no politician has the courage to say to the the voters. Our economic system encourages immigration (legal and illegal) but our political system keeps a whole class of people in the underground. That is not humane.

Yes, America is fair and generous. Eventually, we fix out mistakes. But it doesn’t mean we don’t make mistakes and people don’t suffer.

[patientlywaiting]

Thanks Rustico. I see no use use in burying my head in the sand and only look at the positive aspects of life. Life is much richer if you examine it.

On the topic of Asian bashing, I still remember the outrage over the Vietnam War Memorial. The fact that an Asian, Maya Lin (who was young and viet-cong looking) designed it was an affront to many Americans who felt humiliated by the loss of the war to peasant communists. It turns out that the Vietnam Memorial is the best, most interactive, of all the war memorials we have. It’s absolutely moving to see people touching the wall and remembering their loved ones. There’s a good documentary about Maya Lin. You can rent it on DVD.

It’s sad that few young people know the history of their own country.

Prop 187 was anti immigrant in tone and rhetoric. The fact is that we need immigrant workers to grow the economy. But no politician has the courage to say to the the voters. Our economic system encourages immigration (legal and illegal) but our political system keeps a whole class of people in the underground. That is not humane.

Yes, America is fair and generous. Eventually, we fix out mistakes. But it doesn’t mean we don’t make mistakes and people don’t suffer.

[patientlywaiting]

Thanks Rustico. I see no use use in burying my head in the sand and only look at the positive aspects of life. Life is much richer if you examine it.

On the topic of Asian bashing, I still remember the outrage over the Vietnam War Memorial. The fact that an Asian, Maya Lin (who was young and viet-cong looking) designed it was an affront to many Americans who felt humiliated by the loss of the war to peasant communists. It turns out that the Vietnam Memorial is the best, most interactive, of all the war memorials we have. It’s absolutely moving to see people touching the wall and remembering their loved ones. There’s a good documentary about Maya Lin. You can rent it on DVD.

It’s sad that few young people know the history of their own country.

Prop 187 was anti immigrant in tone and rhetoric. The fact is that we need immigrant workers to grow the economy. But no politician has the courage to say to the the voters. Our economic system encourages immigration (legal and illegal) but our political system keeps a whole class of people in the underground. That is not humane.

Yes, America is fair and generous. Eventually, we fix out mistakes. But it doesn’t mean we don’t make mistakes and people don’t suffer.

[bsrsharma]

Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson

For sake of accuracy, Prop 187 was against Illegal Immigrants and not Hispanics or other immigrants. I don't see much sense in calling illegal immigrants as immigrants and complaining every action to inconvenience them as immigrant bashing.

[bsrsharma]

Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson

For sake of accuracy, Prop 187 was against Illegal Immigrants and not Hispanics or other immigrants. I don't see much sense in calling illegal immigrants as immigrants and complaining every action to inconvenience them as immigrant bashing.

[bsrsharma]

Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson

For sake of accuracy, Prop 187 was against Illegal Immigrants and not Hispanics or other immigrants. I don't see much sense in calling illegal immigrants as immigrants and complaining every action to inconvenience them as immigrant bashing.

[patientlywaiting]

I would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.

Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).

I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.

Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.

I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.

As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).

The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.

Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.

San Diego is still a parochial small town city.

[patientlywaiting]

I would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.

Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).

I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.

Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.

I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.

As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).

The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.

Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.

San Diego is still a parochial small town city.

[patientlywaiting]

I would not be surprised of some Chinese backlash especially if there’s a war — maybe not a direct war but a proxy war.

Look at how Arab Americans are being treated now (pulled for security checks at airports and the like).

I think that, in the end, America is a fair society but there will be periods of paranoia that will makes it very unpleasant for the people targeted.

Unfortunately, politicians sense the voters sense of insecurity and play on that. Look at how the Hispanic immigrants were targeted by Pete Wilson in the 1990s and again now. They do all the shitty work, get the shitty pay, but are targeted at every turn by the politicians. Legal or nor, when the recession hits, you’ll see more Hispanic bashing.

I have a Chinese-American friend who grew up in the 1960s in the South. He tells me he that felt undue pressure to conform because of the communist scare. He didn’t have many friends so concentrated on his studies and got a JD from a top school. He wishes that his parents taught him Chinese so he could have more opportunities in a globalized world. He thinks the more recent prosperous Asian immigrants who come to America for university and can easily move between the two worlds are very lucky.

As far as Canada goes, the Asians are especially well treated in Vancouver. My Chinese friends, says that Vancouver is the only place in the Western world where, if you’re Asian and walk into an expensive store, the staff will be especially helpful (thanks to all the money from Hong Kong).

The Chinese clearly dominate the economy in Vancouver and Whites know that without the Asians, Vancouver would not be what it is.

Toronto is a big cosmopolitan city like New York.

San Diego is still a parochial small town city.

[NotCranky]

I lost my wonderful, well thought out post Allan. Anyway I have contemplated the internment issues from many angles. I have even seen essays by Japanese of the era who had the opinion that it was not completely unjustified. As you point out Japan then Vs. China now are completely different.
Anyway, FLU was more concerned of ramifications that occured circa 1980 and I don’t blame him. I don’t have confidence that the U.S.,from the upper levels of power to the blue collar guy who will go ape shit when he losses his job in the factories, is very different with regards to the tendancies you describe in your last paragraph,over the entire time frame discussed so far.

I am sure we both wish it were better.

Disclaimer: editing issues due to feeding baby and having already lost a perfect work of art on the topic…Good luck reading that.

[NotCranky]

I lost my wonderful, well thought out post Allan. Anyway I have contemplated the internment issues from many angles. I have even seen essays by Japanese of the era who had the opinion that it was not completely unjustified. As you point out Japan then Vs. China now are completely different.
Anyway, FLU was more concerned of ramifications that occured circa 1980 and I don’t blame him. I don’t have confidence that the U.S.,from the upper levels of power to the blue collar guy who will go ape shit when he losses his job in the factories, is very different with regards to the tendancies you describe in your last paragraph,over the entire time frame discussed so far.

I am sure we both wish it were better.

Disclaimer: editing issues due to feeding baby and having already lost a perfect work of art on the topic…Good luck reading that.

[NotCranky]

I lost my wonderful, well thought out post Allan. Anyway I have contemplated the internment issues from many angles. I have even seen essays by Japanese of the era who had the opinion that it was not completely unjustified. As you point out Japan then Vs. China now are completely different.
Anyway, FLU was more concerned of ramifications that occured circa 1980 and I don’t blame him. I don’t have confidence that the U.S.,from the upper levels of power to the blue collar guy who will go ape shit when he losses his job in the factories, is very different with regards to the tendancies you describe in your last paragraph,over the entire time frame discussed so far.

I am sure we both wish it were better.

Disclaimer: editing issues due to feeding baby and having already lost a perfect work of art on the topic…Good luck reading that.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rustico: While I think that internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII is a black mark on America’s reputation, you also have to put it into context: The Japanese had just attacked Pearl Harbor (with the help of Japanese spies in the Hawaiian islands), they had been running rampant in the Pacific, China and Mongolia and were potentially a threat to the west coast of the US.

You might also remember that German-Americans and Italian-Americans were also being interned, mainly members of the Bund and the Italian-American Friendship Society.

I don’t see a huge backlash against Chinese-Americans, and I would caution those that see China reprising the role of Japan, Inc. during the 1980s to please remember how that turned out for Japan.

Lastly, the biggest threat to America’s supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we’ll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rustico: While I think that internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII is a black mark on America’s reputation, you also have to put it into context: The Japanese had just attacked Pearl Harbor (with the help of Japanese spies in the Hawaiian islands), they had been running rampant in the Pacific, China and Mongolia and were potentially a threat to the west coast of the US.

You might also remember that German-Americans and Italian-Americans were also being interned, mainly members of the Bund and the Italian-American Friendship Society.

I don’t see a huge backlash against Chinese-Americans, and I would caution those that see China reprising the role of Japan, Inc. during the 1980s to please remember how that turned out for Japan.

Lastly, the biggest threat to America’s supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we’ll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rustico: While I think that internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII is a black mark on America’s reputation, you also have to put it into context: The Japanese had just attacked Pearl Harbor (with the help of Japanese spies in the Hawaiian islands), they had been running rampant in the Pacific, China and Mongolia and were potentially a threat to the west coast of the US.

You might also remember that German-Americans and Italian-Americans were also being interned, mainly members of the Bund and the Italian-American Friendship Society.

I don’t see a huge backlash against Chinese-Americans, and I would caution those that see China reprising the role of Japan, Inc. during the 1980s to please remember how that turned out for Japan.

Lastly, the biggest threat to America’s supremacy is America itself. The mess we are in at present is entirely of our own creation. Hubris, ignorance and greed have landed us in the soup and we’ll see if this generation has the sand to knuckle down and get ourselves back on track.

[NotCranky]

That is just awful. You might take heart in the fact that Arabs and Muslims are not being rounded up in mass and put in internment camps at the current time as the Japanese were in WW2. I expect propaganda and backlash against any threat to U.S. agenda or supremacy but let’s hope nothing like that will ever happen again with so little justice. It is just disturbing. See Arraya’s post about monkeys in the “Love of God or money thread”.

http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/read/snow/
That is a book you might like, also a movie.

[NotCranky]

That is just awful. You might take heart in the fact that Arabs and Muslims are not being rounded up in mass and put in internment camps at the current time as the Japanese were in WW2. I expect propaganda and backlash against any threat to U.S. agenda or supremacy but let’s hope nothing like that will ever happen again with so little justice. It is just disturbing. See Arraya’s post about monkeys in the “Love of God or money thread”.

http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/read/snow/
That is a book you might like, also a movie.

[NotCranky]

That is just awful. You might take heart in the fact that Arabs and Muslims are not being rounded up in mass and put in internment camps at the current time as the Japanese were in WW2. I expect propaganda and backlash against any threat to U.S. agenda or supremacy but let’s hope nothing like that will ever happen again with so little justice. It is just disturbing. See Arraya’s post about monkeys in the “Love of God or money thread”.

http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/read/snow/
That is a book you might like, also a movie.

[pepsi]

According to the judge on the Vincent Chin's case:

" You don't make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal"

I guess that gives a lot of "nice" guys the license to kill…

Hey, I am a nice guy, too….

[pepsi]

According to the judge on the Vincent Chin's case:

" You don't make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal"

I guess that gives a lot of "nice" guys the license to kill…

Hey, I am a nice guy, too….

[pepsi]

According to the judge on the Vincent Chin's case:

" You don't make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal"

I guess that gives a lot of "nice" guys the license to kill…

Hey, I am a nice guy, too….

[pepsi]

According to the judge on the Vincent Chin's case:

" You don't make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal"

I guess that gives a lot of "nice" guys the license to kill…

Hey, I am a nice guy, too….

[Coronita]

For reference…

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin

 

Although, I didn't know about the Federal civil charges after the state slap on the hand… I sort of feel better now. Ok, not really.

 

 

[Coronita]

For reference…

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin

 

Although, I didn't know about the Federal civil charges after the state slap on the hand… I sort of feel better now. Ok, not really.

 

 

[Coronita]

For reference…

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin

 

Although, I didn't know about the Federal civil charges after the state slap on the hand… I sort of feel better now. Ok, not really.

 

 

[bsrsharma]

US is much different now from WW II days. During WW II days, racial segregation was completely legal, even in military. Today, US is extremely diverse, highly tolerant with more than even protection extended to “minorities” { Affirmative action, Voting rights etc., }. So, I think the fear of ABC/Chinese bashing is not very rational. Now, if you are in Mississippi, Alabama… etc., well, you would be already aware of how they look upon “outsiders”.

[bsrsharma]

US is much different now from WW II days. During WW II days, racial segregation was completely legal, even in military. Today, US is extremely diverse, highly tolerant with more than even protection extended to “minorities” { Affirmative action, Voting rights etc., }. So, I think the fear of ABC/Chinese bashing is not very rational. Now, if you are in Mississippi, Alabama… etc., well, you would be already aware of how they look upon “outsiders”.

[bsrsharma]

US is much different now from WW II days. During WW II days, racial segregation was completely legal, even in military. Today, US is extremely diverse, highly tolerant with more than even protection extended to “minorities” { Affirmative action, Voting rights etc., }. So, I think the fear of ABC/Chinese bashing is not very rational. Now, if you are in Mississippi, Alabama… etc., well, you would be already aware of how they look upon “outsiders”.

[bsrsharma]

US is much different now from WW II days. During WW II days, racial segregation was completely legal, even in military. Today, US is extremely diverse, highly tolerant with more than even protection extended to “minorities” { Affirmative action, Voting rights etc., }. So, I think the fear of ABC/Chinese bashing is not very rational. Now, if you are in Mississippi, Alabama… etc., well, you would be already aware of how they look upon “outsiders”.

[gold_dredger_phd]

We need cheap, illegal immigrant labor because businesses do not want to give pay increases to attract native workers. If they cannot stay in business without the illegal immigrants, then they should just move the plant to Mexico or the Phillipines or wherever.

Cheap labor is necessary so Wall Street does not have to contend with wage inflation, which is real inflation, not when asset bubbles happen.

[gold_dredger_phd]

We need cheap, illegal immigrant labor because businesses do not want to give pay increases to attract native workers. If they cannot stay in business without the illegal immigrants, then they should just move the plant to Mexico or the Phillipines or wherever.

Cheap labor is necessary so Wall Street does not have to contend with wage inflation, which is real inflation, not when asset bubbles happen.

[gold_dredger_phd]

We need cheap, illegal immigrant labor because businesses do not want to give pay increases to attract native workers. If they cannot stay in business without the illegal immigrants, then they should just move the plant to Mexico or the Phillipines or wherever.

Cheap labor is necessary so Wall Street does not have to contend with wage inflation, which is real inflation, not when asset bubbles happen.

[gold_dredger_phd]

We need cheap, illegal immigrant labor because businesses do not want to give pay increases to attract native workers. If they cannot stay in business without the illegal immigrants, then they should just move the plant to Mexico or the Phillipines or wherever.

Cheap labor is necessary so Wall Street does not have to contend with wage inflation, which is real inflation, not when asset bubbles happen.

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