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January 23, 2011 at 10:05 AM #658324January 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM #657201
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Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb]There are 1%ers in Chula Vista. Sorry BG. I know cops and it’s not a secret. Well known. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean all CV is bad. North County is all fairly new.
This is going a little off, but just wanted to make a point about the newness of neighborhoods and what can sometimes happen, not always and probably not to sdr’s sacred nirvana.
Pomona is a pretty old city and was at one time considered “special.” Now, let’s just say it is multi-racial.
I personally wouldn’t want to live there. But if you drive in the area, you can see old missions and some extremely beautiful homes, the likes of Pasadena. But I don’t consider it a safe area generally.
It is very difficult, IMO, to determine what a neighborhood would be like 50 years from now. Maybe it won’t matter much to some of us anyway.[/quote]
Another perfect example of this is parts of downtown Los Angeles or Hollywood. Truly stunning homes that were once owned by some of the wealthiest people in the country, only to become sub-divided and turned into tenement buildings as the neighborhoods changed.
It can happen anywhere.[/quote]
jpinpb and CAR, in western Chula Vista (91910), there has been no big changes in the last 25 years that I can see, except for the modernization of Scripps CV Hospital (formerly Bay General) and a new mid-century style 8-story high rise project on 3rd & H (in the dtn area). Most of the longtime homeowners and business owners in this area are still in (place) today (or their “heirs.”) The “stunning homes” are still here, many owned outright. I frequently walk my dog in the dark, alone and see several other females doing same. As you know, SD county doesn’t have “tenements.” The only large apt complexes we have here are a sr. citizen high-rise and sr. citizen board-and-care/independent-living unit project. A very high degree of wealth is concentrated in western Chula Vista and many longtime homeowners also own commercial propertie(s) within two miles of their homes. National City also has a large pocket of owners who have a high net worth and multiple property holdings. Not sure what you are getting at here, but all I can tell you is that if all you are doing is driving the “main drags” in Chula Vista and then hopping back on the fwy, then you might think it is a little “nondescript.” Looks can be VERY deceiving :=]
OTOH, the “sacred nirvana” has several “Section 8” complexes as well as dozens of units set aside for under-market-rate programs for “working class” tenants.
Who has the last laugh, Piggs? An area with an average home value of $300K where the avg mortgage indebtedness is =<$70K or an area with an average home value of $575K the avg mortgage indebtedness is =>$410K? Have all these “youngish” buyers with minor kids who are no doubt paying FICA/HOA/MR every month in “sacred nirvana” had the time and resources to invest in pkg lots, local strip malls, local businesses, rental houses, multi-family units, etc?? I don’t think so.
January 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM #657262Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb]There are 1%ers in Chula Vista. Sorry BG. I know cops and it’s not a secret. Well known. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean all CV is bad. North County is all fairly new.
This is going a little off, but just wanted to make a point about the newness of neighborhoods and what can sometimes happen, not always and probably not to sdr’s sacred nirvana.
Pomona is a pretty old city and was at one time considered “special.” Now, let’s just say it is multi-racial.
I personally wouldn’t want to live there. But if you drive in the area, you can see old missions and some extremely beautiful homes, the likes of Pasadena. But I don’t consider it a safe area generally.
It is very difficult, IMO, to determine what a neighborhood would be like 50 years from now. Maybe it won’t matter much to some of us anyway.[/quote]
Another perfect example of this is parts of downtown Los Angeles or Hollywood. Truly stunning homes that were once owned by some of the wealthiest people in the country, only to become sub-divided and turned into tenement buildings as the neighborhoods changed.
It can happen anywhere.[/quote]
jpinpb and CAR, in western Chula Vista (91910), there has been no big changes in the last 25 years that I can see, except for the modernization of Scripps CV Hospital (formerly Bay General) and a new mid-century style 8-story high rise project on 3rd & H (in the dtn area). Most of the longtime homeowners and business owners in this area are still in (place) today (or their “heirs.”) The “stunning homes” are still here, many owned outright. I frequently walk my dog in the dark, alone and see several other females doing same. As you know, SD county doesn’t have “tenements.” The only large apt complexes we have here are a sr. citizen high-rise and sr. citizen board-and-care/independent-living unit project. A very high degree of wealth is concentrated in western Chula Vista and many longtime homeowners also own commercial propertie(s) within two miles of their homes. National City also has a large pocket of owners who have a high net worth and multiple property holdings. Not sure what you are getting at here, but all I can tell you is that if all you are doing is driving the “main drags” in Chula Vista and then hopping back on the fwy, then you might think it is a little “nondescript.” Looks can be VERY deceiving :=]
OTOH, the “sacred nirvana” has several “Section 8” complexes as well as dozens of units set aside for under-market-rate programs for “working class” tenants.
Who has the last laugh, Piggs? An area with an average home value of $300K where the avg mortgage indebtedness is =<$70K or an area with an average home value of $575K the avg mortgage indebtedness is =>$410K? Have all these “youngish” buyers with minor kids who are no doubt paying FICA/HOA/MR every month in “sacred nirvana” had the time and resources to invest in pkg lots, local strip malls, local businesses, rental houses, multi-family units, etc?? I don’t think so.
January 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM #657861Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb]There are 1%ers in Chula Vista. Sorry BG. I know cops and it’s not a secret. Well known. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean all CV is bad. North County is all fairly new.
This is going a little off, but just wanted to make a point about the newness of neighborhoods and what can sometimes happen, not always and probably not to sdr’s sacred nirvana.
Pomona is a pretty old city and was at one time considered “special.” Now, let’s just say it is multi-racial.
I personally wouldn’t want to live there. But if you drive in the area, you can see old missions and some extremely beautiful homes, the likes of Pasadena. But I don’t consider it a safe area generally.
It is very difficult, IMO, to determine what a neighborhood would be like 50 years from now. Maybe it won’t matter much to some of us anyway.[/quote]
Another perfect example of this is parts of downtown Los Angeles or Hollywood. Truly stunning homes that were once owned by some of the wealthiest people in the country, only to become sub-divided and turned into tenement buildings as the neighborhoods changed.
It can happen anywhere.[/quote]
jpinpb and CAR, in western Chula Vista (91910), there has been no big changes in the last 25 years that I can see, except for the modernization of Scripps CV Hospital (formerly Bay General) and a new mid-century style 8-story high rise project on 3rd & H (in the dtn area). Most of the longtime homeowners and business owners in this area are still in (place) today (or their “heirs.”) The “stunning homes” are still here, many owned outright. I frequently walk my dog in the dark, alone and see several other females doing same. As you know, SD county doesn’t have “tenements.” The only large apt complexes we have here are a sr. citizen high-rise and sr. citizen board-and-care/independent-living unit project. A very high degree of wealth is concentrated in western Chula Vista and many longtime homeowners also own commercial propertie(s) within two miles of their homes. National City also has a large pocket of owners who have a high net worth and multiple property holdings. Not sure what you are getting at here, but all I can tell you is that if all you are doing is driving the “main drags” in Chula Vista and then hopping back on the fwy, then you might think it is a little “nondescript.” Looks can be VERY deceiving :=]
OTOH, the “sacred nirvana” has several “Section 8” complexes as well as dozens of units set aside for under-market-rate programs for “working class” tenants.
Who has the last laugh, Piggs? An area with an average home value of $300K where the avg mortgage indebtedness is =<$70K or an area with an average home value of $575K the avg mortgage indebtedness is =>$410K? Have all these “youngish” buyers with minor kids who are no doubt paying FICA/HOA/MR every month in “sacred nirvana” had the time and resources to invest in pkg lots, local strip malls, local businesses, rental houses, multi-family units, etc?? I don’t think so.
January 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM #657999Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb]There are 1%ers in Chula Vista. Sorry BG. I know cops and it’s not a secret. Well known. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean all CV is bad. North County is all fairly new.
This is going a little off, but just wanted to make a point about the newness of neighborhoods and what can sometimes happen, not always and probably not to sdr’s sacred nirvana.
Pomona is a pretty old city and was at one time considered “special.” Now, let’s just say it is multi-racial.
I personally wouldn’t want to live there. But if you drive in the area, you can see old missions and some extremely beautiful homes, the likes of Pasadena. But I don’t consider it a safe area generally.
It is very difficult, IMO, to determine what a neighborhood would be like 50 years from now. Maybe it won’t matter much to some of us anyway.[/quote]
Another perfect example of this is parts of downtown Los Angeles or Hollywood. Truly stunning homes that were once owned by some of the wealthiest people in the country, only to become sub-divided and turned into tenement buildings as the neighborhoods changed.
It can happen anywhere.[/quote]
jpinpb and CAR, in western Chula Vista (91910), there has been no big changes in the last 25 years that I can see, except for the modernization of Scripps CV Hospital (formerly Bay General) and a new mid-century style 8-story high rise project on 3rd & H (in the dtn area). Most of the longtime homeowners and business owners in this area are still in (place) today (or their “heirs.”) The “stunning homes” are still here, many owned outright. I frequently walk my dog in the dark, alone and see several other females doing same. As you know, SD county doesn’t have “tenements.” The only large apt complexes we have here are a sr. citizen high-rise and sr. citizen board-and-care/independent-living unit project. A very high degree of wealth is concentrated in western Chula Vista and many longtime homeowners also own commercial propertie(s) within two miles of their homes. National City also has a large pocket of owners who have a high net worth and multiple property holdings. Not sure what you are getting at here, but all I can tell you is that if all you are doing is driving the “main drags” in Chula Vista and then hopping back on the fwy, then you might think it is a little “nondescript.” Looks can be VERY deceiving :=]
OTOH, the “sacred nirvana” has several “Section 8” complexes as well as dozens of units set aside for under-market-rate programs for “working class” tenants.
Who has the last laugh, Piggs? An area with an average home value of $300K where the avg mortgage indebtedness is =<$70K or an area with an average home value of $575K the avg mortgage indebtedness is =>$410K? Have all these “youngish” buyers with minor kids who are no doubt paying FICA/HOA/MR every month in “sacred nirvana” had the time and resources to invest in pkg lots, local strip malls, local businesses, rental houses, multi-family units, etc?? I don’t think so.
January 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM #658329Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jpinpb]There are 1%ers in Chula Vista. Sorry BG. I know cops and it’s not a secret. Well known. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean all CV is bad. North County is all fairly new.
This is going a little off, but just wanted to make a point about the newness of neighborhoods and what can sometimes happen, not always and probably not to sdr’s sacred nirvana.
Pomona is a pretty old city and was at one time considered “special.” Now, let’s just say it is multi-racial.
I personally wouldn’t want to live there. But if you drive in the area, you can see old missions and some extremely beautiful homes, the likes of Pasadena. But I don’t consider it a safe area generally.
It is very difficult, IMO, to determine what a neighborhood would be like 50 years from now. Maybe it won’t matter much to some of us anyway.[/quote]
Another perfect example of this is parts of downtown Los Angeles or Hollywood. Truly stunning homes that were once owned by some of the wealthiest people in the country, only to become sub-divided and turned into tenement buildings as the neighborhoods changed.
It can happen anywhere.[/quote]
jpinpb and CAR, in western Chula Vista (91910), there has been no big changes in the last 25 years that I can see, except for the modernization of Scripps CV Hospital (formerly Bay General) and a new mid-century style 8-story high rise project on 3rd & H (in the dtn area). Most of the longtime homeowners and business owners in this area are still in (place) today (or their “heirs.”) The “stunning homes” are still here, many owned outright. I frequently walk my dog in the dark, alone and see several other females doing same. As you know, SD county doesn’t have “tenements.” The only large apt complexes we have here are a sr. citizen high-rise and sr. citizen board-and-care/independent-living unit project. A very high degree of wealth is concentrated in western Chula Vista and many longtime homeowners also own commercial propertie(s) within two miles of their homes. National City also has a large pocket of owners who have a high net worth and multiple property holdings. Not sure what you are getting at here, but all I can tell you is that if all you are doing is driving the “main drags” in Chula Vista and then hopping back on the fwy, then you might think it is a little “nondescript.” Looks can be VERY deceiving :=]
OTOH, the “sacred nirvana” has several “Section 8” complexes as well as dozens of units set aside for under-market-rate programs for “working class” tenants.
Who has the last laugh, Piggs? An area with an average home value of $300K where the avg mortgage indebtedness is =<$70K or an area with an average home value of $575K the avg mortgage indebtedness is =>$410K? Have all these “youngish” buyers with minor kids who are no doubt paying FICA/HOA/MR every month in “sacred nirvana” had the time and resources to invest in pkg lots, local strip malls, local businesses, rental houses, multi-family units, etc?? I don’t think so.
January 23, 2011 at 11:28 PM #657330CA renter
ParticipantBG,
My comment wasn’t directed at you. Just confirming what jp said about nice neighborhoods deteriorating. It can happen anywhere…Chula Vista, L.A., even “Nirvana, NCC.” 😉
January 23, 2011 at 11:28 PM #657391ParticipantBG,
My comment wasn’t directed at you. Just confirming what jp said about nice neighborhoods deteriorating. It can happen anywhere…Chula Vista, L.A., even “Nirvana, NCC.” 😉
January 23, 2011 at 11:28 PM #657991ParticipantBG,
My comment wasn’t directed at you. Just confirming what jp said about nice neighborhoods deteriorating. It can happen anywhere…Chula Vista, L.A., even “Nirvana, NCC.” 😉
January 23, 2011 at 11:28 PM #658130ParticipantBG,
My comment wasn’t directed at you. Just confirming what jp said about nice neighborhoods deteriorating. It can happen anywhere…Chula Vista, L.A., even “Nirvana, NCC.” 😉
January 23, 2011 at 11:28 PM #658459ParticipantBG,
My comment wasn’t directed at you. Just confirming what jp said about nice neighborhoods deteriorating. It can happen anywhere…Chula Vista, L.A., even “Nirvana, NCC.” 😉
January 24, 2011 at 8:43 AM #657380all
ParticipantDid you provision for illegally owned firearm? Or do Black people use eye gouging and testicular kicks to kill each other in DC? Once the authorities in Chicago and D.C. see this analysis they’ll solve their problem by arming everyone.
Ex-scaredy asked if a gun in every hand would make everyone feel safer. I say it might make people feel safe, but it will not truly make them safe. Instead, disturbed people (and apparently big bad black dudes not involved with NFL or NBA) will have a tool to project their disturbance onto soccer moms with three kids on the back seat and a gun in the attic safe.
I totally get TG’s “that’s the way I like it and if you don’t like that it’s your problem, not mine” position. But I don’t think adults need to pretend that somehow their toys are what’s keeping them safe.
January 24, 2011 at 8:43 AM #657440ParticipantDid you provision for illegally owned firearm? Or do Black people use eye gouging and testicular kicks to kill each other in DC? Once the authorities in Chicago and D.C. see this analysis they’ll solve their problem by arming everyone.
Ex-scaredy asked if a gun in every hand would make everyone feel safer. I say it might make people feel safe, but it will not truly make them safe. Instead, disturbed people (and apparently big bad black dudes not involved with NFL or NBA) will have a tool to project their disturbance onto soccer moms with three kids on the back seat and a gun in the attic safe.
I totally get TG’s “that’s the way I like it and if you don’t like that it’s your problem, not mine” position. But I don’t think adults need to pretend that somehow their toys are what’s keeping them safe.
January 24, 2011 at 8:43 AM #658041ParticipantDid you provision for illegally owned firearm? Or do Black people use eye gouging and testicular kicks to kill each other in DC? Once the authorities in Chicago and D.C. see this analysis they’ll solve their problem by arming everyone.
Ex-scaredy asked if a gun in every hand would make everyone feel safer. I say it might make people feel safe, but it will not truly make them safe. Instead, disturbed people (and apparently big bad black dudes not involved with NFL or NBA) will have a tool to project their disturbance onto soccer moms with three kids on the back seat and a gun in the attic safe.
I totally get TG’s “that’s the way I like it and if you don’t like that it’s your problem, not mine” position. But I don’t think adults need to pretend that somehow their toys are what’s keeping them safe.
January 24, 2011 at 8:43 AM #658181ParticipantDid you provision for illegally owned firearm? Or do Black people use eye gouging and testicular kicks to kill each other in DC? Once the authorities in Chicago and D.C. see this analysis they’ll solve their problem by arming everyone.
Ex-scaredy asked if a gun in every hand would make everyone feel safer. I say it might make people feel safe, but it will not truly make them safe. Instead, disturbed people (and apparently big bad black dudes not involved with NFL or NBA) will have a tool to project their disturbance onto soccer moms with three kids on the back seat and a gun in the attic safe.
I totally get TG’s “that’s the way I like it and if you don’t like that it’s your problem, not mine” position. But I don’t think adults need to pretend that somehow their toys are what’s keeping them safe.
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