OT: Working Visas are on the chopping block

[no_such_reality]

How this garlic farm went from a labor shortage to over 150 people on its applicant waitlist

I like the industry rep saying [quote]“The one constant is that no matter how much we pay, domestic workers are not applying for these jobs,” Resnick said.[/quote]

Because, you know, $11/hr is throwing money at the problem…

[Anonymous]

[quote=no_such_reality]How this garlic farm went from a labor shortage to over 150 people on its applicant waitlist

I like the industry rep saying [quote]“The one constant is that no matter how much we pay, domestic workers are not applying for these jobs,” Resnick said.[/quote]

Because, you know, $11/hr is throwing money at the problem…[/quote]

The article said they saw more applicants after paying $13, but the applicants came from other farms:

“Raising wages only serves to cannibalize from the existing workforce; it does nothing to add new laborers to the pool.”

His point was that they can still only attract immigrant labor, even with the higher wage.

In other words, the immigrants are still doing the jobs Americans refuse to do.

[FlyerInHi]

Haha, Harvey.

Also Intel is building a new fab in Phoenix, something they announced in 2011 then put on hold. But in Phoenix, not Youngstown. The bootstrappers better get their asses over to Phoenix, else over 1/2 of the workforce will be foreign born.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=harvey][quote=no_such_reality]How this garlic farm went from a labor shortage to over 150 people on its applicant waitlist

I like the industry rep saying [quote]“The one constant is that no matter how much we pay, domestic workers are not applying for these jobs,” Resnick said.[/quote]

Because, you know, $11/hr is throwing money at the problem…[/quote]

The article said they saw more applicants after paying $13, but the applicants came from other farms:

“Raising wages only serves to cannibalize from the existing workforce; it does nothing to add new laborers to the pool.”

His point was that they can still only attract immigrant labor, even with the higher wage.

In other words, the immigrants are still doing the jobs Americans refuse to do.[/quote]

And my point is the Industry is still paying $11/hr. Given our State minimum wage of $10.50/hr, isn’t really an incentive to bring new workers in. And hence, his statement, “The one constant is that no matter how much we pay, domestic workers are not applying for these jobs” is because they aren’t paying enough.

Besides, my local McDonald’s has been advertising positions at $15+/hr…

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Haha, Harvey.

Also Intel is building a new fab in Phoenix, something they announced in 2011 then put on hold. But in Phoenix, not Youngstown. The bootstrappers better get their asses over to Phoenix, else over 1/2 of the workforce will be foreign born.[/quote]

Looks like Intel is having an “alternative facts” moment….

http://finance.yahoo.com/m/0dc44315-12e7-3d76-b237-15cd0fbd5977/ss_a-day-after-its-big-jobs.html

“A day after its big jobs announcement, Intel warns of lower profit margins in a key business

Intel told investors on Thursday that it expects lower margins in its data center business, a day after announcing a multi-billion dollar investment at the White House. At its investor meeting on Thursday, Intel’s VP of its data center group, Diane Bryant, said its data center profit margins would drop over time to the low-to-mid 40 percent range,down from their historical norms between 45 and 50 percent. Shares briefly fell nearly 2 percent in heavy volume, before recovering, last down about 1.5 percent. The company’s data center business sells products to enterprises and cloud computing providers to use in their data centers. It’s been a critical contributor to Intel’s growth: in 2016, data”

Lol…. It’s not going to be a very good year for Intel, I think….

Their mobile story is still nowhere.
Then there’s AMD Ryzen undercutting their processor by 1/3-1/4…
And now this.

[Anonymous]

Paying enough for what outcome?

I’m not very concerned about who harvests my garlic. I’m certainly not interested in paying more just to know that it was picked by Real Americans.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=harvey]Paying enough for what outcome?

I’m not very concerned about who harvests my garlic. I’m certainly not interested in paying more just to know that it was picked by Real Americans.[/quote]

So you can’t address the point. I get it.

[Anonymous]

You’ve completely failed to make a point.

But don’t let me prevent you from starting a garlic farm, operating it successfully and reporting back to us how easy it was to manage your labor costs.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]
Looks like Intel is having an “alternative facts” moment
[/quote]

[quote=flu]
Lol…. It’s not going to be a very good year for Intel, I think….

Their mobile story is still nowhere.
Then there’s AMD Ryzen undercutting their processor by 1/3-1/4…
And now this.[/quote]

Yeah. I agree. This PR stunt underscores the state of their business. It’s not even something new… just a revival of a mothballed plan.

[ucodegen]

[quote=poorgradstudent]
I don’t think the program is all bad, but I do think there is a lot of room to reform the abuses that occur.[/quote]
The solution is potentially easy. When the H1B was set up (about 1990), there was a minimum wage requirement. This has been effectively kept the same, though inflation has eroded the dollar. Solution would be to index the wage threshold to CPI and use a 10 to 15 year catch-up to the corrected value adjusted by inflation since 1990. Of course many tech companies are going to start whining and complaining.. cue the violins.

[ucodegen]

[quote=flu][quote=no_such_reality]
HR usually don’t do recruiting except for interns. Recruiting is usually farmed out to recruiters. Either way, I have never met anyone in Hr or recruiters that have technical knowledge to ask these questions . If they did, they wouldn’t be in HR or a recruiter…
[/quote]

What one company did that I interviewed for was interesting. They made candidates take an online test. Interesting idea.[/quote]
G.A. has something similar, but it is not online. Its in-house. First item in the door going for an interview for a job that might entail programming, is a programming test. Here’s the problem, here’s the computer, here are some books – tell me when you have it solved.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=harvey]Paying enough for what outcome?

I’m not very concerned about who harvests my garlic. I’m certainly not interested in paying more just to know that it was picked by Real Americans.[/quote]

So you can’t address the point. I get it.[/quote]

Pri, how about paying enough so that the people who picked your garlic are able to afford a decent place to live, have decent healthcare, and earn enough money to feed their families and pay for their basic living expenses?

Many of us are more than willing to pay more for goods and services if we know that the money is going to those who are doing the actual work vs. the middleman/corporations.

It’s time for employers to pay the full freight of their workers’ expenses. As it stands, taxpayers are subsidizing the profits of these employers when they cover the living costs that these workers aren’t able to pay for themselves. If the taxes these employees pay don’t cover the cost of educating their children and providing them with housing and healthcare, then taxpayers are footing the bill.

American workers are getting hit twice — by paying taxes that cover the costs of these other families since their pay can’t cover their costs, and also by having their wages reduced when they are forced to compete with cheap, exploitable labor.

[Anonymous]

[quote=CA renter]
Pri, how about paying enough so that the people who picked your garlic are able to afford a decent place to live, have decent healthcare, and earn enough money to feed their families and pay for their basic living expenses?[/quote]

How about proposing a specific policy instead of just making thinly-veiled xenophobic rants?

Do you want to:

– Raise the minimum wage?

– Kick out dem Mexicans?

– Something else?

What’s the actual game plan for your Bolshevik revolution?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]
Pri, how about paying enough so that the people who picked your garlic are able to afford a decent place to live, have decent healthcare, and earn enough money to feed their families and pay for their basic living expenses?[/quote]

How about proposing a specific policy instead of just making thinly-veiled xenophobic rants?

Do you want to:

– Raise the minimum wage?

– Kick out dem Mexicans?

– Something else?

What’s the actual game plan for your Bolshevik revolution?[/quote]

From what we have seen and heard of the angry natives, it’s kicking ’em furriners out, tariffs on China, ban on Muslims, wall with Mexico, deregulation, more bootstrapping, a terrific health plan, pipeline so Canada can export oil to world markets (you think they’ll give us a discount on a world commodity?), but no higher minimum wage, no family leave, no fair scheduling, no child care, school vouchers where there is no choice, etc…

The pitchforks are a little confused, I’m afraid.

[CA renter]

[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]
Pri, how about paying enough so that the people who picked your garlic are able to afford a decent place to live, have decent healthcare, and earn enough money to feed their families and pay for their basic living expenses?[/quote]

How about proposing a specific policy instead of just making thinly-veiled xenophobic rants?

Do you want to:

– Raise the minimum wage?

– Kick out dem Mexicans?

– Something else?

What’s the actual game plan for your Bolshevik revolution?[/quote]

LOL! Once again, the boogeyman in your brain has gotten to you. Re-read the post and see if you can grasp what I’m saying without putting YOUR words and thoughts into other people’s posts, as you so often do.

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