OT Will Toyota price recalled models to sell?

[snail]

[quote=AK]Personally I wouldn’t go near any of the drive-by-wire models, rebate or no rebate.[/quote]

in 5 years, 90% of the new car will have this feature. Currently most of advanced tactical fighter have fly by wire system. Toyota is not the only company that been placing this technology on their car. Its just like ABS brake system, most new car have them.

[AK]

[quote=snail]in 5 years, 90% of the new car will have this feature.[/quote]

And that scares the crap out of me 🙂

[quote=snail]Currently most of advanced tactical fighter have fly by wire system.[/quote]

And a lot of commercial jetliners have fly-by-wire and glass-cockpit systems. I think there are a few important differences … Aircraft fly-by-wire systems have either quadruple redundancy or mechanical backup systems, and must pass extensive certification testing by the FAA and similar agencies. Automotive fly-by-wire systems are tested by … the manufacturer. As we’ve seen it takes major, obvious problems to get the NHTSA involved.

And the way I see it, aircraft fly-by-wire systems replace complex and trouble-prone mechanical or hydraulic control systems. Automotive drive-by-wire systems replace a simple, trouble-free mechanical throttle linkage with a complex, untested “black box” system. I don’t see a compelling advantage, at least for conventional powertrains.

Then again, maybe I’m just getting old 🙂

[AK]

[quote=snail]in 5 years, 90% of the new car will have this feature.[/quote]

And that scares the crap out of me 🙂

[quote=snail]Currently most of advanced tactical fighter have fly by wire system.[/quote]

And a lot of commercial jetliners have fly-by-wire and glass-cockpit systems. I think there are a few important differences … Aircraft fly-by-wire systems have either quadruple redundancy or mechanical backup systems, and must pass extensive certification testing by the FAA and similar agencies. Automotive fly-by-wire systems are tested by … the manufacturer. As we’ve seen it takes major, obvious problems to get the NHTSA involved.

And the way I see it, aircraft fly-by-wire systems replace complex and trouble-prone mechanical or hydraulic control systems. Automotive drive-by-wire systems replace a simple, trouble-free mechanical throttle linkage with a complex, untested “black box” system. I don’t see a compelling advantage, at least for conventional powertrains.

Then again, maybe I’m just getting old 🙂

[AK]

[quote=snail]in 5 years, 90% of the new car will have this feature.[/quote]

And that scares the crap out of me 🙂

[quote=snail]Currently most of advanced tactical fighter have fly by wire system.[/quote]

And a lot of commercial jetliners have fly-by-wire and glass-cockpit systems. I think there are a few important differences … Aircraft fly-by-wire systems have either quadruple redundancy or mechanical backup systems, and must pass extensive certification testing by the FAA and similar agencies. Automotive fly-by-wire systems are tested by … the manufacturer. As we’ve seen it takes major, obvious problems to get the NHTSA involved.

And the way I see it, aircraft fly-by-wire systems replace complex and trouble-prone mechanical or hydraulic control systems. Automotive drive-by-wire systems replace a simple, trouble-free mechanical throttle linkage with a complex, untested “black box” system. I don’t see a compelling advantage, at least for conventional powertrains.

Then again, maybe I’m just getting old 🙂

[AK]

[quote=snail]in 5 years, 90% of the new car will have this feature.[/quote]

And that scares the crap out of me 🙂

[quote=snail]Currently most of advanced tactical fighter have fly by wire system.[/quote]

And a lot of commercial jetliners have fly-by-wire and glass-cockpit systems. I think there are a few important differences … Aircraft fly-by-wire systems have either quadruple redundancy or mechanical backup systems, and must pass extensive certification testing by the FAA and similar agencies. Automotive fly-by-wire systems are tested by … the manufacturer. As we’ve seen it takes major, obvious problems to get the NHTSA involved.

And the way I see it, aircraft fly-by-wire systems replace complex and trouble-prone mechanical or hydraulic control systems. Automotive drive-by-wire systems replace a simple, trouble-free mechanical throttle linkage with a complex, untested “black box” system. I don’t see a compelling advantage, at least for conventional powertrains.

Then again, maybe I’m just getting old 🙂

[AK]

[quote=snail]in 5 years, 90% of the new car will have this feature.[/quote]

And that scares the crap out of me 🙂

[quote=snail]Currently most of advanced tactical fighter have fly by wire system.[/quote]

And a lot of commercial jetliners have fly-by-wire and glass-cockpit systems. I think there are a few important differences … Aircraft fly-by-wire systems have either quadruple redundancy or mechanical backup systems, and must pass extensive certification testing by the FAA and similar agencies. Automotive fly-by-wire systems are tested by … the manufacturer. As we’ve seen it takes major, obvious problems to get the NHTSA involved.

And the way I see it, aircraft fly-by-wire systems replace complex and trouble-prone mechanical or hydraulic control systems. Automotive drive-by-wire systems replace a simple, trouble-free mechanical throttle linkage with a complex, untested “black box” system. I don’t see a compelling advantage, at least for conventional powertrains.

Then again, maybe I’m just getting old 🙂

[EconProf]

Now or in the near future is a great time to buy a Toyota.
Prices are low and falling because of a media-driven overreaction to the gliches, combined with Americans’ inability to evaluate risk.
Consider: how many deaths have occurred due to the defects? Probably dozens, if that. But they are well-publicized and their importance exaggerated by the public. How many Americans die annually in traffic accidents–about 37,000! Perhaps 1/3 don’t wear seat belts, which more than doubles one’s chance of dying in an accident. A huge share of deaths are due to alcohol. To text while driving is about as dangerous as driving drunk, and is increasingly common.
Cars are infinitely safer than in past decades, thanks to seat belts, air-bags, better brakes, suspensions, reinforced doors, roofs, and bumpers, etc. Meanwhile we obsess over a miniscule number of deaths from truly rare imperfections in our vehicles as we continue to drive foolishly.
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
I wish I needed a new car…I would buy a Toyota.

[EconProf]

Now or in the near future is a great time to buy a Toyota.
Prices are low and falling because of a media-driven overreaction to the gliches, combined with Americans’ inability to evaluate risk.
Consider: how many deaths have occurred due to the defects? Probably dozens, if that. But they are well-publicized and their importance exaggerated by the public. How many Americans die annually in traffic accidents–about 37,000! Perhaps 1/3 don’t wear seat belts, which more than doubles one’s chance of dying in an accident. A huge share of deaths are due to alcohol. To text while driving is about as dangerous as driving drunk, and is increasingly common.
Cars are infinitely safer than in past decades, thanks to seat belts, air-bags, better brakes, suspensions, reinforced doors, roofs, and bumpers, etc. Meanwhile we obsess over a miniscule number of deaths from truly rare imperfections in our vehicles as we continue to drive foolishly.
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
I wish I needed a new car…I would buy a Toyota.

[EconProf]

Now or in the near future is a great time to buy a Toyota.
Prices are low and falling because of a media-driven overreaction to the gliches, combined with Americans’ inability to evaluate risk.
Consider: how many deaths have occurred due to the defects? Probably dozens, if that. But they are well-publicized and their importance exaggerated by the public. How many Americans die annually in traffic accidents–about 37,000! Perhaps 1/3 don’t wear seat belts, which more than doubles one’s chance of dying in an accident. A huge share of deaths are due to alcohol. To text while driving is about as dangerous as driving drunk, and is increasingly common.
Cars are infinitely safer than in past decades, thanks to seat belts, air-bags, better brakes, suspensions, reinforced doors, roofs, and bumpers, etc. Meanwhile we obsess over a miniscule number of deaths from truly rare imperfections in our vehicles as we continue to drive foolishly.
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
I wish I needed a new car…I would buy a Toyota.

[EconProf]

Now or in the near future is a great time to buy a Toyota.
Prices are low and falling because of a media-driven overreaction to the gliches, combined with Americans’ inability to evaluate risk.
Consider: how many deaths have occurred due to the defects? Probably dozens, if that. But they are well-publicized and their importance exaggerated by the public. How many Americans die annually in traffic accidents–about 37,000! Perhaps 1/3 don’t wear seat belts, which more than doubles one’s chance of dying in an accident. A huge share of deaths are due to alcohol. To text while driving is about as dangerous as driving drunk, and is increasingly common.
Cars are infinitely safer than in past decades, thanks to seat belts, air-bags, better brakes, suspensions, reinforced doors, roofs, and bumpers, etc. Meanwhile we obsess over a miniscule number of deaths from truly rare imperfections in our vehicles as we continue to drive foolishly.
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
I wish I needed a new car…I would buy a Toyota.

[EconProf]

Now or in the near future is a great time to buy a Toyota.
Prices are low and falling because of a media-driven overreaction to the gliches, combined with Americans’ inability to evaluate risk.
Consider: how many deaths have occurred due to the defects? Probably dozens, if that. But they are well-publicized and their importance exaggerated by the public. How many Americans die annually in traffic accidents–about 37,000! Perhaps 1/3 don’t wear seat belts, which more than doubles one’s chance of dying in an accident. A huge share of deaths are due to alcohol. To text while driving is about as dangerous as driving drunk, and is increasingly common.
Cars are infinitely safer than in past decades, thanks to seat belts, air-bags, better brakes, suspensions, reinforced doors, roofs, and bumpers, etc. Meanwhile we obsess over a miniscule number of deaths from truly rare imperfections in our vehicles as we continue to drive foolishly.
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
I wish I needed a new car…I would buy a Toyota.

[svelte]

[quote=EconProf]
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
[/quote]

It is pretty eash to blame a company who knew about acceleration problems in their vehicles since at least 2004 and did NOTHING, isn’t it? They even settled lawsuits out of court between 2004 – 2010 to avoid the publicity!

Toyota finds themselves in quite a bind…they did secret fixes for many of their other defects for years – it was quite well known in the automotive community. And they did that because their customer base bought Toyotas because of their reputation for quality and low defect rates. If they had went the recall route as other manufacturers did, that would spook their customer base.

Instead, their customers went along blindly believing that, because their recall rate was lower, that meant the cars were of higher quality.

Now Toyota is at a turning point. Do they start revealing their problems via recalls (thus tarnishing their image with each recall), or do they continue hiding their problems to keep the blinders on their customer base?

It should be interesting to watch…the sham is over. They have some hard decisions to make – let’s hope they make the right one.

[svelte]

[quote=EconProf]
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
[/quote]

It is pretty eash to blame a company who knew about acceleration problems in their vehicles since at least 2004 and did NOTHING, isn’t it? They even settled lawsuits out of court between 2004 – 2010 to avoid the publicity!

Toyota finds themselves in quite a bind…they did secret fixes for many of their other defects for years – it was quite well known in the automotive community. And they did that because their customer base bought Toyotas because of their reputation for quality and low defect rates. If they had went the recall route as other manufacturers did, that would spook their customer base.

Instead, their customers went along blindly believing that, because their recall rate was lower, that meant the cars were of higher quality.

Now Toyota is at a turning point. Do they start revealing their problems via recalls (thus tarnishing their image with each recall), or do they continue hiding their problems to keep the blinders on their customer base?

It should be interesting to watch…the sham is over. They have some hard decisions to make – let’s hope they make the right one.

[svelte]

[quote=EconProf]
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
[/quote]

It is pretty eash to blame a company who knew about acceleration problems in their vehicles since at least 2004 and did NOTHING, isn’t it? They even settled lawsuits out of court between 2004 – 2010 to avoid the publicity!

Toyota finds themselves in quite a bind…they did secret fixes for many of their other defects for years – it was quite well known in the automotive community. And they did that because their customer base bought Toyotas because of their reputation for quality and low defect rates. If they had went the recall route as other manufacturers did, that would spook their customer base.

Instead, their customers went along blindly believing that, because their recall rate was lower, that meant the cars were of higher quality.

Now Toyota is at a turning point. Do they start revealing their problems via recalls (thus tarnishing their image with each recall), or do they continue hiding their problems to keep the blinders on their customer base?

It should be interesting to watch…the sham is over. They have some hard decisions to make – let’s hope they make the right one.

[svelte]

[quote=EconProf]
It is so easy to blame big businesses for everything instead of seeing the bigger picture.
[/quote]

It is pretty eash to blame a company who knew about acceleration problems in their vehicles since at least 2004 and did NOTHING, isn’t it? They even settled lawsuits out of court between 2004 – 2010 to avoid the publicity!

Toyota finds themselves in quite a bind…they did secret fixes for many of their other defects for years – it was quite well known in the automotive community. And they did that because their customer base bought Toyotas because of their reputation for quality and low defect rates. If they had went the recall route as other manufacturers did, that would spook their customer base.

Instead, their customers went along blindly believing that, because their recall rate was lower, that meant the cars were of higher quality.

Now Toyota is at a turning point. Do they start revealing their problems via recalls (thus tarnishing their image with each recall), or do they continue hiding their problems to keep the blinders on their customer base?

It should be interesting to watch…the sham is over. They have some hard decisions to make – let’s hope they make the right one.

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