OT: why do some american parents buy their minors guns?

[Navydoc]

I’m going to echo some posters on this thread and report that I grew up in rural Pennsylvania where we got the first couple of days of deer season off from school, since there would have been no boys in attendance anyway. My father taught me to shoot when I was 9, got my first shotgun and deer rifle when I was 12 and old enough to hunt (still own both), and gun culture was simply a part of life. My father had a revolver in his nightstand, and all 5 of us kids knew where it was and to respect what a potentially deadly instrument it was. (I still have that gun too, a very valuable Ruger .22). My point is, I grew up understanding about guns, and they held no mystery for me or my 4 siblings, and I was no more likely to play with the guns inappropriately than I was to steal the keys to the car and take it for a littel spin. (Activity equally as deadly as playing with a gun)

The Problem is not the guns it’s PARENTING. My parents did a good job raising us. Many parents do not. I can tell you from experience working in a child psychiatry ward, without ecxeption EVERY inpatient on that ward came from a screwed up family situation. I would estimate that >50% of all kids on ritalin come from a disordered family. Trust me, if these kids want to hurt themselves or someone else they will find a way to do it whether guns are available or not.

Oh, and poorgradstudent, handguns can be used for so much more than protection/killing people. This is simply you applying your value system to something in which you have no interest. I like to use an analogy of differnt types of automobile. A KIA Rio will perform the identical transportation function as a Porsche 911. You may choose to drive one or the other for your own reasons, but if you choose the Porsche, how do you feel about the KIA driver asking for government mandated restriction to <100 HP? There is no difference when applied to handguns or assualt rifles. I can tell you, the most fun I've had with my clothes on has been while firing a full-auto machine gun at a target range. I'm not dissing you for your personal choice, but don't diss me for mine.

This is really a crazy topic for a housing blog, but I had to respond as this topic always gets my blood pressure up a little bit. Guns are part of our culture. That is not going to change any time soon. If you try to outlaw guns you will make me a criminal.

[Navydoc]

I’m going to echo some posters on this thread and report that I grew up in rural Pennsylvania where we got the first couple of days of deer season off from school, since there would have been no boys in attendance anyway. My father taught me to shoot when I was 9, got my first shotgun and deer rifle when I was 12 and old enough to hunt (still own both), and gun culture was simply a part of life. My father had a revolver in his nightstand, and all 5 of us kids knew where it was and to respect what a potentially deadly instrument it was. (I still have that gun too, a very valuable Ruger .22). My point is, I grew up understanding about guns, and they held no mystery for me or my 4 siblings, and I was no more likely to play with the guns inappropriately than I was to steal the keys to the car and take it for a littel spin. (Activity equally as deadly as playing with a gun)

The Problem is not the guns it’s PARENTING. My parents did a good job raising us. Many parents do not. I can tell you from experience working in a child psychiatry ward, without ecxeption EVERY inpatient on that ward came from a screwed up family situation. I would estimate that >50% of all kids on ritalin come from a disordered family. Trust me, if these kids want to hurt themselves or someone else they will find a way to do it whether guns are available or not.

Oh, and poorgradstudent, handguns can be used for so much more than protection/killing people. This is simply you applying your value system to something in which you have no interest. I like to use an analogy of differnt types of automobile. A KIA Rio will perform the identical transportation function as a Porsche 911. You may choose to drive one or the other for your own reasons, but if you choose the Porsche, how do you feel about the KIA driver asking for government mandated restriction to <100 HP? There is no difference when applied to handguns or assualt rifles. I can tell you, the most fun I've had with my clothes on has been while firing a full-auto machine gun at a target range. I'm not dissing you for your personal choice, but don't diss me for mine.

This is really a crazy topic for a housing blog, but I had to respond as this topic always gets my blood pressure up a little bit. Guns are part of our culture. That is not going to change any time soon. If you try to outlaw guns you will make me a criminal.

[Navydoc]

For some reason my reply was cut short, so I’ll continue it here:

…mandated restriction to less than 100 HP? The same logic can be applied to handguns and assault rifles. I can tell you the most fun I’ve had with my clothes on is while firing a full-auto machine gun at a target range. I’m not dissing you for your preferences, but don’t diss me for mine.

This is really a crazy topic for a housing blog, but I felt I had to respond as this topic always gets my blood pressure up a little bit. Guns are part of our culture. that is not going to change anytime soon. If you try to outlaw guns you will make me a criminal.

[Navydoc]

For some reason my reply was cut short, so I’ll continue it here:

…mandated restriction to less than 100 HP? The same logic can be applied to handguns and assault rifles. I can tell you the most fun I’ve had with my clothes on is while firing a full-auto machine gun at a target range. I’m not dissing you for your preferences, but don’t diss me for mine.

This is really a crazy topic for a housing blog, but I felt I had to respond as this topic always gets my blood pressure up a little bit. Guns are part of our culture. that is not going to change anytime soon. If you try to outlaw guns you will make me a criminal.

[NotCranky]

The Problem is not the guns it’s PARENTING.

The problem with guns is our CULTURE. I am not talking about hunting. I am talking about the love of guns and violence outside of hunting. If we could trust parents to do everything we wouldn’t even need a juvenile penal system.
We can’t, so guns are a problem.

BTW thanks for all you hunter for stepping up and admitting you killed all the wildlife. I guess there are few animals out there somewhere you would still like to kill. Military people and hunters love guns…yeah big surprise. Get your heads out for a minute and look at what is happening. What is more important killing the last moose or saving another kid,police officer, etc. You hunters just supply support for the status quo regarding rediculous lack of gun control.

[NotCranky]

The Problem is not the guns it’s PARENTING.

The problem with guns is our CULTURE. I am not talking about hunting. I am talking about the love of guns and violence outside of hunting. If we could trust parents to do everything we wouldn’t even need a juvenile penal system.
We can’t, so guns are a problem.

BTW thanks for all you hunter for stepping up and admitting you killed all the wildlife. I guess there are few animals out there somewhere you would still like to kill. Military people and hunters love guns…yeah big surprise. Get your heads out for a minute and look at what is happening. What is more important killing the last moose or saving another kid,police officer, etc. You hunters just supply support for the status quo regarding rediculous lack of gun control.

[no_such_reality]

We can’t, so guns are a problem.

People drive drunk, we don’t make cars harder to get for responsible people.

[no_such_reality]

We can’t, so guns are a problem.

People drive drunk, we don’t make cars harder to get for responsible people.

[salo_t]

“BTW thanks for all you hunter for stepping up and admitting you killed all the wildlife”.

Rustico, just to let you know. Big game hunting in the US is controlled by the Fish and Game department. If you want to go out and hunt say whitetail deer than you would have to apply for a deer tag through the Fish and Game dept. They only provide a certain number of tags a year as a way to keep the deer population healthy. Hunting actually plays an important roll in keeping deer populations at the right size for the land they occupy. Over population can lead to starvation and disease. Its not like the 1890’s anymore where people could shoot bears and buffalo into extinction.

[salo_t]

“BTW thanks for all you hunter for stepping up and admitting you killed all the wildlife”.

Rustico, just to let you know. Big game hunting in the US is controlled by the Fish and Game department. If you want to go out and hunt say whitetail deer than you would have to apply for a deer tag through the Fish and Game dept. They only provide a certain number of tags a year as a way to keep the deer population healthy. Hunting actually plays an important roll in keeping deer populations at the right size for the land they occupy. Over population can lead to starvation and disease. Its not like the 1890’s anymore where people could shoot bears and buffalo into extinction.

[NotCranky]

People drive drunk, we don’t make cars harder to get for responsible people.

Yeah, I would call that an alcohol issue rather than a car issue anyway.

You can’t hide a cache of cars for months and stick a couple in your jacket and go on a killing spree in the High School cafeteria.

I also wouldn’t mind this “ideal” responsible person having a normal gun. We have some idiots down the road who I am sure call themselves hunters. I am sure nobody on this blog would approve of them having a gun of any kind.They have half a dozen at least. The system sees them as responsible people. There are millions of them. They all think they are hunters too. Oh yes, they are drunk pretty often too.

[NotCranky]

People drive drunk, we don’t make cars harder to get for responsible people.

Yeah, I would call that an alcohol issue rather than a car issue anyway.

You can’t hide a cache of cars for months and stick a couple in your jacket and go on a killing spree in the High School cafeteria.

I also wouldn’t mind this “ideal” responsible person having a normal gun. We have some idiots down the road who I am sure call themselves hunters. I am sure nobody on this blog would approve of them having a gun of any kind.They have half a dozen at least. The system sees them as responsible people. There are millions of them. They all think they are hunters too. Oh yes, they are drunk pretty often too.

[NeetaT]

Marksmanship is a wonderful hobby especially when it is later used to kill terrorists who vitiate our society. “One shot one kill.” Check the wind when firing at targets that are more than 200 meters out.

[NeetaT]

Marksmanship is a wonderful hobby especially when it is later used to kill terrorists who vitiate our society. “One shot one kill.” Check the wind when firing at targets that are more than 200 meters out.

[CardiffBaseball]

I used to make a drive from the Warren, Ohio area down to a consulting gig around the Pissburgh airport. I had many close calls with deer, and apparently several others did so the Ohio/PA Fish and Game folks had to up the bag limit for a couple of years. All of this is managed pretty smoothly if you ask me. The Deer were more than flourishing.

I am not, and have never hunted. Not a part of the gun culture one iota and I am grateful for hunting season when I am up there.

Lastly for a blue collar family where the old man is making $12-13/hour and mom is making $7-8, a deer or two goes a long way throughout the winter. Deer tacos, venison steaks, venison helper (cheesburger macaroni), etc.

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