OT: Welcome to South California, the 51st state…..

[chrisM]

There is no argueing than most state boundaries, especially in the Western states, make little economical, geographical or cultural sense. In this respect, there has been 51st state proposals that deserve consideration. I’m thinking in particular about the Delmarva Peninsula or the reunion of Eastern WA and the ID panhandle.

But clearly this is not the case here. A southern CA state with half of the central plain on the other side of the Tehachapi moutains but without LA??? This guy had to fail geography in elementary school to suggest such NONSENSE.

More seriously, if we were to start diving states purely along partisan lines, why just stop there? This is exactly the kind of centrifuge forces that, in the long run, would tear apart a nation that otherwise gets pride and strength from its diversity.

[temeculaguy]

San Diego’s assemblyman in 1851 tried to accomplish this in California’s second year as a State. Funny how some things never change, a bad deal is a bad deal, in 1851 and today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoston_Haraszthy

I agree with Agoston, that guy was such a visionary, we need an Agoston, but if he couldn;t do it, I doubt it can be done.

Let’s see, Agoston accomplished
-San Diego’s first Sheriff and Marshall
-built the first jail
-subdivided and developed everything from old town to downtown (little Italy and mid town was once called haraszartyville)
-built the first hospital
-brought almost every variety of grape and founded the wine industry in California

-founded Buena Vista winery (still there, still good, the oldest existing winery)and founded the Napa and Sonoma wine region, not a bad idea in hindsight.

-It’s still being debated, but many believe he invented Zinfandel

So this is the kind of guy who did everything he wanted in many parts of his life and 160 years later, most of what he thought still rings true and survives and he wanted two states, I’m with him. Conversely, this was a guy who was able to do almost anything, and even he couldn’t make it so, so I doubt it will ever happen.

[temeculaguy]

San Diego’s assemblyman in 1851 tried to accomplish this in California’s second year as a State. Funny how some things never change, a bad deal is a bad deal, in 1851 and today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoston_Haraszthy

I agree with Agoston, that guy was such a visionary, we need an Agoston, but if he couldn;t do it, I doubt it can be done.

Let’s see, Agoston accomplished
-San Diego’s first Sheriff and Marshall
-built the first jail
-subdivided and developed everything from old town to downtown (little Italy and mid town was once called haraszartyville)
-built the first hospital
-brought almost every variety of grape and founded the wine industry in California

-founded Buena Vista winery (still there, still good, the oldest existing winery)and founded the Napa and Sonoma wine region, not a bad idea in hindsight.

-It’s still being debated, but many believe he invented Zinfandel

So this is the kind of guy who did everything he wanted in many parts of his life and 160 years later, most of what he thought still rings true and survives and he wanted two states, I’m with him. Conversely, this was a guy who was able to do almost anything, and even he couldn’t make it so, so I doubt it will ever happen.

[temeculaguy]

San Diego’s assemblyman in 1851 tried to accomplish this in California’s second year as a State. Funny how some things never change, a bad deal is a bad deal, in 1851 and today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoston_Haraszthy

I agree with Agoston, that guy was such a visionary, we need an Agoston, but if he couldn;t do it, I doubt it can be done.

Let’s see, Agoston accomplished
-San Diego’s first Sheriff and Marshall
-built the first jail
-subdivided and developed everything from old town to downtown (little Italy and mid town was once called haraszartyville)
-built the first hospital
-brought almost every variety of grape and founded the wine industry in California

-founded Buena Vista winery (still there, still good, the oldest existing winery)and founded the Napa and Sonoma wine region, not a bad idea in hindsight.

-It’s still being debated, but many believe he invented Zinfandel

So this is the kind of guy who did everything he wanted in many parts of his life and 160 years later, most of what he thought still rings true and survives and he wanted two states, I’m with him. Conversely, this was a guy who was able to do almost anything, and even he couldn’t make it so, so I doubt it will ever happen.

[temeculaguy]

San Diego’s assemblyman in 1851 tried to accomplish this in California’s second year as a State. Funny how some things never change, a bad deal is a bad deal, in 1851 and today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoston_Haraszthy

I agree with Agoston, that guy was such a visionary, we need an Agoston, but if he couldn;t do it, I doubt it can be done.

Let’s see, Agoston accomplished
-San Diego’s first Sheriff and Marshall
-built the first jail
-subdivided and developed everything from old town to downtown (little Italy and mid town was once called haraszartyville)
-built the first hospital
-brought almost every variety of grape and founded the wine industry in California

-founded Buena Vista winery (still there, still good, the oldest existing winery)and founded the Napa and Sonoma wine region, not a bad idea in hindsight.

-It’s still being debated, but many believe he invented Zinfandel

So this is the kind of guy who did everything he wanted in many parts of his life and 160 years later, most of what he thought still rings true and survives and he wanted two states, I’m with him. Conversely, this was a guy who was able to do almost anything, and even he couldn’t make it so, so I doubt it will ever happen.

[temeculaguy]

San Diego’s assemblyman in 1851 tried to accomplish this in California’s second year as a State. Funny how some things never change, a bad deal is a bad deal, in 1851 and today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoston_Haraszthy

I agree with Agoston, that guy was such a visionary, we need an Agoston, but if he couldn;t do it, I doubt it can be done.

Let’s see, Agoston accomplished
-San Diego’s first Sheriff and Marshall
-built the first jail
-subdivided and developed everything from old town to downtown (little Italy and mid town was once called haraszartyville)
-built the first hospital
-brought almost every variety of grape and founded the wine industry in California

-founded Buena Vista winery (still there, still good, the oldest existing winery)and founded the Napa and Sonoma wine region, not a bad idea in hindsight.

-It’s still being debated, but many believe he invented Zinfandel

So this is the kind of guy who did everything he wanted in many parts of his life and 160 years later, most of what he thought still rings true and survives and he wanted two states, I’m with him. Conversely, this was a guy who was able to do almost anything, and even he couldn’t make it so, so I doubt it will ever happen.

[ocrenter]

[quote=chrisM]There is no argueing than most state boundaries, especially in the Western states, make little economical, geographical or cultural sense. In this respect, there has been 51st state proposals that deserve consideration. I’m thinking in particular about the Delmarva Peninsula or the reunion of Eastern WA and the ID panhandle.

But clearly this is not the case here. A southern CA state with half of the central plain on the other side of the Tehachapi moutains but without LA??? This guy had to fail geography in elementary school to suggest such NONSENSE.

More seriously, if we were to start diving states purely along partisan lines, why just stop there? This is exactly the kind of centrifuge forces that, in the long run, would tear apart a nation that otherwise gets pride and strength from its diversity.[/quote]

this is really just gerrymandering on a grander scale.

I actually do see the logic behind partitioning of the state. but nice and even down the middle. leave it up to the politicians, you will always end up with a freakish monster.

and talk about state boundaries that do not make sense. most of the post-colonial Africa and Asia national boundaries do not make sense. At least people don’t die and wars are not fought over these illogical state boundaries.

[ocrenter]

[quote=chrisM]There is no argueing than most state boundaries, especially in the Western states, make little economical, geographical or cultural sense. In this respect, there has been 51st state proposals that deserve consideration. I’m thinking in particular about the Delmarva Peninsula or the reunion of Eastern WA and the ID panhandle.

But clearly this is not the case here. A southern CA state with half of the central plain on the other side of the Tehachapi moutains but without LA??? This guy had to fail geography in elementary school to suggest such NONSENSE.

More seriously, if we were to start diving states purely along partisan lines, why just stop there? This is exactly the kind of centrifuge forces that, in the long run, would tear apart a nation that otherwise gets pride and strength from its diversity.[/quote]

this is really just gerrymandering on a grander scale.

I actually do see the logic behind partitioning of the state. but nice and even down the middle. leave it up to the politicians, you will always end up with a freakish monster.

and talk about state boundaries that do not make sense. most of the post-colonial Africa and Asia national boundaries do not make sense. At least people don’t die and wars are not fought over these illogical state boundaries.

[ocrenter]

[quote=chrisM]There is no argueing than most state boundaries, especially in the Western states, make little economical, geographical or cultural sense. In this respect, there has been 51st state proposals that deserve consideration. I’m thinking in particular about the Delmarva Peninsula or the reunion of Eastern WA and the ID panhandle.

But clearly this is not the case here. A southern CA state with half of the central plain on the other side of the Tehachapi moutains but without LA??? This guy had to fail geography in elementary school to suggest such NONSENSE.

More seriously, if we were to start diving states purely along partisan lines, why just stop there? This is exactly the kind of centrifuge forces that, in the long run, would tear apart a nation that otherwise gets pride and strength from its diversity.[/quote]

this is really just gerrymandering on a grander scale.

I actually do see the logic behind partitioning of the state. but nice and even down the middle. leave it up to the politicians, you will always end up with a freakish monster.

and talk about state boundaries that do not make sense. most of the post-colonial Africa and Asia national boundaries do not make sense. At least people don’t die and wars are not fought over these illogical state boundaries.

[ocrenter]

[quote=chrisM]There is no argueing than most state boundaries, especially in the Western states, make little economical, geographical or cultural sense. In this respect, there has been 51st state proposals that deserve consideration. I’m thinking in particular about the Delmarva Peninsula or the reunion of Eastern WA and the ID panhandle.

But clearly this is not the case here. A southern CA state with half of the central plain on the other side of the Tehachapi moutains but without LA??? This guy had to fail geography in elementary school to suggest such NONSENSE.

More seriously, if we were to start diving states purely along partisan lines, why just stop there? This is exactly the kind of centrifuge forces that, in the long run, would tear apart a nation that otherwise gets pride and strength from its diversity.[/quote]

this is really just gerrymandering on a grander scale.

I actually do see the logic behind partitioning of the state. but nice and even down the middle. leave it up to the politicians, you will always end up with a freakish monster.

and talk about state boundaries that do not make sense. most of the post-colonial Africa and Asia national boundaries do not make sense. At least people don’t die and wars are not fought over these illogical state boundaries.

[ocrenter]

[quote=chrisM]There is no argueing than most state boundaries, especially in the Western states, make little economical, geographical or cultural sense. In this respect, there has been 51st state proposals that deserve consideration. I’m thinking in particular about the Delmarva Peninsula or the reunion of Eastern WA and the ID panhandle.

But clearly this is not the case here. A southern CA state with half of the central plain on the other side of the Tehachapi moutains but without LA??? This guy had to fail geography in elementary school to suggest such NONSENSE.

More seriously, if we were to start diving states purely along partisan lines, why just stop there? This is exactly the kind of centrifuge forces that, in the long run, would tear apart a nation that otherwise gets pride and strength from its diversity.[/quote]

this is really just gerrymandering on a grander scale.

I actually do see the logic behind partitioning of the state. but nice and even down the middle. leave it up to the politicians, you will always end up with a freakish monster.

and talk about state boundaries that do not make sense. most of the post-colonial Africa and Asia national boundaries do not make sense. At least people don’t die and wars are not fought over these illogical state boundaries.

[scaredyclassic]

It sure seems not very conservative to change state boundaries. The only question I have is is south California going to require a new bar exam.

[scaredyclassic]

It sure seems not very conservative to change state boundaries. The only question I have is is south California going to require a new bar exam.

[scaredyclassic]

It sure seems not very conservative to change state boundaries. The only question I have is is south California going to require a new bar exam.

[scaredyclassic]

It sure seems not very conservative to change state boundaries. The only question I have is is south California going to require a new bar exam.

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