OT: VICTORY!!! Gravel Pit Denied!!

[temeculaguy]

If you watch the video (not that he claimed to be a legal expert) it is supposed to be nearly a year before granite’s appeal will be heard. Also, a veteran of the commission stated he had never seen a project that garnered so much opposition and emotion. Local politics and campaign contributions work best when nobody is watching, this is the third rail now for the Board of Supervisors. I’m with paramount, it’s over, there will be other fights and that group will stay together, they will show up for the next fight and the next. They have been at it for a decade, Mrs. Hamilton and her S.O.S. group will soon notch their second victory in ten years, Sempra Energy was the first victim and now Granite. Environmentalists backed by universities and local government and townsfolk, not to mention the richest tribe in the state, they are more powerful than you think. I’ve said it for years, if the casino would have let me bet on this, I’d throw down retirement funds, the odds are better than the stock market anyways.

And here’s how this relates to housing and macroeconomics. Everything is on the mend up this way, tourism is up, the major developments have started up again and are building out the unfinished projects(wolf creek is finishing now, so is morgan hill, so is paseo del sol). Repos have tapered off and it’s the end of August, brown lawns are fairly rare (at least in the south where I drive around). I just got out of my PMI, appraisal shows I’m up 25% in value in under 3 years. My street of ten houses is down to only 2 pre-2008 owners. My arm is sore from patting myself on the back.

How did this happen, cause we ripped the band aid off. We went to crap before the moratoriums and bailouts and the low interest rates. We churned through more units than were purchased during the bubble, it stung like a muther %&&^$ for a while but then it got better. 50-60% drop in values in 18 months sucked, but the sooner the better. Housing became affordable, the new owners aren’t saddled with debt, the local economy is recovering and the city is flush with cash. I wish the federal government would have the luxury of hindsight in this little case study and let the invisible hand of economics take care of the rest of the country all at the same time. They wouldn’t have run up so big of a tab trying to slow down the inevitable and their fears turned out to not be such a bad thing had they just let it happen.

Before I get off my soapbox, paramount, see, no granite and the hospital is being built as I type, oh and that low income housing project near the hospital didn’t happen either. Just like I said a year or two ago, I feel cooler than the other side of the pillow.

[temeculaguy]

If you watch the video (not that he claimed to be a legal expert) it is supposed to be nearly a year before granite’s appeal will be heard. Also, a veteran of the commission stated he had never seen a project that garnered so much opposition and emotion. Local politics and campaign contributions work best when nobody is watching, this is the third rail now for the Board of Supervisors. I’m with paramount, it’s over, there will be other fights and that group will stay together, they will show up for the next fight and the next. They have been at it for a decade, Mrs. Hamilton and her S.O.S. group will soon notch their second victory in ten years, Sempra Energy was the first victim and now Granite. Environmentalists backed by universities and local government and townsfolk, not to mention the richest tribe in the state, they are more powerful than you think. I’ve said it for years, if the casino would have let me bet on this, I’d throw down retirement funds, the odds are better than the stock market anyways.

And here’s how this relates to housing and macroeconomics. Everything is on the mend up this way, tourism is up, the major developments have started up again and are building out the unfinished projects(wolf creek is finishing now, so is morgan hill, so is paseo del sol). Repos have tapered off and it’s the end of August, brown lawns are fairly rare (at least in the south where I drive around). I just got out of my PMI, appraisal shows I’m up 25% in value in under 3 years. My street of ten houses is down to only 2 pre-2008 owners. My arm is sore from patting myself on the back.

How did this happen, cause we ripped the band aid off. We went to crap before the moratoriums and bailouts and the low interest rates. We churned through more units than were purchased during the bubble, it stung like a muther %&&^$ for a while but then it got better. 50-60% drop in values in 18 months sucked, but the sooner the better. Housing became affordable, the new owners aren’t saddled with debt, the local economy is recovering and the city is flush with cash. I wish the federal government would have the luxury of hindsight in this little case study and let the invisible hand of economics take care of the rest of the country all at the same time. They wouldn’t have run up so big of a tab trying to slow down the inevitable and their fears turned out to not be such a bad thing had they just let it happen.

Before I get off my soapbox, paramount, see, no granite and the hospital is being built as I type, oh and that low income housing project near the hospital didn’t happen either. Just like I said a year or two ago, I feel cooler than the other side of the pillow.

[CA renter]

[quote=temeculaguy]If you watch the video (not that he claimed to be a legal expert) it is supposed to be nearly a year before granite’s appeal will be heard. Also, a veteran of the commission stated he had never seen a project that garnered so much opposition and emotion. Local politics and campaign contributions work best when nobody is watching, this is the third rail now for the Board of Supervisors. I’m with paramount, it’s over, there will be other fights and that group will stay together, they will show up for the next fight and the next. They have been at it for a decade, Mrs. Hamilton and her S.O.S. group will soon notch their second victory in ten years, Sempra Energy was the first victim and now Granite. Environmentalists backed by universities and local government and townsfolk, not to mention the richest tribe in the state, they are more powerful than you think. I’ve said it for years, if the casino would have let me bet on this, I’d throw down retirement funds, the odds are better than the stock market anyways.

And here’s how this relates to housing and macroeconomics. Everything is on the mend up this way, tourism is up, the major developments have started up again and are building out the unfinished projects(wolf creek is finishing now, so is morgan hill, so is paseo del sol). Repos have tapered off and it’s the end of August, brown lawns are fairly rare (at least in the south where I drive around). I just got out of my PMI, appraisal shows I’m up 25% in value in under 3 years. My street of ten houses is down to only 2 pre-2008 owners. My arm is sore from patting myself on the back.

How did this happen, cause we ripped the band aid off. We went to crap before the moratoriums and bailouts and the low interest rates. We churned through more units than were purchased during the bubble, it stung like a muther %&&^$ for a while but then it got better. 50-60% drop in values in 18 months sucked, but the sooner the better. Housing became affordable, the new owners aren’t saddled with debt, the local economy is recovering and the city is flush with cash. I wish the federal government would have the luxury of hindsight in this little case study and let the invisible hand of economics take care of the rest of the country all at the same time. They wouldn’t have run up so big of a tab trying to slow down the inevitable and their fears turned out to not be such a bad thing had they just let it happen.

Before I get off my soapbox, paramount, see, no granite and the hospital is being built as I type, oh and that low income housing project near the hospital didn’t happen either. Just like I said a year or two ago, I feel cooler than the other side of the pillow.[/quote]

Thank you, TG. This is exactly what some of us have been advocating since before the bubble even imploded. This is why some of us (ahem) are ticked off about all the “stimulus” being directed at the housing market and everyone in it.

Just like in Temecula, the areas in SD and LA that were allowed to fall before all the interventions have also been largely washed out, and now have a solid, sustainable foundation from which they can grow in a healthy way. OTOH, the places that were “saved” are still full of people who are hanging on by a thread while housing remains largely unaffordable to people who rationally calculate what they can afford after taking into account periods of unemployment and other “emergencies” that can crop up in life.

[CA renter]

[quote=temeculaguy]If you watch the video (not that he claimed to be a legal expert) it is supposed to be nearly a year before granite’s appeal will be heard. Also, a veteran of the commission stated he had never seen a project that garnered so much opposition and emotion. Local politics and campaign contributions work best when nobody is watching, this is the third rail now for the Board of Supervisors. I’m with paramount, it’s over, there will be other fights and that group will stay together, they will show up for the next fight and the next. They have been at it for a decade, Mrs. Hamilton and her S.O.S. group will soon notch their second victory in ten years, Sempra Energy was the first victim and now Granite. Environmentalists backed by universities and local government and townsfolk, not to mention the richest tribe in the state, they are more powerful than you think. I’ve said it for years, if the casino would have let me bet on this, I’d throw down retirement funds, the odds are better than the stock market anyways.

And here’s how this relates to housing and macroeconomics. Everything is on the mend up this way, tourism is up, the major developments have started up again and are building out the unfinished projects(wolf creek is finishing now, so is morgan hill, so is paseo del sol). Repos have tapered off and it’s the end of August, brown lawns are fairly rare (at least in the south where I drive around). I just got out of my PMI, appraisal shows I’m up 25% in value in under 3 years. My street of ten houses is down to only 2 pre-2008 owners. My arm is sore from patting myself on the back.

How did this happen, cause we ripped the band aid off. We went to crap before the moratoriums and bailouts and the low interest rates. We churned through more units than were purchased during the bubble, it stung like a muther %&&^$ for a while but then it got better. 50-60% drop in values in 18 months sucked, but the sooner the better. Housing became affordable, the new owners aren’t saddled with debt, the local economy is recovering and the city is flush with cash. I wish the federal government would have the luxury of hindsight in this little case study and let the invisible hand of economics take care of the rest of the country all at the same time. They wouldn’t have run up so big of a tab trying to slow down the inevitable and their fears turned out to not be such a bad thing had they just let it happen.

Before I get off my soapbox, paramount, see, no granite and the hospital is being built as I type, oh and that low income housing project near the hospital didn’t happen either. Just like I said a year or two ago, I feel cooler than the other side of the pillow.[/quote]

Thank you, TG. This is exactly what some of us have been advocating since before the bubble even imploded. This is why some of us (ahem) are ticked off about all the “stimulus” being directed at the housing market and everyone in it.

Just like in Temecula, the areas in SD and LA that were allowed to fall before all the interventions have also been largely washed out, and now have a solid, sustainable foundation from which they can grow in a healthy way. OTOH, the places that were “saved” are still full of people who are hanging on by a thread while housing remains largely unaffordable to people who rationally calculate what they can afford after taking into account periods of unemployment and other “emergencies” that can crop up in life.

[CA renter]

[quote=temeculaguy]If you watch the video (not that he claimed to be a legal expert) it is supposed to be nearly a year before granite’s appeal will be heard. Also, a veteran of the commission stated he had never seen a project that garnered so much opposition and emotion. Local politics and campaign contributions work best when nobody is watching, this is the third rail now for the Board of Supervisors. I’m with paramount, it’s over, there will be other fights and that group will stay together, they will show up for the next fight and the next. They have been at it for a decade, Mrs. Hamilton and her S.O.S. group will soon notch their second victory in ten years, Sempra Energy was the first victim and now Granite. Environmentalists backed by universities and local government and townsfolk, not to mention the richest tribe in the state, they are more powerful than you think. I’ve said it for years, if the casino would have let me bet on this, I’d throw down retirement funds, the odds are better than the stock market anyways.

And here’s how this relates to housing and macroeconomics. Everything is on the mend up this way, tourism is up, the major developments have started up again and are building out the unfinished projects(wolf creek is finishing now, so is morgan hill, so is paseo del sol). Repos have tapered off and it’s the end of August, brown lawns are fairly rare (at least in the south where I drive around). I just got out of my PMI, appraisal shows I’m up 25% in value in under 3 years. My street of ten houses is down to only 2 pre-2008 owners. My arm is sore from patting myself on the back.

How did this happen, cause we ripped the band aid off. We went to crap before the moratoriums and bailouts and the low interest rates. We churned through more units than were purchased during the bubble, it stung like a muther %&&^$ for a while but then it got better. 50-60% drop in values in 18 months sucked, but the sooner the better. Housing became affordable, the new owners aren’t saddled with debt, the local economy is recovering and the city is flush with cash. I wish the federal government would have the luxury of hindsight in this little case study and let the invisible hand of economics take care of the rest of the country all at the same time. They wouldn’t have run up so big of a tab trying to slow down the inevitable and their fears turned out to not be such a bad thing had they just let it happen.

Before I get off my soapbox, paramount, see, no granite and the hospital is being built as I type, oh and that low income housing project near the hospital didn’t happen either. Just like I said a year or two ago, I feel cooler than the other side of the pillow.[/quote]

Thank you, TG. This is exactly what some of us have been advocating since before the bubble even imploded. This is why some of us (ahem) are ticked off about all the “stimulus” being directed at the housing market and everyone in it.

Just like in Temecula, the areas in SD and LA that were allowed to fall before all the interventions have also been largely washed out, and now have a solid, sustainable foundation from which they can grow in a healthy way. OTOH, the places that were “saved” are still full of people who are hanging on by a thread while housing remains largely unaffordable to people who rationally calculate what they can afford after taking into account periods of unemployment and other “emergencies” that can crop up in life.

[CA renter]

[quote=temeculaguy]If you watch the video (not that he claimed to be a legal expert) it is supposed to be nearly a year before granite’s appeal will be heard. Also, a veteran of the commission stated he had never seen a project that garnered so much opposition and emotion. Local politics and campaign contributions work best when nobody is watching, this is the third rail now for the Board of Supervisors. I’m with paramount, it’s over, there will be other fights and that group will stay together, they will show up for the next fight and the next. They have been at it for a decade, Mrs. Hamilton and her S.O.S. group will soon notch their second victory in ten years, Sempra Energy was the first victim and now Granite. Environmentalists backed by universities and local government and townsfolk, not to mention the richest tribe in the state, they are more powerful than you think. I’ve said it for years, if the casino would have let me bet on this, I’d throw down retirement funds, the odds are better than the stock market anyways.

And here’s how this relates to housing and macroeconomics. Everything is on the mend up this way, tourism is up, the major developments have started up again and are building out the unfinished projects(wolf creek is finishing now, so is morgan hill, so is paseo del sol). Repos have tapered off and it’s the end of August, brown lawns are fairly rare (at least in the south where I drive around). I just got out of my PMI, appraisal shows I’m up 25% in value in under 3 years. My street of ten houses is down to only 2 pre-2008 owners. My arm is sore from patting myself on the back.

How did this happen, cause we ripped the band aid off. We went to crap before the moratoriums and bailouts and the low interest rates. We churned through more units than were purchased during the bubble, it stung like a muther %&&^$ for a while but then it got better. 50-60% drop in values in 18 months sucked, but the sooner the better. Housing became affordable, the new owners aren’t saddled with debt, the local economy is recovering and the city is flush with cash. I wish the federal government would have the luxury of hindsight in this little case study and let the invisible hand of economics take care of the rest of the country all at the same time. They wouldn’t have run up so big of a tab trying to slow down the inevitable and their fears turned out to not be such a bad thing had they just let it happen.

Before I get off my soapbox, paramount, see, no granite and the hospital is being built as I type, oh and that low income housing project near the hospital didn’t happen either. Just like I said a year or two ago, I feel cooler than the other side of the pillow.[/quote]

Thank you, TG. This is exactly what some of us have been advocating since before the bubble even imploded. This is why some of us (ahem) are ticked off about all the “stimulus” being directed at the housing market and everyone in it.

Just like in Temecula, the areas in SD and LA that were allowed to fall before all the interventions have also been largely washed out, and now have a solid, sustainable foundation from which they can grow in a healthy way. OTOH, the places that were “saved” are still full of people who are hanging on by a thread while housing remains largely unaffordable to people who rationally calculate what they can afford after taking into account periods of unemployment and other “emergencies” that can crop up in life.

[CA renter]

BTW, congratulations, Paramount, TG, et al.

The quarry sounded like a bad idea from everything I’ve heard and read. Nice job to all of those who came out in opposition and WON! 🙂

[CA renter]

BTW, congratulations, Paramount, TG, et al.

The quarry sounded like a bad idea from everything I’ve heard and read. Nice job to all of those who came out in opposition and WON! 🙂

[CA renter]

BTW, congratulations, Paramount, TG, et al.

The quarry sounded like a bad idea from everything I’ve heard and read. Nice job to all of those who came out in opposition and WON! 🙂

[CA renter]

BTW, congratulations, Paramount, TG, et al.

The quarry sounded like a bad idea from everything I’ve heard and read. Nice job to all of those who came out in opposition and WON! 🙂

[The-Shoveler]

It’s good to have a Rich Tribe with their Tax generating Casino in your city.
But seriously TV has a lot going for it. The future should be bright for TV.

[The-Shoveler]

It’s good to have a Rich Tribe with their Tax generating Casino in your city.
But seriously TV has a lot going for it. The future should be bright for TV.

[The-Shoveler]

It’s good to have a Rich Tribe with their Tax generating Casino in your city.
But seriously TV has a lot going for it. The future should be bright for TV.

[The-Shoveler]

It’s good to have a Rich Tribe with their Tax generating Casino in your city.
But seriously TV has a lot going for it. The future should be bright for TV.

[Anonymous]

Although it is technically not 100% over, it is over.

The board almost always rubber stamps the opinion of the planning commission and it would look awfully suspicious of they did otherwise this time. Plus, with the Pechanga fighting at the state level (and likely to win there), Granite has a serious uphill battle ahead of them if they choose to continue.

Congratulations to the “No-Quarry” activists. I admire their dedication to this cause. This story is a wonderful example of how individual citizens can make a difference.

(Also, a nod to TG who predicted the Pechanga could beat Granite. We’ll never know exactly what happened, but it’s looking that way.)

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