OT: VICTORY!!! Gravel Pit Denied!!

[surveyor]

Like I said pri I am not judging the merits or non-merits of the situation, but I see you guys talking all the time about how expensive materials are, how expensive housing is, how companies are not spending money in the U.S. and hoarding it outside in other countries, and how greedy companies are by charging an arm and a leg for housing.

And because of stories like this, why should businesses invest? Why should businesses make things cheaper? Why should businesses hire?

And yes it would be nice for companies to grow in tech, renewable energy, bio, but with all the regulations in place to stop them, why bother? You want to use Apple as a nice example, and it is, but it was started 30 years ago when there weren’t nearly as much regulations and resistance.

And maybe the quarry was going to create 100 direct jobs. How many of those jobs would result in other jobs because those 100 jobs would be spending their money in Temecula? Sure, maybe those 100 people would buy houses in Temecula, but they would also buy from the local furniture stores, buy at the local Costco, and so on. But instead the message is don’t bother doing business in Temecula, California, in the U.S. because you try to invest that money, it will be wasted away by refusing to certify an EIR.

Perhaps digging massive holes in the ground is not a growth industry, but do you think we would have been able to build a freakin’ aqueduct down the center of California with the environmental regulations today? How much would water cost here in southern California if it weren’t for that aqueduct? Ripple effect, dude.

It would be nice if we could get companies that don’t have an environmental impact, that create cheap renewable energy, and provide good jobs, but they rarely exist.

Look at that solar company that Obama championed for green jobs. Bankruptcy.

Look at Boeing, trying to expand operations in South Carolina. Federal interference.

Gibson guitars.

Just saying that next time people here call out how greedy companies are for charging $500k for a house on which they do a profit of $10k on a process that took 20 years to accomplish, you might want to consider this example.

[surveyor]

Like I said pri I am not judging the merits or non-merits of the situation, but I see you guys talking all the time about how expensive materials are, how expensive housing is, how companies are not spending money in the U.S. and hoarding it outside in other countries, and how greedy companies are by charging an arm and a leg for housing.

And because of stories like this, why should businesses invest? Why should businesses make things cheaper? Why should businesses hire?

And yes it would be nice for companies to grow in tech, renewable energy, bio, but with all the regulations in place to stop them, why bother? You want to use Apple as a nice example, and it is, but it was started 30 years ago when there weren’t nearly as much regulations and resistance.

And maybe the quarry was going to create 100 direct jobs. How many of those jobs would result in other jobs because those 100 jobs would be spending their money in Temecula? Sure, maybe those 100 people would buy houses in Temecula, but they would also buy from the local furniture stores, buy at the local Costco, and so on. But instead the message is don’t bother doing business in Temecula, California, in the U.S. because you try to invest that money, it will be wasted away by refusing to certify an EIR.

Perhaps digging massive holes in the ground is not a growth industry, but do you think we would have been able to build a freakin’ aqueduct down the center of California with the environmental regulations today? How much would water cost here in southern California if it weren’t for that aqueduct? Ripple effect, dude.

It would be nice if we could get companies that don’t have an environmental impact, that create cheap renewable energy, and provide good jobs, but they rarely exist.

Look at that solar company that Obama championed for green jobs. Bankruptcy.

Look at Boeing, trying to expand operations in South Carolina. Federal interference.

Gibson guitars.

Just saying that next time people here call out how greedy companies are for charging $500k for a house on which they do a profit of $10k on a process that took 20 years to accomplish, you might want to consider this example.

[briansd1]

If I recall correctly, paramount is a Tea Party adherent. This is a case of NIMBY.

[briansd1]

If I recall correctly, paramount is a Tea Party adherent. This is a case of NIMBY.

[briansd1]

If I recall correctly, paramount is a Tea Party adherent. This is a case of NIMBY.

[surveyor]

Oh, one more thing:

This project probably would’ve supplied materials for many infrastructure and building projects, a lot of which are wanted by the federal government.

I suppose instead of getting our materials locally and creating our own jobs by making best use of our resources, we’ll just have to get our gravel from China and pay them the money.

But hey gratz on stopping this project. Great win for America.

[surveyor]

Oh, one more thing:

This project probably would’ve supplied materials for many infrastructure and building projects, a lot of which are wanted by the federal government.

I suppose instead of getting our materials locally and creating our own jobs by making best use of our resources, we’ll just have to get our gravel from China and pay them the money.

But hey gratz on stopping this project. Great win for America.

[surveyor]

Oh, one more thing:

This project probably would’ve supplied materials for many infrastructure and building projects, a lot of which are wanted by the federal government.

I suppose instead of getting our materials locally and creating our own jobs by making best use of our resources, we’ll just have to get our gravel from China and pay them the money.

But hey gratz on stopping this project. Great win for America.

[Anonymous]

Surveyor,

If you want to go down the “ripple effect” path, then we have to consider how much the tourism and other industries would have been hurt by the quarry. The tourism and wine industries provide way more than 100 jobs in Temecula.

No, we don’t want to build our economy solely on tourism either, but if you are going to argue that a “job is a job” and that paid employees stimulate growth, then you have to look at the whole picture and the net cost/benefit.

So don’t simply frame this as a “government regulations kill jobs again” story. There is more to it than that.

We do need quarries, we just don’t need them a few miles upwind from major residential areas. The location for the quarry may have been fine had it been built 30 years ago, but Temecula grew and the situation changed. Granite just wanted to ignore the the new reality and press forward with an outdated plan.

There are right places to dig holes and there are wrong places. In 2011, where Granite wanted to dig was simply a wrong place.

[Anonymous]

Surveyor,

If you want to go down the “ripple effect” path, then we have to consider how much the tourism and other industries would have been hurt by the quarry. The tourism and wine industries provide way more than 100 jobs in Temecula.

No, we don’t want to build our economy solely on tourism either, but if you are going to argue that a “job is a job” and that paid employees stimulate growth, then you have to look at the whole picture and the net cost/benefit.

So don’t simply frame this as a “government regulations kill jobs again” story. There is more to it than that.

We do need quarries, we just don’t need them a few miles upwind from major residential areas. The location for the quarry may have been fine had it been built 30 years ago, but Temecula grew and the situation changed. Granite just wanted to ignore the the new reality and press forward with an outdated plan.

There are right places to dig holes and there are wrong places. In 2011, where Granite wanted to dig was simply a wrong place.

[Anonymous]

Surveyor,

If you want to go down the “ripple effect” path, then we have to consider how much the tourism and other industries would have been hurt by the quarry. The tourism and wine industries provide way more than 100 jobs in Temecula.

No, we don’t want to build our economy solely on tourism either, but if you are going to argue that a “job is a job” and that paid employees stimulate growth, then you have to look at the whole picture and the net cost/benefit.

So don’t simply frame this as a “government regulations kill jobs again” story. There is more to it than that.

We do need quarries, we just don’t need them a few miles upwind from major residential areas. The location for the quarry may have been fine had it been built 30 years ago, but Temecula grew and the situation changed. Granite just wanted to ignore the the new reality and press forward with an outdated plan.

There are right places to dig holes and there are wrong places. In 2011, where Granite wanted to dig was simply a wrong place.

[surveyor]

Hey, pri no prob, gotcha message received. I agree with you, it’s better to just nip the project in the bud. We don’t need no stinkin’ business in Temecula or California.

No need to put conditions for mitigating the damage, or regulating the bad effects on the EIR, just refuse the project and wait for other companies to come along and just hand out money like a goose with the golden egg.

‘Til then, I’m TOTALLY fine with paying $500k for a 1000 square foot house with no backyard. I’m TOTALLY fine with paying $4/gallon gas. I’m so absolutely fine with sending money to China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia.

No, we don’t need to drill oil, mine coal, and use farmland, mine gravel.

I’m sure we can get our gravel from China. Or oil from Iran and Saudi Arabia. No harm there, right?

It’s for the greater good, right? Tourism and wineries. Dude, totally agree.

[surveyor]

Hey, pri no prob, gotcha message received. I agree with you, it’s better to just nip the project in the bud. We don’t need no stinkin’ business in Temecula or California.

No need to put conditions for mitigating the damage, or regulating the bad effects on the EIR, just refuse the project and wait for other companies to come along and just hand out money like a goose with the golden egg.

‘Til then, I’m TOTALLY fine with paying $500k for a 1000 square foot house with no backyard. I’m TOTALLY fine with paying $4/gallon gas. I’m so absolutely fine with sending money to China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia.

No, we don’t need to drill oil, mine coal, and use farmland, mine gravel.

I’m sure we can get our gravel from China. Or oil from Iran and Saudi Arabia. No harm there, right?

It’s for the greater good, right? Tourism and wineries. Dude, totally agree.

[surveyor]

Hey, pri no prob, gotcha message received. I agree with you, it’s better to just nip the project in the bud. We don’t need no stinkin’ business in Temecula or California.

No need to put conditions for mitigating the damage, or regulating the bad effects on the EIR, just refuse the project and wait for other companies to come along and just hand out money like a goose with the golden egg.

‘Til then, I’m TOTALLY fine with paying $500k for a 1000 square foot house with no backyard. I’m TOTALLY fine with paying $4/gallon gas. I’m so absolutely fine with sending money to China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia.

No, we don’t need to drill oil, mine coal, and use farmland, mine gravel.

I’m sure we can get our gravel from China. Or oil from Iran and Saudi Arabia. No harm there, right?

It’s for the greater good, right? Tourism and wineries. Dude, totally agree.

[scaredyclassic]

Yes. Just doing things for the sake of doing them is dumb. The damage often isn’t worth it.

Fire up the old asbestos plants and get everyone back to work?

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