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October 17, 2008 at 1:29 PM #289215October 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM #288885
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ParticipantMost certainly Iran is not currently a friend of the U.S. But I’m sure you know that alliances in politics are very fluid and constantly changing.
In fact, turn back the clock 30 years and you’ll find: Iraq and Iran were sworn enemies of one another. The U.S.’ enemy at the time was Saddam/Iraq. Therefore, the U.S. made a friend in Iran (which was easily controlled at the time via the Shah). However, the moment that control ended and a theocracy emerged, our friendship with Iran ended.
Everything changes.
That said, I don’t understand how you figure that Iraq is currently the enemy of Iran. I think the Iraqi government is so disorganized and the country is so balkanized that it is difficult to determine who its allies are. Moreover, Iran has been giving significant aid to Iraqi rebels and has become very influential in brokering peace and stirring up discontent. In fact, I would venture to say that as between Iraq and the U.S., Iran has decided to forge an alliance of sorts with certain factions of Iraq in a bid to destroy U.S. influence in the region.
In any event, this is beside the point. The fact remains: the corporate-controlled media steered Americans toward Bush in 2000 and 2004, and now it is steering the population toward a different *selected* candidate.
If history is any judge, the media has a very poor record of endorsing good candidates. There are many, many red flags about Obama that the media has simply turned a blind eye to, as it did during 2003 when failing to vet Bush’s case for the war. Another lawsuit has been filed this week challenging Obama’s citizenship. Both suits may be without any merit whatsoever, but the questions aren’t even being asked by the media. That’s what is disturbing. I find it odd that (a) Obama is seeking to dismiss the Berg suit without actually having to produce his birth certificate, when he could *arguably* produce a valid certificate and put an end to the issue and (b) the media has not mentioned one word about the fact that a presidential candidate and presumptive winner is being sued for lacking the basic qualifications to be president.
It’s just ODD – period.
October 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM #289194ParticipantMost certainly Iran is not currently a friend of the U.S. But I’m sure you know that alliances in politics are very fluid and constantly changing.
In fact, turn back the clock 30 years and you’ll find: Iraq and Iran were sworn enemies of one another. The U.S.’ enemy at the time was Saddam/Iraq. Therefore, the U.S. made a friend in Iran (which was easily controlled at the time via the Shah). However, the moment that control ended and a theocracy emerged, our friendship with Iran ended.
Everything changes.
That said, I don’t understand how you figure that Iraq is currently the enemy of Iran. I think the Iraqi government is so disorganized and the country is so balkanized that it is difficult to determine who its allies are. Moreover, Iran has been giving significant aid to Iraqi rebels and has become very influential in brokering peace and stirring up discontent. In fact, I would venture to say that as between Iraq and the U.S., Iran has decided to forge an alliance of sorts with certain factions of Iraq in a bid to destroy U.S. influence in the region.
In any event, this is beside the point. The fact remains: the corporate-controlled media steered Americans toward Bush in 2000 and 2004, and now it is steering the population toward a different *selected* candidate.
If history is any judge, the media has a very poor record of endorsing good candidates. There are many, many red flags about Obama that the media has simply turned a blind eye to, as it did during 2003 when failing to vet Bush’s case for the war. Another lawsuit has been filed this week challenging Obama’s citizenship. Both suits may be without any merit whatsoever, but the questions aren’t even being asked by the media. That’s what is disturbing. I find it odd that (a) Obama is seeking to dismiss the Berg suit without actually having to produce his birth certificate, when he could *arguably* produce a valid certificate and put an end to the issue and (b) the media has not mentioned one word about the fact that a presidential candidate and presumptive winner is being sued for lacking the basic qualifications to be president.
It’s just ODD – period.
October 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM #289202ParticipantMost certainly Iran is not currently a friend of the U.S. But I’m sure you know that alliances in politics are very fluid and constantly changing.
In fact, turn back the clock 30 years and you’ll find: Iraq and Iran were sworn enemies of one another. The U.S.’ enemy at the time was Saddam/Iraq. Therefore, the U.S. made a friend in Iran (which was easily controlled at the time via the Shah). However, the moment that control ended and a theocracy emerged, our friendship with Iran ended.
Everything changes.
That said, I don’t understand how you figure that Iraq is currently the enemy of Iran. I think the Iraqi government is so disorganized and the country is so balkanized that it is difficult to determine who its allies are. Moreover, Iran has been giving significant aid to Iraqi rebels and has become very influential in brokering peace and stirring up discontent. In fact, I would venture to say that as between Iraq and the U.S., Iran has decided to forge an alliance of sorts with certain factions of Iraq in a bid to destroy U.S. influence in the region.
In any event, this is beside the point. The fact remains: the corporate-controlled media steered Americans toward Bush in 2000 and 2004, and now it is steering the population toward a different *selected* candidate.
If history is any judge, the media has a very poor record of endorsing good candidates. There are many, many red flags about Obama that the media has simply turned a blind eye to, as it did during 2003 when failing to vet Bush’s case for the war. Another lawsuit has been filed this week challenging Obama’s citizenship. Both suits may be without any merit whatsoever, but the questions aren’t even being asked by the media. That’s what is disturbing. I find it odd that (a) Obama is seeking to dismiss the Berg suit without actually having to produce his birth certificate, when he could *arguably* produce a valid certificate and put an end to the issue and (b) the media has not mentioned one word about the fact that a presidential candidate and presumptive winner is being sued for lacking the basic qualifications to be president.
It’s just ODD – period.
October 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM #289232ParticipantMost certainly Iran is not currently a friend of the U.S. But I’m sure you know that alliances in politics are very fluid and constantly changing.
In fact, turn back the clock 30 years and you’ll find: Iraq and Iran were sworn enemies of one another. The U.S.’ enemy at the time was Saddam/Iraq. Therefore, the U.S. made a friend in Iran (which was easily controlled at the time via the Shah). However, the moment that control ended and a theocracy emerged, our friendship with Iran ended.
Everything changes.
That said, I don’t understand how you figure that Iraq is currently the enemy of Iran. I think the Iraqi government is so disorganized and the country is so balkanized that it is difficult to determine who its allies are. Moreover, Iran has been giving significant aid to Iraqi rebels and has become very influential in brokering peace and stirring up discontent. In fact, I would venture to say that as between Iraq and the U.S., Iran has decided to forge an alliance of sorts with certain factions of Iraq in a bid to destroy U.S. influence in the region.
In any event, this is beside the point. The fact remains: the corporate-controlled media steered Americans toward Bush in 2000 and 2004, and now it is steering the population toward a different *selected* candidate.
If history is any judge, the media has a very poor record of endorsing good candidates. There are many, many red flags about Obama that the media has simply turned a blind eye to, as it did during 2003 when failing to vet Bush’s case for the war. Another lawsuit has been filed this week challenging Obama’s citizenship. Both suits may be without any merit whatsoever, but the questions aren’t even being asked by the media. That’s what is disturbing. I find it odd that (a) Obama is seeking to dismiss the Berg suit without actually having to produce his birth certificate, when he could *arguably* produce a valid certificate and put an end to the issue and (b) the media has not mentioned one word about the fact that a presidential candidate and presumptive winner is being sued for lacking the basic qualifications to be president.
It’s just ODD – period.
October 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM #289235ParticipantMost certainly Iran is not currently a friend of the U.S. But I’m sure you know that alliances in politics are very fluid and constantly changing.
In fact, turn back the clock 30 years and you’ll find: Iraq and Iran were sworn enemies of one another. The U.S.’ enemy at the time was Saddam/Iraq. Therefore, the U.S. made a friend in Iran (which was easily controlled at the time via the Shah). However, the moment that control ended and a theocracy emerged, our friendship with Iran ended.
Everything changes.
That said, I don’t understand how you figure that Iraq is currently the enemy of Iran. I think the Iraqi government is so disorganized and the country is so balkanized that it is difficult to determine who its allies are. Moreover, Iran has been giving significant aid to Iraqi rebels and has become very influential in brokering peace and stirring up discontent. In fact, I would venture to say that as between Iraq and the U.S., Iran has decided to forge an alliance of sorts with certain factions of Iraq in a bid to destroy U.S. influence in the region.
In any event, this is beside the point. The fact remains: the corporate-controlled media steered Americans toward Bush in 2000 and 2004, and now it is steering the population toward a different *selected* candidate.
If history is any judge, the media has a very poor record of endorsing good candidates. There are many, many red flags about Obama that the media has simply turned a blind eye to, as it did during 2003 when failing to vet Bush’s case for the war. Another lawsuit has been filed this week challenging Obama’s citizenship. Both suits may be without any merit whatsoever, but the questions aren’t even being asked by the media. That’s what is disturbing. I find it odd that (a) Obama is seeking to dismiss the Berg suit without actually having to produce his birth certificate, when he could *arguably* produce a valid certificate and put an end to the issue and (b) the media has not mentioned one word about the fact that a presidential candidate and presumptive winner is being sued for lacking the basic qualifications to be president.
It’s just ODD – period.
October 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM #288900Participant“partypup,
McCain is lampooned more than Obama because he is a massive screwup. Just look at what he did last night in the debate. He made this ‘Joe’ the Plumber guy famous. McCain’s whole debate strategy was to paint Obama as a wealth redistributor because Obama was going to tax ‘Joe’ at a higher rate and give ‘Joe’s money to someone else.”Joe the Plumber is white noise. Under either candidate, our taxes are going to go sky high, so let’s get away from that red herring. The U.S. economy is DEAD.
The overblown Joe story — and McCain’s lack of eloquence, ownership of 10 houses and notoriously cranky nature — have no bearing whatsoever on Obama’s troublesome Freddie/Fannie contributions, Ayers, ACORN and Wright, the two (2) suits regarding his citizenship, caucus fraud…the list goes on. I’d say all of these are “screw-ups” of an even higher and more disturbing level.
Breeze, watch just 5 minutes of this documentary and tell me you aren’t concerned by what voters experienced during the 2008 Democratic primaries: http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/index.htm
Let’s be clear: I am not defending McCain; I am defending the process. I am simply questioning why the media is not doing its job and asking and pursuing the obvious questions about Obama. And I am also questioning why Democrats — like Republicans — will look the other way when abuse occurs, when suspicious circumstances abound — simply because *their* guy is in office.
I was enraged by Clinton’s perjury when I was Democrat, outraged by Bush’s fraud in 2000 and the ongoing 8 years of abuse of the Constitution, and I am appalled by Obama’s mis-deeds, associations with ACORN voter fraud and his ties to Rezko and a deeply-corrupt Chicago machine. I was once a Democrat. No more.
We need to look beyond party and start giving respect to the process.
October 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM #289209Participant“partypup,
McCain is lampooned more than Obama because he is a massive screwup. Just look at what he did last night in the debate. He made this ‘Joe’ the Plumber guy famous. McCain’s whole debate strategy was to paint Obama as a wealth redistributor because Obama was going to tax ‘Joe’ at a higher rate and give ‘Joe’s money to someone else.”Joe the Plumber is white noise. Under either candidate, our taxes are going to go sky high, so let’s get away from that red herring. The U.S. economy is DEAD.
The overblown Joe story — and McCain’s lack of eloquence, ownership of 10 houses and notoriously cranky nature — have no bearing whatsoever on Obama’s troublesome Freddie/Fannie contributions, Ayers, ACORN and Wright, the two (2) suits regarding his citizenship, caucus fraud…the list goes on. I’d say all of these are “screw-ups” of an even higher and more disturbing level.
Breeze, watch just 5 minutes of this documentary and tell me you aren’t concerned by what voters experienced during the 2008 Democratic primaries: http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/index.htm
Let’s be clear: I am not defending McCain; I am defending the process. I am simply questioning why the media is not doing its job and asking and pursuing the obvious questions about Obama. And I am also questioning why Democrats — like Republicans — will look the other way when abuse occurs, when suspicious circumstances abound — simply because *their* guy is in office.
I was enraged by Clinton’s perjury when I was Democrat, outraged by Bush’s fraud in 2000 and the ongoing 8 years of abuse of the Constitution, and I am appalled by Obama’s mis-deeds, associations with ACORN voter fraud and his ties to Rezko and a deeply-corrupt Chicago machine. I was once a Democrat. No more.
We need to look beyond party and start giving respect to the process.
October 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM #289218Participant“partypup,
McCain is lampooned more than Obama because he is a massive screwup. Just look at what he did last night in the debate. He made this ‘Joe’ the Plumber guy famous. McCain’s whole debate strategy was to paint Obama as a wealth redistributor because Obama was going to tax ‘Joe’ at a higher rate and give ‘Joe’s money to someone else.”Joe the Plumber is white noise. Under either candidate, our taxes are going to go sky high, so let’s get away from that red herring. The U.S. economy is DEAD.
The overblown Joe story — and McCain’s lack of eloquence, ownership of 10 houses and notoriously cranky nature — have no bearing whatsoever on Obama’s troublesome Freddie/Fannie contributions, Ayers, ACORN and Wright, the two (2) suits regarding his citizenship, caucus fraud…the list goes on. I’d say all of these are “screw-ups” of an even higher and more disturbing level.
Breeze, watch just 5 minutes of this documentary and tell me you aren’t concerned by what voters experienced during the 2008 Democratic primaries: http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/index.htm
Let’s be clear: I am not defending McCain; I am defending the process. I am simply questioning why the media is not doing its job and asking and pursuing the obvious questions about Obama. And I am also questioning why Democrats — like Republicans — will look the other way when abuse occurs, when suspicious circumstances abound — simply because *their* guy is in office.
I was enraged by Clinton’s perjury when I was Democrat, outraged by Bush’s fraud in 2000 and the ongoing 8 years of abuse of the Constitution, and I am appalled by Obama’s mis-deeds, associations with ACORN voter fraud and his ties to Rezko and a deeply-corrupt Chicago machine. I was once a Democrat. No more.
We need to look beyond party and start giving respect to the process.
October 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM #289247Participant“partypup,
McCain is lampooned more than Obama because he is a massive screwup. Just look at what he did last night in the debate. He made this ‘Joe’ the Plumber guy famous. McCain’s whole debate strategy was to paint Obama as a wealth redistributor because Obama was going to tax ‘Joe’ at a higher rate and give ‘Joe’s money to someone else.”Joe the Plumber is white noise. Under either candidate, our taxes are going to go sky high, so let’s get away from that red herring. The U.S. economy is DEAD.
The overblown Joe story — and McCain’s lack of eloquence, ownership of 10 houses and notoriously cranky nature — have no bearing whatsoever on Obama’s troublesome Freddie/Fannie contributions, Ayers, ACORN and Wright, the two (2) suits regarding his citizenship, caucus fraud…the list goes on. I’d say all of these are “screw-ups” of an even higher and more disturbing level.
Breeze, watch just 5 minutes of this documentary and tell me you aren’t concerned by what voters experienced during the 2008 Democratic primaries: http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/index.htm
Let’s be clear: I am not defending McCain; I am defending the process. I am simply questioning why the media is not doing its job and asking and pursuing the obvious questions about Obama. And I am also questioning why Democrats — like Republicans — will look the other way when abuse occurs, when suspicious circumstances abound — simply because *their* guy is in office.
I was enraged by Clinton’s perjury when I was Democrat, outraged by Bush’s fraud in 2000 and the ongoing 8 years of abuse of the Constitution, and I am appalled by Obama’s mis-deeds, associations with ACORN voter fraud and his ties to Rezko and a deeply-corrupt Chicago machine. I was once a Democrat. No more.
We need to look beyond party and start giving respect to the process.
October 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM #289250Participant“partypup,
McCain is lampooned more than Obama because he is a massive screwup. Just look at what he did last night in the debate. He made this ‘Joe’ the Plumber guy famous. McCain’s whole debate strategy was to paint Obama as a wealth redistributor because Obama was going to tax ‘Joe’ at a higher rate and give ‘Joe’s money to someone else.”Joe the Plumber is white noise. Under either candidate, our taxes are going to go sky high, so let’s get away from that red herring. The U.S. economy is DEAD.
The overblown Joe story — and McCain’s lack of eloquence, ownership of 10 houses and notoriously cranky nature — have no bearing whatsoever on Obama’s troublesome Freddie/Fannie contributions, Ayers, ACORN and Wright, the two (2) suits regarding his citizenship, caucus fraud…the list goes on. I’d say all of these are “screw-ups” of an even higher and more disturbing level.
Breeze, watch just 5 minutes of this documentary and tell me you aren’t concerned by what voters experienced during the 2008 Democratic primaries: http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/index.htm
Let’s be clear: I am not defending McCain; I am defending the process. I am simply questioning why the media is not doing its job and asking and pursuing the obvious questions about Obama. And I am also questioning why Democrats — like Republicans — will look the other way when abuse occurs, when suspicious circumstances abound — simply because *their* guy is in office.
I was enraged by Clinton’s perjury when I was Democrat, outraged by Bush’s fraud in 2000 and the ongoing 8 years of abuse of the Constitution, and I am appalled by Obama’s mis-deeds, associations with ACORN voter fraud and his ties to Rezko and a deeply-corrupt Chicago machine. I was once a Democrat. No more.
We need to look beyond party and start giving respect to the process.
October 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM #289381Aecetia
ParticipantPartypup,
As always you are insightful, honest and a true believer. This is a No Koolade zone when you post. Thanks for the unadulterated honesty.
October 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM #289689ParticipantPartypup,
As always you are insightful, honest and a true believer. This is a No Koolade zone when you post. Thanks for the unadulterated honesty.
October 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM #289697ParticipantPartypup,
As always you are insightful, honest and a true believer. This is a No Koolade zone when you post. Thanks for the unadulterated honesty.
October 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM #289728ParticipantPartypup,
As always you are insightful, honest and a true believer. This is a No Koolade zone when you post. Thanks for the unadulterated honesty.
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