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December 18, 2012 at 3:26 PM #756601December 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM #756605
SK in CV
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Aecetia: Chicago is pretty much Ground Zero right now for out of control gun violence in the US.[/quote]And Rahm is pretty much ground zero for shut-the-fuck-up.
December 18, 2012 at 4:19 PM #756606Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Aecetia: Chicago is pretty much Ground Zero right now for out of control gun violence in the US.[/quote]And Rahm is pretty much ground zero for shut-the-fuck-up.[/quote]
SK: Can you imagine a job MORE perfect for Rahm, than mayor of Chicago? Seriously.
As an aside, it will be interesting to watch how a Dem mayor like Rahm confronts the various issues in Chicago, many of which puts him in direct conflict with previous allies, such as the teacher’s unions and Big Labor. Something has to give, and Rahm is the consummate Machiavellian. It will be fun to watch.
December 18, 2012 at 8:37 PM #756614paramount
ParticipantPossible video of a Sandy Hook man-in-the-woods suspect?
http://www.businessinsider.com/sandy-hook-man-in-the-woods-video-2012-12
December 19, 2012 at 12:47 AM #756634CA renter
Participant[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=ocrenter][quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar]The argument about using AK 47’s to fight the government is ludicrous.[/quote]
Why? Do you really believe “it can’t happen here”?
No offense, but that’s incredibly naive.[/quote]
but to argue for the utility of semi-automatics in our society on that point is bordering on clinical paranoia.[/quote]
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that people cook up hypothetical scenarios where they need such weapons to protect their life & liberty. However their actions actually take lives and actually reduce liberty of everyone else in the real world.
I guess, protection life and liberty of your own, even in extremely unlikely scenario, takes precedence over the real world life and liberty of others![/quote]
Let’s hope it’s an extremely unlikely scenario. Aside from that, once you’ve gotten the “semi-automatic guns” out of the hands of all law-abiding citizens, what would you do to stop this:
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Hezbollah’s attacks in 1983 during the Lebanese Civil War are the first examples of the modern suicide terrorism.[14] Workers Party of Kurdistan (PKK) used the first suicide attack in 1996, and al Queda in the mid-1990s.[14] The number of attacks using suicide tactics has grown from an average of fewer than five per year during the 1980s to 180 per year between 2000 and 2005,[15] and from 81 suicide attacks in 2001 to 460 in 2005.[16] These attacks have been aimed at diverse military and civilian targets, including in Sri Lanka, in Israel since July 6, 1989,[17] in Iraq since the US-led invasion of that country in 2003, in Pakistan since 2001 and in Afghanistan since 2005 and in Somalia since 2006.[18][19]
Between 1980 and 2000 the largest number of suicide attacks was carried out by separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) of Sri Lanka. The first suicide attack by LTTE was in 1987.[14] The number of attacks conducted by LTTE was almost double that of nine other major extremist organizations.[20]
In Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, suicide bombings have been perpetrated generally by Islamist and occasionally by secular Palestinian groups including the PFLP.[21] In 1993, Hamas carried out the first suicide attack.[14] Between October 2000 and October 2006, there were 167 clearly identified suicide bomber attacks, with 51 other types of suicide attack.[22] It has been suggested that there were so many volunteers for the “Istishhadia” in the Second Intifada in Israel and the occupied territories, that recruiters and dispatchers had a ‘larger pool of candidates’ than ever before.[22]
In the ten years after September 11, 2001, there were 336 suicide attacks in Afghanistan and 303 in Pakistan, while there were 1,003 documented suicide attacks in Iraq between March 20, 2003, and December 31, 2010.[23] Suicide bombings have also become a tactic in Chechnya, first being used in the conflict in 2000 in Alkhan Kala.[24] A number of suicide attacks have also occurred in Russia as a result of the Chechen conflict, notably including the Moscow theater hostage crisis in 2002 to the Beslan school hostage crisis in 2004.[25] The 2010 Moscow Metro bombings are also believed to result from the Chechen conflict.
There have also been suicide attacks in Western Europe and the United States. The September 11 World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks killed nearly 3000 people in New York, Washington D.C and Shanksville, Pennsylvania in 2001.[26] An attack in London on 7 July 2005 killed 52 people.[27]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack
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If a sociopath wants to kill, they are going to kill. Making a certain type of weapon illegal is not going to stop him.
You are totally ignoring the **cause** of these mass murders. What is it about our society that is causing people — usually young men — to take a weapon (any kind of weapon) and use it against innocent strangers?
I think it’s imperative that we look more closely at the evidence showing how violent video games and movies affect developing minds, and how technology is affecting people’s ability to empathize.
This study focused on adult males. Can you imagine the effects on young brains that are still developing?
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/07/137660609/its-a-duel-how-do-violent-video-games-affect-kids
December 19, 2012 at 7:28 AM #756638livinincali
Participant[quote=CA renter]
I think it’s imperative that we look more closely at the evidence showing how violent video games and movies affect developing minds, and how technology is affecting people’s ability to empathize.
[/quote]We got so close to actually getting to the real issue which is mental health problems and treatments. Then we had to blame violent video games. Blame the guns, blame the video games, blame the bullying, blame something other than the real issue which is we diagnosis our kids with mental issues and then medicate the hell out of them.
It’s time for people to be parents. It’s time for people to start accepting responsibility for their actions. It’s time to start teaching our kids that winning and losing aren’t the same thing. We think if a kid has a mental issue we can just pop a pill and it will all be alright. It takes more work than that unfortunately. Address the mental health issues and treatment programs. That’s where the real solution lies. Eliminate the guns and next mass murder is a 5 gallon can of gas or a car.
December 19, 2012 at 8:41 AM #756644Participant[quote=livinincali][quote=CA renter]
I think it’s imperative that we look more closely at the evidence showing how violent video games and movies affect developing minds, and how technology is affecting people’s ability to empathize.
[/quote]We got so close to actually getting to the real issue which is mental health problems and treatments. Then we had to blame violent video games. Blame the guns, blame the video games, blame the bullying, blame something other than the real issue which is we diagnosis our kids with mental issues and then medicate the hell out of them.
It’s time for people to be parents. It’s time for people to start accepting responsibility for their actions. It’s time to start teaching our kids that winning and losing aren’t the same thing. We think if a kid has a mental issue we can just pop a pill and it will all be alright. It takes more work than that unfortunately. Address the mental health issues and treatment programs. That’s where the real solution lies. Eliminate the guns and next mass murder is a 5 gallon can of gas or a car.[/quote]
Bingo. Excellent post and spot on.
December 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM #756646scaredyclassic
ParticipantThe odds of 80,000 people getting shot in the next year in the USA very high.
The odds of armed citizenry stopping a a few dozen people from getting shot next yr.
Very very low.
December 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM #756647ParticipantThe odds of 80,000 people getting shot in the next year in the USA very high.
The odds of armed citizenry stopping a a few dozen people from getting shot next yr.
Very very low.
Check out the car accident responsibility thread
These are the maniacs we deal with.
Armed and self righteous and narcissistic.
Bulletproof vests for all students stat.
December 19, 2012 at 10:55 AM #756649no_such_reality
ParticipantUnfortunately, it may go much further than that. At 20, the attacker would have been part of the generation of boys that had the living ____ medicated out of them for basically, behaving like boys.
As a society, our range of acceptable behavior in public settings, such as school, has narrowed considerably. Fall outside the increasingly idealized behavior and you are stigmatized, labeled, segregated and likely forced into being medicated with mind altering drugs unless your parents fight like hell or lie.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=livinincali][quote=CA renter]
I think it’s imperative that we look more closely at the evidence showing how violent video games and movies affect developing minds, and how technology is affecting people’s ability to empathize.
[/quote]We got so close to actually getting to the real issue which is mental health problems and treatments. Then we had to blame violent video games. Blame the guns, blame the video games, blame the bullying, blame something other than the real issue which is we diagnosis our kids with mental issues and then medicate the hell out of them.
It’s time for people to be parents. It’s time for people to start accepting responsibility for their actions. It’s time to start teaching our kids that winning and losing aren’t the same thing. We think if a kid has a mental issue we can just pop a pill and it will all be alright. It takes more work than that unfortunately. Address the mental health issues and treatment programs. That’s where the real solution lies. Eliminate the guns and next mass murder is a 5 gallon can of gas or a car.[/quote]
Bingo. Excellent post and spot on.[/quote]
December 19, 2012 at 11:00 AM #756648sdduuuude
Participant[quote=sdduuuude] … what makes you safe is a society in which people derive little or no benefit from harming others.[/quote]
[quote=livinincali]We got so close to actually getting to the real issue which is mental health problems and treatments.[/quote]
Similar ideas here. Mentally ill people see some benefit to their actions, I’m sure.
Build a society where you can advance without violence, and keep the crazies in check and there is no need to ban stuff.
Good post, livinincali.
December 19, 2012 at 12:53 PM #756650Huckleberry
ParticipantRegarding more firearm laws…
Another failure of “gun-free zones”! The answer? More of the same of course! We have over 20000 gun control laws already on the books, and that’s just at the federal level. These incompetently-written laws of course fail miserably to reduce crime, but their failures are a feature, not a bug. They provide the rationalization for gun-haters to come back demanding more, every time.
If gun control laws reduce shootings, why are all the worst cesspools of violent crime located in cities and states that have had the most draconian anti-gun laws in the nation on the books for decades? …and how dare you demand that the rest of us share in the misery that gun-control proponents have conned those poor people into accepting!
Why are such a vast majority of mass killings perpetrated in these “gun-free zones” — schools, theaters, shopping malls, where the victims can do nothing but wait to be shot down like animals? It’s a simple question, but I’ve never witnessed an anti-gun person even attempt to answer it.
Did you hear about the mass shooting at the local gun show last weekend?
Yeah, neither did I.
Shame on you for supporting this demagoguery.
December 19, 2012 at 1:49 PM #756654Aecetia
ParticipantNosuchreality and Huckleberry nailed it. Great posts!
December 19, 2012 at 2:15 PM #756655bearishgurl
ParticipantThis just came in:
…The president also called on Congress Wednesday to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and to pass legislation that would close the gun show “loophole,” which allows people to purchase firearms from private dealers without a background check. Obama also said he wanted Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity ammunition clips…
December 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM #756657Participant[quote=Huckleberry]Regarding more firearm laws…
Another failure of “gun-free zones”! The answer? More of the same of course! We have over 20000 gun control laws already on the books, and that’s just at the federal level. These incompetently-written laws of course fail miserably to reduce crime, but their failures are a feature, not a bug. They provide the rationalization for gun-haters to come back demanding more, every time.
If gun control laws reduce shootings, why are all the worst cesspools of violent crime located in cities and states that have had the most draconian anti-gun laws in the nation on the books for decades? …and how dare you demand that the rest of us share in the misery that gun-control proponents have conned those poor people into accepting!
Why are such a vast majority of mass killings perpetrated in these “gun-free zones” — schools, theaters, shopping malls, where the victims can do nothing but wait to be shot down like animals? It’s a simple question, but I’ve never witnessed an anti-gun person even attempt to answer it.
Did you hear about the mass shooting at the local gun show last weekend?
Yeah, neither did I.
Shame on you for supporting this demagoguery.[/quote]
ronald reagan was surrounded by armed secret service dudes in a non-gun-free zone and the armed dudes who presumably were well trained on red alert. and he got shot. and so did brady.
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