OT: “The End of Men”: Women dominating college/New Jobs, can’t find marriageable prospects

[bearishgurl]

[quote=no_such_reality]As a reply, I point to the following: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/04/business/la-fi-phd-blues-20100604

Draw your own conclusions…[/quote]

So true, no_such_reality. I’ve known so many people over the years with J.D.’s (whether or not they’ve passed the State Bar, they can’t fund their own malpractice ins) attempting to do the same work I am (I have a “certificate” – no bachelor degree). It’s sad, because they really DID put themselves in debt for school, many for well over $100K.

You can’t get the experience I have from school. It only comes from experience. CA law schools prepare you to take the bar exam in any state. They don’t teach you CA law, the CA Rules of Court, the SD “local” rules of court, or even Judge BLANK’s rules. This knowledge only comes from experience. The “trenches” is the only way to get it.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=no_such_reality]As a reply, I point to the following: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/04/business/la-fi-phd-blues-20100604

Draw your own conclusions…[/quote]

So true, no_such_reality. I’ve known so many people over the years with J.D.’s (whether or not they’ve passed the State Bar, they can’t fund their own malpractice ins) attempting to do the same work I am (I have a “certificate” – no bachelor degree). It’s sad, because they really DID put themselves in debt for school, many for well over $100K.

You can’t get the experience I have from school. It only comes from experience. CA law schools prepare you to take the bar exam in any state. They don’t teach you CA law, the CA Rules of Court, the SD “local” rules of court, or even Judge BLANK’s rules. This knowledge only comes from experience. The “trenches” is the only way to get it.[/quote]

I think the converse to this, just don’t think that not having a college degree is going to be ok for people these days also. It’s not just about getting a degree, it a lot of time is also important in
1) what you get it in
2) if what you get it in needs a degree.

I don’t think you will find too many un-degreed doctors…And while generally you might find some folks who don’t have degrees in engineering, those are usually the exception than the norm….

I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…

I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=no_such_reality]As a reply, I point to the following: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/04/business/la-fi-phd-blues-20100604

Draw your own conclusions…[/quote]

So true, no_such_reality. I’ve known so many people over the years with J.D.’s (whether or not they’ve passed the State Bar, they can’t fund their own malpractice ins) attempting to do the same work I am (I have a “certificate” – no bachelor degree). It’s sad, because they really DID put themselves in debt for school, many for well over $100K.

You can’t get the experience I have from school. It only comes from experience. CA law schools prepare you to take the bar exam in any state. They don’t teach you CA law, the CA Rules of Court, the SD “local” rules of court, or even Judge BLANK’s rules. This knowledge only comes from experience. The “trenches” is the only way to get it.[/quote]

I think the converse to this, just don’t think that not having a college degree is going to be ok for people these days also. It’s not just about getting a degree, it a lot of time is also important in
1) what you get it in
2) if what you get it in needs a degree.

I don’t think you will find too many un-degreed doctors…And while generally you might find some folks who don’t have degrees in engineering, those are usually the exception than the norm….

I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…

I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=no_such_reality]As a reply, I point to the following: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/04/business/la-fi-phd-blues-20100604

Draw your own conclusions…[/quote]

So true, no_such_reality. I’ve known so many people over the years with J.D.’s (whether or not they’ve passed the State Bar, they can’t fund their own malpractice ins) attempting to do the same work I am (I have a “certificate” – no bachelor degree). It’s sad, because they really DID put themselves in debt for school, many for well over $100K.

You can’t get the experience I have from school. It only comes from experience. CA law schools prepare you to take the bar exam in any state. They don’t teach you CA law, the CA Rules of Court, the SD “local” rules of court, or even Judge BLANK’s rules. This knowledge only comes from experience. The “trenches” is the only way to get it.[/quote]

I think the converse to this, just don’t think that not having a college degree is going to be ok for people these days also. It’s not just about getting a degree, it a lot of time is also important in
1) what you get it in
2) if what you get it in needs a degree.

I don’t think you will find too many un-degreed doctors…And while generally you might find some folks who don’t have degrees in engineering, those are usually the exception than the norm….

I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…

I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=no_such_reality]As a reply, I point to the following: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/04/business/la-fi-phd-blues-20100604

Draw your own conclusions…[/quote]

So true, no_such_reality. I’ve known so many people over the years with J.D.’s (whether or not they’ve passed the State Bar, they can’t fund their own malpractice ins) attempting to do the same work I am (I have a “certificate” – no bachelor degree). It’s sad, because they really DID put themselves in debt for school, many for well over $100K.

You can’t get the experience I have from school. It only comes from experience. CA law schools prepare you to take the bar exam in any state. They don’t teach you CA law, the CA Rules of Court, the SD “local” rules of court, or even Judge BLANK’s rules. This knowledge only comes from experience. The “trenches” is the only way to get it.[/quote]

I think the converse to this, just don’t think that not having a college degree is going to be ok for people these days also. It’s not just about getting a degree, it a lot of time is also important in
1) what you get it in
2) if what you get it in needs a degree.

I don’t think you will find too many un-degreed doctors…And while generally you might find some folks who don’t have degrees in engineering, those are usually the exception than the norm….

I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…

I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=no_such_reality]As a reply, I point to the following: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/04/business/la-fi-phd-blues-20100604

Draw your own conclusions…[/quote]

So true, no_such_reality. I’ve known so many people over the years with J.D.’s (whether or not they’ve passed the State Bar, they can’t fund their own malpractice ins) attempting to do the same work I am (I have a “certificate” – no bachelor degree). It’s sad, because they really DID put themselves in debt for school, many for well over $100K.

You can’t get the experience I have from school. It only comes from experience. CA law schools prepare you to take the bar exam in any state. They don’t teach you CA law, the CA Rules of Court, the SD “local” rules of court, or even Judge BLANK’s rules. This knowledge only comes from experience. The “trenches” is the only way to get it.[/quote]

I think the converse to this, just don’t think that not having a college degree is going to be ok for people these days also. It’s not just about getting a degree, it a lot of time is also important in
1) what you get it in
2) if what you get it in needs a degree.

I don’t think you will find too many un-degreed doctors…And while generally you might find some folks who don’t have degrees in engineering, those are usually the exception than the norm….

I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…

I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…[/quote]

flu, my kids have only attended public universities. Our family doesn’t believe in student loans as they only hamstring the student later on in life and cripple the near-retirement-age parent who has taken out a HELOC for college expenses. I don’t believe they are worth the $$. That’s my take and also my kids’ take, who are debt-free. I’ve seen too many unemployed and under-employed “college graduates” in my day.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…[/quote]

flu, my kids have only attended public universities. Our family doesn’t believe in student loans as they only hamstring the student later on in life and cripple the near-retirement-age parent who has taken out a HELOC for college expenses. I don’t believe they are worth the $$. That’s my take and also my kids’ take, who are debt-free. I’ve seen too many unemployed and under-employed “college graduates” in my day.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…[/quote]

flu, my kids have only attended public universities. Our family doesn’t believe in student loans as they only hamstring the student later on in life and cripple the near-retirement-age parent who has taken out a HELOC for college expenses. I don’t believe they are worth the $$. That’s my take and also my kids’ take, who are debt-free. I’ve seen too many unemployed and under-employed “college graduates” in my day.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…[/quote]

flu, my kids have only attended public universities. Our family doesn’t believe in student loans as they only hamstring the student later on in life and cripple the near-retirement-age parent who has taken out a HELOC for college expenses. I don’t believe they are worth the $$. That’s my take and also my kids’ take, who are debt-free. I’ve seen too many unemployed and under-employed “college graduates” in my day.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…[/quote]

flu, my kids have only attended public universities. Our family doesn’t believe in student loans as they only hamstring the student later on in life and cripple the near-retirement-age parent who has taken out a HELOC for college expenses. I don’t believe they are worth the $$. That’s my take and also my kids’ take, who are debt-free. I’ve seen too many unemployed and under-employed “college graduates” in my day.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.[/quote]

flu, the knowledge to work in the civil law field in CA, can only be gotten from working locally, in a particular jurisdiction as every county is slightly different. There is nothing to substitute for local work experience. I can’t comment on other professions.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.[/quote]

flu, the knowledge to work in the civil law field in CA, can only be gotten from working locally, in a particular jurisdiction as every county is slightly different. There is nothing to substitute for local work experience. I can’t comment on other professions.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.[/quote]

flu, the knowledge to work in the civil law field in CA, can only be gotten from working locally, in a particular jurisdiction as every county is slightly different. There is nothing to substitute for local work experience. I can’t comment on other professions.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu] . . . I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.[/quote]

flu, the knowledge to work in the civil law field in CA, can only be gotten from working locally, in a particular jurisdiction as every county is slightly different. There is nothing to substitute for local work experience. I can’t comment on other professions.

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