OT: “The End of Men”: Women dominating college/New Jobs, can’t find marriageable prospects

[bearishgurl]

[quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]

eavesdropper, make that clear up thru the mid-seventies. I had a waitress job during about four years of this “era” where I wore a low-backed gathered miniskirt uniform with a girdle-like cumberbund. All of us waitresses had to “spray-starch” the long back ties of our cumberbunds at home and arrive at work 15 mins. before our shift started. The gen’l mgr and shift mgr (both males) always sat at the same table during that late-afternoon slow time. We all had to line up beside the “mgr. table” and one by one visit the “male mgr. recieving line.” When a waitress got to the head of the line, the first mgr would inspect her earrings, hairstyle, pantyhose and condition of fingernails and shoes to determine if she met company policy and the second mgr would slowly tie her starched “tails” into a big beautiful bow and when he was done, spank her on the butt and say, “Suzie, you pass. Report to Station 8” or wherever. This went on until all waitresses on that shift were “prepped.” Every day, the mgrs. would switch so they could each take turns doing the spanking. If there were customers in the dining room, they were entertained by this little procession. Of course, there were no waiters there. This was a female job only.

This was all perfectly legal and none of us waitresses thought anything about it. It was just part of the procedure before our shifts began. All of us made great money and we could have cared less about this – just laughed it off!

[CA renter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]

eavesdropper, make that clear up thru the mid-seventies. I had a waitress job during about four years of this “era” where I wore a low-backed gathered miniskirt uniform with a girdle-like cumberbund. All of us waitresses had to “spray-starch” the long back ties of our cumberbunds at home and arrive at work 15 mins. before our shift started. The gen’l mgr and shift mgr (both males) always sat at the same table during that late-afternoon slow time. We all had to line up beside the “mgr. table” and one by one visit the “male mgr. recieving line.” When a waitress got to the head of the line, the first mgr would inspect her earrings, hairstyle, pantyhose and condition of fingernails and shoes to determine if she met company policy and the second mgr would slowly tie her starched “tails” into a big beautiful bow and when he was done, spank her on the butt and say, “Suzie, you pass. Report to Station 8” or wherever. This went on until all waitresses on that shift were “prepped.” Every day, the mgrs. would switch so they could each take turns doing the spanking. If there were customers in the dining room, they were entertained by this little procession. Of course, there were no waiters there. This was a female job only.

This was all perfectly legal and none of us waitresses thought anything about it. It was just part of the procedure before our shifts began. All of us made great money and we could have cared less about this – just laughed it off![/quote]

Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

🙁

[CA renter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]

eavesdropper, make that clear up thru the mid-seventies. I had a waitress job during about four years of this “era” where I wore a low-backed gathered miniskirt uniform with a girdle-like cumberbund. All of us waitresses had to “spray-starch” the long back ties of our cumberbunds at home and arrive at work 15 mins. before our shift started. The gen’l mgr and shift mgr (both males) always sat at the same table during that late-afternoon slow time. We all had to line up beside the “mgr. table” and one by one visit the “male mgr. recieving line.” When a waitress got to the head of the line, the first mgr would inspect her earrings, hairstyle, pantyhose and condition of fingernails and shoes to determine if she met company policy and the second mgr would slowly tie her starched “tails” into a big beautiful bow and when he was done, spank her on the butt and say, “Suzie, you pass. Report to Station 8” or wherever. This went on until all waitresses on that shift were “prepped.” Every day, the mgrs. would switch so they could each take turns doing the spanking. If there were customers in the dining room, they were entertained by this little procession. Of course, there were no waiters there. This was a female job only.

This was all perfectly legal and none of us waitresses thought anything about it. It was just part of the procedure before our shifts began. All of us made great money and we could have cared less about this – just laughed it off![/quote]

Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

🙁

[CA renter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]

eavesdropper, make that clear up thru the mid-seventies. I had a waitress job during about four years of this “era” where I wore a low-backed gathered miniskirt uniform with a girdle-like cumberbund. All of us waitresses had to “spray-starch” the long back ties of our cumberbunds at home and arrive at work 15 mins. before our shift started. The gen’l mgr and shift mgr (both males) always sat at the same table during that late-afternoon slow time. We all had to line up beside the “mgr. table” and one by one visit the “male mgr. recieving line.” When a waitress got to the head of the line, the first mgr would inspect her earrings, hairstyle, pantyhose and condition of fingernails and shoes to determine if she met company policy and the second mgr would slowly tie her starched “tails” into a big beautiful bow and when he was done, spank her on the butt and say, “Suzie, you pass. Report to Station 8” or wherever. This went on until all waitresses on that shift were “prepped.” Every day, the mgrs. would switch so they could each take turns doing the spanking. If there were customers in the dining room, they were entertained by this little procession. Of course, there were no waiters there. This was a female job only.

This was all perfectly legal and none of us waitresses thought anything about it. It was just part of the procedure before our shifts began. All of us made great money and we could have cared less about this – just laughed it off![/quote]

Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

🙁

[CA renter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]

eavesdropper, make that clear up thru the mid-seventies. I had a waitress job during about four years of this “era” where I wore a low-backed gathered miniskirt uniform with a girdle-like cumberbund. All of us waitresses had to “spray-starch” the long back ties of our cumberbunds at home and arrive at work 15 mins. before our shift started. The gen’l mgr and shift mgr (both males) always sat at the same table during that late-afternoon slow time. We all had to line up beside the “mgr. table” and one by one visit the “male mgr. recieving line.” When a waitress got to the head of the line, the first mgr would inspect her earrings, hairstyle, pantyhose and condition of fingernails and shoes to determine if she met company policy and the second mgr would slowly tie her starched “tails” into a big beautiful bow and when he was done, spank her on the butt and say, “Suzie, you pass. Report to Station 8” or wherever. This went on until all waitresses on that shift were “prepped.” Every day, the mgrs. would switch so they could each take turns doing the spanking. If there were customers in the dining room, they were entertained by this little procession. Of course, there were no waiters there. This was a female job only.

This was all perfectly legal and none of us waitresses thought anything about it. It was just part of the procedure before our shifts began. All of us made great money and we could have cared less about this – just laughed it off![/quote]

Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

🙁

[CA renter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]

eavesdropper, make that clear up thru the mid-seventies. I had a waitress job during about four years of this “era” where I wore a low-backed gathered miniskirt uniform with a girdle-like cumberbund. All of us waitresses had to “spray-starch” the long back ties of our cumberbunds at home and arrive at work 15 mins. before our shift started. The gen’l mgr and shift mgr (both males) always sat at the same table during that late-afternoon slow time. We all had to line up beside the “mgr. table” and one by one visit the “male mgr. recieving line.” When a waitress got to the head of the line, the first mgr would inspect her earrings, hairstyle, pantyhose and condition of fingernails and shoes to determine if she met company policy and the second mgr would slowly tie her starched “tails” into a big beautiful bow and when he was done, spank her on the butt and say, “Suzie, you pass. Report to Station 8” or wherever. This went on until all waitresses on that shift were “prepped.” Every day, the mgrs. would switch so they could each take turns doing the spanking. If there were customers in the dining room, they were entertained by this little procession. Of course, there were no waiters there. This was a female job only.

This was all perfectly legal and none of us waitresses thought anything about it. It was just part of the procedure before our shifts began. All of us made great money and we could have cared less about this – just laughed it off![/quote]

Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

🙁

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter]Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

:([/quote]

I completely understand, CA renter. At that time I just made sure my busboy and bartender were taken care of and rolled my coins and stacked up my cash daily (like with like denominations and all the same direction), which I deposited weekly with a walk-up human teller. In other words, laughed all the way to the bank 🙂

btw, this was a very skilled job. Not only did you have to possess an extraordinary memory, but needed to be able to handle a 50#+ serving tray or 25#+ cocktail tray with one arm and hand, carrying the tray stand with the other. You also needed to have table service skills, including wine stewarding, shelling lobster tails, instructing on how to crack and disengage crab from its shell and slice roast beef steaks for your customers, all the while remaining poised and making everything look effortless.

We weren’t even allowed to let more than two cig butts accumulate in an ashtray before silently replacing it or allow a lady customer to rise without first assisting with her chair, so we had to stand like statues in the corner of our stations when not serving customers 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter]Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

:([/quote]

I completely understand, CA renter. At that time I just made sure my busboy and bartender were taken care of and rolled my coins and stacked up my cash daily (like with like denominations and all the same direction), which I deposited weekly with a walk-up human teller. In other words, laughed all the way to the bank 🙂

btw, this was a very skilled job. Not only did you have to possess an extraordinary memory, but needed to be able to handle a 50#+ serving tray or 25#+ cocktail tray with one arm and hand, carrying the tray stand with the other. You also needed to have table service skills, including wine stewarding, shelling lobster tails, instructing on how to crack and disengage crab from its shell and slice roast beef steaks for your customers, all the while remaining poised and making everything look effortless.

We weren’t even allowed to let more than two cig butts accumulate in an ashtray before silently replacing it or allow a lady customer to rise without first assisting with her chair, so we had to stand like statues in the corner of our stations when not serving customers 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter]Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

:([/quote]

I completely understand, CA renter. At that time I just made sure my busboy and bartender were taken care of and rolled my coins and stacked up my cash daily (like with like denominations and all the same direction), which I deposited weekly with a walk-up human teller. In other words, laughed all the way to the bank 🙂

btw, this was a very skilled job. Not only did you have to possess an extraordinary memory, but needed to be able to handle a 50#+ serving tray or 25#+ cocktail tray with one arm and hand, carrying the tray stand with the other. You also needed to have table service skills, including wine stewarding, shelling lobster tails, instructing on how to crack and disengage crab from its shell and slice roast beef steaks for your customers, all the while remaining poised and making everything look effortless.

We weren’t even allowed to let more than two cig butts accumulate in an ashtray before silently replacing it or allow a lady customer to rise without first assisting with her chair, so we had to stand like statues in the corner of our stations when not serving customers 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter]Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

:([/quote]

I completely understand, CA renter. At that time I just made sure my busboy and bartender were taken care of and rolled my coins and stacked up my cash daily (like with like denominations and all the same direction), which I deposited weekly with a walk-up human teller. In other words, laughed all the way to the bank 🙂

btw, this was a very skilled job. Not only did you have to possess an extraordinary memory, but needed to be able to handle a 50#+ serving tray or 25#+ cocktail tray with one arm and hand, carrying the tray stand with the other. You also needed to have table service skills, including wine stewarding, shelling lobster tails, instructing on how to crack and disengage crab from its shell and slice roast beef steaks for your customers, all the while remaining poised and making everything look effortless.

We weren’t even allowed to let more than two cig butts accumulate in an ashtray before silently replacing it or allow a lady customer to rise without first assisting with her chair, so we had to stand like statues in the corner of our stations when not serving customers 🙂

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter]Lordy, that post made me cringe!!!!!

:([/quote]

I completely understand, CA renter. At that time I just made sure my busboy and bartender were taken care of and rolled my coins and stacked up my cash daily (like with like denominations and all the same direction), which I deposited weekly with a walk-up human teller. In other words, laughed all the way to the bank 🙂

btw, this was a very skilled job. Not only did you have to possess an extraordinary memory, but needed to be able to handle a 50#+ serving tray or 25#+ cocktail tray with one arm and hand, carrying the tray stand with the other. You also needed to have table service skills, including wine stewarding, shelling lobster tails, instructing on how to crack and disengage crab from its shell and slice roast beef steaks for your customers, all the while remaining poised and making everything look effortless.

We weren’t even allowed to let more than two cig butts accumulate in an ashtray before silently replacing it or allow a lady customer to rise without first assisting with her chair, so we had to stand like statues in the corner of our stations when not serving customers 🙂

[UCGal]

As a woman with a BSEE degree and graduate studies in software engineering I can speak to the male dominate field thing. The comment that the Megs and Carlys are busy shipping these well paying jobs offshore hits home. I’m not sure I’d tell my child to go into engineering.

I have a cousin (male) who had a degree in engineering – worked for Boeing for several years then went to work as a middle manager in one of the intel fabs in New Mexico. 10 years ago he chucked that career path and got his RN degree. He loves being a nurse. (And he’s not gay before anyone says that.)

As the mother of boys, I know there are gender differences in the way kids learn. As a woman who’s good at math – I know there are socialization issues in how we teach kids. I remember hearing “don’t worry about the math, sweetie, just make the work neat.” I also had countless (literally more than I can count) comments made about how I must have been pursing the EE degree as part of getting my M R S degree. That it was all a scam to meet a husband.

Things were different back in the 70’s. Did you know that in the early-mid 70’s a woman could not be a bartender here in CA? Exceptions were if she was the wife or daughter of the bar owner. Not excepted, if she, herself, owned the bar. It was a morality law – the idea being that bars were unsavory places for women to work. But they could work there as waitresses in skimpy dresses… Go figure. (The law was overturned when a widow who’d co-owned the bar could no longer bar tend when her husband died.)

And I agree with Walter/Scaredy… girls have cooties… I know because I have them.

[UCGal]

As a woman with a BSEE degree and graduate studies in software engineering I can speak to the male dominate field thing. The comment that the Megs and Carlys are busy shipping these well paying jobs offshore hits home. I’m not sure I’d tell my child to go into engineering.

I have a cousin (male) who had a degree in engineering – worked for Boeing for several years then went to work as a middle manager in one of the intel fabs in New Mexico. 10 years ago he chucked that career path and got his RN degree. He loves being a nurse. (And he’s not gay before anyone says that.)

As the mother of boys, I know there are gender differences in the way kids learn. As a woman who’s good at math – I know there are socialization issues in how we teach kids. I remember hearing “don’t worry about the math, sweetie, just make the work neat.” I also had countless (literally more than I can count) comments made about how I must have been pursing the EE degree as part of getting my M R S degree. That it was all a scam to meet a husband.

Things were different back in the 70’s. Did you know that in the early-mid 70’s a woman could not be a bartender here in CA? Exceptions were if she was the wife or daughter of the bar owner. Not excepted, if she, herself, owned the bar. It was a morality law – the idea being that bars were unsavory places for women to work. But they could work there as waitresses in skimpy dresses… Go figure. (The law was overturned when a widow who’d co-owned the bar could no longer bar tend when her husband died.)

And I agree with Walter/Scaredy… girls have cooties… I know because I have them.

[UCGal]

As a woman with a BSEE degree and graduate studies in software engineering I can speak to the male dominate field thing. The comment that the Megs and Carlys are busy shipping these well paying jobs offshore hits home. I’m not sure I’d tell my child to go into engineering.

I have a cousin (male) who had a degree in engineering – worked for Boeing for several years then went to work as a middle manager in one of the intel fabs in New Mexico. 10 years ago he chucked that career path and got his RN degree. He loves being a nurse. (And he’s not gay before anyone says that.)

As the mother of boys, I know there are gender differences in the way kids learn. As a woman who’s good at math – I know there are socialization issues in how we teach kids. I remember hearing “don’t worry about the math, sweetie, just make the work neat.” I also had countless (literally more than I can count) comments made about how I must have been pursing the EE degree as part of getting my M R S degree. That it was all a scam to meet a husband.

Things were different back in the 70’s. Did you know that in the early-mid 70’s a woman could not be a bartender here in CA? Exceptions were if she was the wife or daughter of the bar owner. Not excepted, if she, herself, owned the bar. It was a morality law – the idea being that bars were unsavory places for women to work. But they could work there as waitresses in skimpy dresses… Go figure. (The law was overturned when a widow who’d co-owned the bar could no longer bar tend when her husband died.)

And I agree with Walter/Scaredy… girls have cooties… I know because I have them.

[UCGal]

As a woman with a BSEE degree and graduate studies in software engineering I can speak to the male dominate field thing. The comment that the Megs and Carlys are busy shipping these well paying jobs offshore hits home. I’m not sure I’d tell my child to go into engineering.

I have a cousin (male) who had a degree in engineering – worked for Boeing for several years then went to work as a middle manager in one of the intel fabs in New Mexico. 10 years ago he chucked that career path and got his RN degree. He loves being a nurse. (And he’s not gay before anyone says that.)

As the mother of boys, I know there are gender differences in the way kids learn. As a woman who’s good at math – I know there are socialization issues in how we teach kids. I remember hearing “don’t worry about the math, sweetie, just make the work neat.” I also had countless (literally more than I can count) comments made about how I must have been pursing the EE degree as part of getting my M R S degree. That it was all a scam to meet a husband.

Things were different back in the 70’s. Did you know that in the early-mid 70’s a woman could not be a bartender here in CA? Exceptions were if she was the wife or daughter of the bar owner. Not excepted, if she, herself, owned the bar. It was a morality law – the idea being that bars were unsavory places for women to work. But they could work there as waitresses in skimpy dresses… Go figure. (The law was overturned when a widow who’d co-owned the bar could no longer bar tend when her husband died.)

And I agree with Walter/Scaredy… girls have cooties… I know because I have them.

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