OT: “Obama administration warns public to expect rise in US casualties”

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Granted, there are other problems there, the largest being the Karzai government, but the Obama “surge” you reference has been in the planning stages for a while now.[/quote]

No it hasn’t. George W. McSame was talking about sending a paltry 4500 troops to Afghanistan. Obama just ordered the redeployment of 18,000 Marines with many more to come.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/obama-savages-bush-redepl_n_125130.html?page=9&show_comment_id=15511960#comment_15511960

Saying that Obama is following the same plan laid out by Bush is like saying that a 1 KM Race-Walk with all elderly participants is equivalent to an Olympic Marathon. Are you sure you’re not a right-wing nutjob? You have about the same ability to distinguish between massive differences as a righty.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze, you should (and I’m being serious now) go back and look at how Obama has “reshaped his narrative” on Iraq. Look at where he started, in terms of discussing the withdrawal and drawdown, and look at where he is RIGHT NOW. [/quote]

I’m sure he’s changed his plans over time. All intelligent people change their plans in reaction to events. The alternative is following the same dumb policies for 8 years hoping for a different result.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze, you should (and I’m being serious now) go back and look at how Obama has “reshaped his narrative” on Iraq. Look at where he started, in terms of discussing the withdrawal and drawdown, and look at where he is RIGHT NOW. [/quote]

I’m sure he’s changed his plans over time. All intelligent people change their plans in reaction to events. The alternative is following the same dumb policies for 8 years hoping for a different result.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze, you should (and I’m being serious now) go back and look at how Obama has “reshaped his narrative” on Iraq. Look at where he started, in terms of discussing the withdrawal and drawdown, and look at where he is RIGHT NOW. [/quote]

I’m sure he’s changed his plans over time. All intelligent people change their plans in reaction to events. The alternative is following the same dumb policies for 8 years hoping for a different result.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze, you should (and I’m being serious now) go back and look at how Obama has “reshaped his narrative” on Iraq. Look at where he started, in terms of discussing the withdrawal and drawdown, and look at where he is RIGHT NOW. [/quote]

I’m sure he’s changed his plans over time. All intelligent people change their plans in reaction to events. The alternative is following the same dumb policies for 8 years hoping for a different result.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze, you should (and I’m being serious now) go back and look at how Obama has “reshaped his narrative” on Iraq. Look at where he started, in terms of discussing the withdrawal and drawdown, and look at where he is RIGHT NOW. [/quote]

I’m sure he’s changed his plans over time. All intelligent people change their plans in reaction to events. The alternative is following the same dumb policies for 8 years hoping for a different result.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).

How many people do you know that are in either Iraq or Afghanistan right now? I happen to know six (four in Iraq and two in Afghanistan). I can tell you, without any fear of contradiction, that the continuing disintegration of Afghanistan and the loss of operational tempo that was sustained during NATO’s assumption of various areas of responsibility was watched closely by Centcom and several operations plans at various troop levels were drawn up.

The operations plans were all contingent upon which units would be available for deployment and how many of the NATO forces would be supplanted by US forces and how long, in terms of sustaining combat operations, those forces would be there.

You DO NOT move entire US Army combat brigades or Marine Expeditionary Units/Forces overnight. A good friend of mine is an LTC with Centcom and we’ve been talking about this on and off for over the last year. I’d wager he has a far better handle, being one of those “boots on the ground” than any of the punditocracy over at HuffPost.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).

How many people do you know that are in either Iraq or Afghanistan right now? I happen to know six (four in Iraq and two in Afghanistan). I can tell you, without any fear of contradiction, that the continuing disintegration of Afghanistan and the loss of operational tempo that was sustained during NATO’s assumption of various areas of responsibility was watched closely by Centcom and several operations plans at various troop levels were drawn up.

The operations plans were all contingent upon which units would be available for deployment and how many of the NATO forces would be supplanted by US forces and how long, in terms of sustaining combat operations, those forces would be there.

You DO NOT move entire US Army combat brigades or Marine Expeditionary Units/Forces overnight. A good friend of mine is an LTC with Centcom and we’ve been talking about this on and off for over the last year. I’d wager he has a far better handle, being one of those “boots on the ground” than any of the punditocracy over at HuffPost.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).

How many people do you know that are in either Iraq or Afghanistan right now? I happen to know six (four in Iraq and two in Afghanistan). I can tell you, without any fear of contradiction, that the continuing disintegration of Afghanistan and the loss of operational tempo that was sustained during NATO’s assumption of various areas of responsibility was watched closely by Centcom and several operations plans at various troop levels were drawn up.

The operations plans were all contingent upon which units would be available for deployment and how many of the NATO forces would be supplanted by US forces and how long, in terms of sustaining combat operations, those forces would be there.

You DO NOT move entire US Army combat brigades or Marine Expeditionary Units/Forces overnight. A good friend of mine is an LTC with Centcom and we’ve been talking about this on and off for over the last year. I’d wager he has a far better handle, being one of those “boots on the ground” than any of the punditocracy over at HuffPost.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).

How many people do you know that are in either Iraq or Afghanistan right now? I happen to know six (four in Iraq and two in Afghanistan). I can tell you, without any fear of contradiction, that the continuing disintegration of Afghanistan and the loss of operational tempo that was sustained during NATO’s assumption of various areas of responsibility was watched closely by Centcom and several operations plans at various troop levels were drawn up.

The operations plans were all contingent upon which units would be available for deployment and how many of the NATO forces would be supplanted by US forces and how long, in terms of sustaining combat operations, those forces would be there.

You DO NOT move entire US Army combat brigades or Marine Expeditionary Units/Forces overnight. A good friend of mine is an LTC with Centcom and we’ve been talking about this on and off for over the last year. I’d wager he has a far better handle, being one of those “boots on the ground” than any of the punditocracy over at HuffPost.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).

How many people do you know that are in either Iraq or Afghanistan right now? I happen to know six (four in Iraq and two in Afghanistan). I can tell you, without any fear of contradiction, that the continuing disintegration of Afghanistan and the loss of operational tempo that was sustained during NATO’s assumption of various areas of responsibility was watched closely by Centcom and several operations plans at various troop levels were drawn up.

The operations plans were all contingent upon which units would be available for deployment and how many of the NATO forces would be supplanted by US forces and how long, in terms of sustaining combat operations, those forces would be there.

You DO NOT move entire US Army combat brigades or Marine Expeditionary Units/Forces overnight. A good friend of mine is an LTC with Centcom and we’ve been talking about this on and off for over the last year. I’d wager he has a far better handle, being one of those “boots on the ground” than any of the punditocracy over at HuffPost.

[TheBreeze]

Here Barack is in July saying that troops should be redeployed from Iraq to Afghanistan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/2437883/Barack-Obama-Redeploy-troops-to-Afghanistan-from-Iraq.html

What am I supposed to be upset about? That Obama is doing exactly what he said he would?

[TheBreeze]

Here Barack is in July saying that troops should be redeployed from Iraq to Afghanistan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/2437883/Barack-Obama-Redeploy-troops-to-Afghanistan-from-Iraq.html

What am I supposed to be upset about? That Obama is doing exactly what he said he would?

[TheBreeze]

Here Barack is in July saying that troops should be redeployed from Iraq to Afghanistan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/2437883/Barack-Obama-Redeploy-troops-to-Afghanistan-from-Iraq.html

What am I supposed to be upset about? That Obama is doing exactly what he said he would?

[TheBreeze]

Here Barack is in July saying that troops should be redeployed from Iraq to Afghanistan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/2437883/Barack-Obama-Redeploy-troops-to-Afghanistan-from-Iraq.html

What am I supposed to be upset about? That Obama is doing exactly what he said he would?

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