OT: “Obama administration warns public to expect rise in US casualties”

[4plexowner]

Setting up the pretense of two political parties is part of the game as well

That way people can waste time debating ‘my party’ vs ‘your party’ when there is really only one party

It’s the banker party, stupid!

[Arraya]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).[/quote]

Allan,

I agree with you that HuffPost is a biased source, but he was quoting Obama, not some HuffPost blowhard. Care to comment on the Obama quote itself?[/quote]

How about words are words actions are actions. The media has been cuing up the need to increase troop levels for well over a year. We have seen talk from the DOD for 6 months or so about it. So it’s pretty obvious that way before Obama was Prez they were planning on some level to up the troop level in afganistan and bomb pakistan. It’s observable.

So what do we have? We have two verbally different stances and constant fluid OBSERVABLE set of actions over a timeline that conflicts with the distinctly different publicly stated plans. Don’t look were the conjuror does not want you to, it ruins the trick.

Oh, and you can’t forget the Obama’s advisor Brezinski and Gates have written ME policy together back in 2004 for non other than the CFR. Which I am sure is purely coincidental and in no way influenced what Gates did under Bush. Do you really think Obama strategizes these things alone?

“What are you going to believe me or you lying eyes….”

Really it changed, it did it did!

Speaking of Banksters….

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E0DA1638F933A0575BC0A9659C8B63
J. P. Morgan Chase has been selected to operate a bank the United States is creating in Iraq to manage billions of dollars to finance imports and exports.

J. P. Morgan will lead a group that includes 13 banks representing 13 countries to run the bank for three years, said Peter McPherson, the top United States economic adviser in Iraq.

Operating the bank, the Trade Bank of Iraq, will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq, which has huge oil reserves; foreign bank companies have not operated in the country since a policy of nationalization in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Yesterday’s announcement came on the day a car bomb killed a top Iraqi cleric and at least 82 others, underscoring the danger of having a presence in the country.

The trade bank will serve as an intermediary for Iraqi government agencies’ purchases of equipment and supplies from companies based outside the country, Mr. McPherson told reporters in Washington in a conference call from Baghdad.

Wonder how that is working out today

The Bank is already one of the success stories of the country. We have overseen USD 21 billion in trade finance, introduced Visa cards to Iraq and implemented the first banking system in the country (Misys). We are moving into a new phase of helping to finance infrastructure projects, with the first Kurdish power plant as one of our projects and many more to follow. Another priority is a major drive to uplift the Iraqi banking sector, which will be crucial in facilitating the country’s economic and infrastructure development.”

Mr Al-Uzri added: “Our development will require international backing and finance and so we are developing an international presence both in the region and of course in London, the world’s financial centre.”

Pheew, finally some good news from the banking industry.

[Arraya]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).[/quote]

Allan,

I agree with you that HuffPost is a biased source, but he was quoting Obama, not some HuffPost blowhard. Care to comment on the Obama quote itself?[/quote]

How about words are words actions are actions. The media has been cuing up the need to increase troop levels for well over a year. We have seen talk from the DOD for 6 months or so about it. So it’s pretty obvious that way before Obama was Prez they were planning on some level to up the troop level in afganistan and bomb pakistan. It’s observable.

So what do we have? We have two verbally different stances and constant fluid OBSERVABLE set of actions over a timeline that conflicts with the distinctly different publicly stated plans. Don’t look were the conjuror does not want you to, it ruins the trick.

Oh, and you can’t forget the Obama’s advisor Brezinski and Gates have written ME policy together back in 2004 for non other than the CFR. Which I am sure is purely coincidental and in no way influenced what Gates did under Bush. Do you really think Obama strategizes these things alone?

“What are you going to believe me or you lying eyes….”

Really it changed, it did it did!

Speaking of Banksters….

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E0DA1638F933A0575BC0A9659C8B63
J. P. Morgan Chase has been selected to operate a bank the United States is creating in Iraq to manage billions of dollars to finance imports and exports.

J. P. Morgan will lead a group that includes 13 banks representing 13 countries to run the bank for three years, said Peter McPherson, the top United States economic adviser in Iraq.

Operating the bank, the Trade Bank of Iraq, will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq, which has huge oil reserves; foreign bank companies have not operated in the country since a policy of nationalization in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Yesterday’s announcement came on the day a car bomb killed a top Iraqi cleric and at least 82 others, underscoring the danger of having a presence in the country.

The trade bank will serve as an intermediary for Iraqi government agencies’ purchases of equipment and supplies from companies based outside the country, Mr. McPherson told reporters in Washington in a conference call from Baghdad.

Wonder how that is working out today

The Bank is already one of the success stories of the country. We have overseen USD 21 billion in trade finance, introduced Visa cards to Iraq and implemented the first banking system in the country (Misys). We are moving into a new phase of helping to finance infrastructure projects, with the first Kurdish power plant as one of our projects and many more to follow. Another priority is a major drive to uplift the Iraqi banking sector, which will be crucial in facilitating the country’s economic and infrastructure development.”

Mr Al-Uzri added: “Our development will require international backing and finance and so we are developing an international presence both in the region and of course in London, the world’s financial centre.”

Pheew, finally some good news from the banking industry.

[Arraya]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).[/quote]

Allan,

I agree with you that HuffPost is a biased source, but he was quoting Obama, not some HuffPost blowhard. Care to comment on the Obama quote itself?[/quote]

How about words are words actions are actions. The media has been cuing up the need to increase troop levels for well over a year. We have seen talk from the DOD for 6 months or so about it. So it’s pretty obvious that way before Obama was Prez they were planning on some level to up the troop level in afganistan and bomb pakistan. It’s observable.

So what do we have? We have two verbally different stances and constant fluid OBSERVABLE set of actions over a timeline that conflicts with the distinctly different publicly stated plans. Don’t look were the conjuror does not want you to, it ruins the trick.

Oh, and you can’t forget the Obama’s advisor Brezinski and Gates have written ME policy together back in 2004 for non other than the CFR. Which I am sure is purely coincidental and in no way influenced what Gates did under Bush. Do you really think Obama strategizes these things alone?

“What are you going to believe me or you lying eyes….”

Really it changed, it did it did!

Speaking of Banksters….

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E0DA1638F933A0575BC0A9659C8B63
J. P. Morgan Chase has been selected to operate a bank the United States is creating in Iraq to manage billions of dollars to finance imports and exports.

J. P. Morgan will lead a group that includes 13 banks representing 13 countries to run the bank for three years, said Peter McPherson, the top United States economic adviser in Iraq.

Operating the bank, the Trade Bank of Iraq, will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq, which has huge oil reserves; foreign bank companies have not operated in the country since a policy of nationalization in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Yesterday’s announcement came on the day a car bomb killed a top Iraqi cleric and at least 82 others, underscoring the danger of having a presence in the country.

The trade bank will serve as an intermediary for Iraqi government agencies’ purchases of equipment and supplies from companies based outside the country, Mr. McPherson told reporters in Washington in a conference call from Baghdad.

Wonder how that is working out today

The Bank is already one of the success stories of the country. We have overseen USD 21 billion in trade finance, introduced Visa cards to Iraq and implemented the first banking system in the country (Misys). We are moving into a new phase of helping to finance infrastructure projects, with the first Kurdish power plant as one of our projects and many more to follow. Another priority is a major drive to uplift the Iraqi banking sector, which will be crucial in facilitating the country’s economic and infrastructure development.”

Mr Al-Uzri added: “Our development will require international backing and finance and so we are developing an international presence both in the region and of course in London, the world’s financial centre.”

Pheew, finally some good news from the banking industry.

[Arraya]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).[/quote]

Allan,

I agree with you that HuffPost is a biased source, but he was quoting Obama, not some HuffPost blowhard. Care to comment on the Obama quote itself?[/quote]

How about words are words actions are actions. The media has been cuing up the need to increase troop levels for well over a year. We have seen talk from the DOD for 6 months or so about it. So it’s pretty obvious that way before Obama was Prez they were planning on some level to up the troop level in afganistan and bomb pakistan. It’s observable.

So what do we have? We have two verbally different stances and constant fluid OBSERVABLE set of actions over a timeline that conflicts with the distinctly different publicly stated plans. Don’t look were the conjuror does not want you to, it ruins the trick.

Oh, and you can’t forget the Obama’s advisor Brezinski and Gates have written ME policy together back in 2004 for non other than the CFR. Which I am sure is purely coincidental and in no way influenced what Gates did under Bush. Do you really think Obama strategizes these things alone?

“What are you going to believe me or you lying eyes….”

Really it changed, it did it did!

Speaking of Banksters….

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E0DA1638F933A0575BC0A9659C8B63
J. P. Morgan Chase has been selected to operate a bank the United States is creating in Iraq to manage billions of dollars to finance imports and exports.

J. P. Morgan will lead a group that includes 13 banks representing 13 countries to run the bank for three years, said Peter McPherson, the top United States economic adviser in Iraq.

Operating the bank, the Trade Bank of Iraq, will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq, which has huge oil reserves; foreign bank companies have not operated in the country since a policy of nationalization in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Yesterday’s announcement came on the day a car bomb killed a top Iraqi cleric and at least 82 others, underscoring the danger of having a presence in the country.

The trade bank will serve as an intermediary for Iraqi government agencies’ purchases of equipment and supplies from companies based outside the country, Mr. McPherson told reporters in Washington in a conference call from Baghdad.

Wonder how that is working out today

The Bank is already one of the success stories of the country. We have overseen USD 21 billion in trade finance, introduced Visa cards to Iraq and implemented the first banking system in the country (Misys). We are moving into a new phase of helping to finance infrastructure projects, with the first Kurdish power plant as one of our projects and many more to follow. Another priority is a major drive to uplift the Iraqi banking sector, which will be crucial in facilitating the country’s economic and infrastructure development.”

Mr Al-Uzri added: “Our development will require international backing and finance and so we are developing an international presence both in the region and of course in London, the world’s financial centre.”

Pheew, finally some good news from the banking industry.

[Arraya]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Breeze: Sorry, but you’re clearly wrong on this and you’re pulling your information from biased sources (HuffPost).[/quote]

Allan,

I agree with you that HuffPost is a biased source, but he was quoting Obama, not some HuffPost blowhard. Care to comment on the Obama quote itself?[/quote]

How about words are words actions are actions. The media has been cuing up the need to increase troop levels for well over a year. We have seen talk from the DOD for 6 months or so about it. So it’s pretty obvious that way before Obama was Prez they were planning on some level to up the troop level in afganistan and bomb pakistan. It’s observable.

So what do we have? We have two verbally different stances and constant fluid OBSERVABLE set of actions over a timeline that conflicts with the distinctly different publicly stated plans. Don’t look were the conjuror does not want you to, it ruins the trick.

Oh, and you can’t forget the Obama’s advisor Brezinski and Gates have written ME policy together back in 2004 for non other than the CFR. Which I am sure is purely coincidental and in no way influenced what Gates did under Bush. Do you really think Obama strategizes these things alone?

“What are you going to believe me or you lying eyes….”

Really it changed, it did it did!

Speaking of Banksters….

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E0DA1638F933A0575BC0A9659C8B63
J. P. Morgan Chase has been selected to operate a bank the United States is creating in Iraq to manage billions of dollars to finance imports and exports.

J. P. Morgan will lead a group that includes 13 banks representing 13 countries to run the bank for three years, said Peter McPherson, the top United States economic adviser in Iraq.

Operating the bank, the Trade Bank of Iraq, will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq, which has huge oil reserves; foreign bank companies have not operated in the country since a policy of nationalization in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Yesterday’s announcement came on the day a car bomb killed a top Iraqi cleric and at least 82 others, underscoring the danger of having a presence in the country.

The trade bank will serve as an intermediary for Iraqi government agencies’ purchases of equipment and supplies from companies based outside the country, Mr. McPherson told reporters in Washington in a conference call from Baghdad.

Wonder how that is working out today

The Bank is already one of the success stories of the country. We have overseen USD 21 billion in trade finance, introduced Visa cards to Iraq and implemented the first banking system in the country (Misys). We are moving into a new phase of helping to finance infrastructure projects, with the first Kurdish power plant as one of our projects and many more to follow. Another priority is a major drive to uplift the Iraqi banking sector, which will be crucial in facilitating the country’s economic and infrastructure development.”

Mr Al-Uzri added: “Our development will require international backing and finance and so we are developing an international presence both in the region and of course in London, the world’s financial centre.”

Pheew, finally some good news from the banking industry.

[NotCranky]

You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?

[NotCranky]

You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?

[NotCranky]

You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?

[NotCranky]

You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?

[NotCranky]

You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?

[Arraya]

[quote=Russell]You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?
[/quote]

You have an interesting understanding of how to “take” freedom to somebody. Also, how do you account for the spoils of war being calculated before the war was initiated? I believe they call this motive in legal speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force

Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force had not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials. The organisations Judicial Watch and Sierra Club launched a law suit (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Judicial Watch Inc. v. Department of Energy, et al., Civil Action No. 01-0981) under the FOIA to gain access to the task force’s materials. After several years of legal wrangling, in May, 2005 an appeals court permitted the Energy Task Force’s records to remain secret.[4][5]
In the Summer of 2003 a partial disclosure of these materials was made by the Commerce Department. This resulted in the release of documents, maps, and charts, dated March 2001, of Iraq’s, Saudi Arabia’s and United Arab Emirates’ oil fields, pipelines, refineries, tanker terminals and development projects. That case eventually went to the Supreme Court and the ruling was to send the case back to the Court of Appeals.

Is wikipedia lying too? Please help explain, my twisted little brain is confused.

[Arraya]

[quote=Russell]You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?
[/quote]

You have an interesting understanding of how to “take” freedom to somebody. Also, how do you account for the spoils of war being calculated before the war was initiated? I believe they call this motive in legal speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force

Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force had not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials. The organisations Judicial Watch and Sierra Club launched a law suit (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Judicial Watch Inc. v. Department of Energy, et al., Civil Action No. 01-0981) under the FOIA to gain access to the task force’s materials. After several years of legal wrangling, in May, 2005 an appeals court permitted the Energy Task Force’s records to remain secret.[4][5]
In the Summer of 2003 a partial disclosure of these materials was made by the Commerce Department. This resulted in the release of documents, maps, and charts, dated March 2001, of Iraq’s, Saudi Arabia’s and United Arab Emirates’ oil fields, pipelines, refineries, tanker terminals and development projects. That case eventually went to the Supreme Court and the ruling was to send the case back to the Court of Appeals.

Is wikipedia lying too? Please help explain, my twisted little brain is confused.

[Arraya]

[quote=Russell]You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?
[/quote]

You have an interesting understanding of how to “take” freedom to somebody. Also, how do you account for the spoils of war being calculated before the war was initiated? I believe they call this motive in legal speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force

Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force had not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials. The organisations Judicial Watch and Sierra Club launched a law suit (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Judicial Watch Inc. v. Department of Energy, et al., Civil Action No. 01-0981) under the FOIA to gain access to the task force’s materials. After several years of legal wrangling, in May, 2005 an appeals court permitted the Energy Task Force’s records to remain secret.[4][5]
In the Summer of 2003 a partial disclosure of these materials was made by the Commerce Department. This resulted in the release of documents, maps, and charts, dated March 2001, of Iraq’s, Saudi Arabia’s and United Arab Emirates’ oil fields, pipelines, refineries, tanker terminals and development projects. That case eventually went to the Supreme Court and the ruling was to send the case back to the Court of Appeals.

Is wikipedia lying too? Please help explain, my twisted little brain is confused.

[Arraya]

[quote=Russell]You are lying Arraya, My son participated in a freedom walk with his kindergarten class last Sept.11. No one would tell my kid that those soldiers were taking freedom to poor Iraqis if it were true that Britain and or the U.S , depending on the which of the last 10 decades or more you consider, have been carrying on an invasion and domination of middle eastern affairs, spoils go to the victor war?
[/quote]

You have an interesting understanding of how to “take” freedom to somebody. Also, how do you account for the spoils of war being calculated before the war was initiated? I believe they call this motive in legal speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force

Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force had not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials. The organisations Judicial Watch and Sierra Club launched a law suit (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Judicial Watch Inc. v. Department of Energy, et al., Civil Action No. 01-0981) under the FOIA to gain access to the task force’s materials. After several years of legal wrangling, in May, 2005 an appeals court permitted the Energy Task Force’s records to remain secret.[4][5]
In the Summer of 2003 a partial disclosure of these materials was made by the Commerce Department. This resulted in the release of documents, maps, and charts, dated March 2001, of Iraq’s, Saudi Arabia’s and United Arab Emirates’ oil fields, pipelines, refineries, tanker terminals and development projects. That case eventually went to the Supreme Court and the ruling was to send the case back to the Court of Appeals.

Is wikipedia lying too? Please help explain, my twisted little brain is confused.

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