OT: Public pay & benefits

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thank you NSR! CAR you are quoted posted salary ranges not ACTUAL EARNINGS. My facts are facts showing what they took home while yours are the myth of salary ranges.

A corrollary would be for you to post the salaries of the “captains of industry” which no doubt are a very small fraction of the income of the top wage earnings. Speculation as you call it is the foundation of capitalism. Coming up with an idea and building a company around it. Without that we wouldnt have any of the technological advances that support are quality of life.

Much of this income also comes from owning vast real estate holdings. Are you saying that someone who owns hundreds of apartment buildings should just let people live in them for free like the deadbeats you criticize for not paying their mortgages so the owners of those buildings dont make too much money from the rent they are entitled to?[/quote]

Salary ranges tell you what they earn without overtime. In order to compare salaries, you have to compare dollars per hour worked, not total dollars earned without any regard for the work done. If I earned $300K for ten hours of work, and someone else earned $400K for working one hundred hours, who gets paid more?

I don’t believe for a second that speculation is what creates a sound and sustainable economy. Needless to say, I am not a “capitalist” and think people have been brainwashed by those who benefit from it (the very wealthy) into thinking it’s the best economic system. It’s not, and there has never to my knowledge been a long-term success story where “free market capitalism” (without any kind of socialist influence) created a sustainable, healthy economy.

BTW, you do realize that a good portion of the wealthiest individuals have never done any real work, nor created any companies that provide goods and services that benefit society, right?

You’d be surprised to learn how many of the truly innovative and beneficial technologies were actually funded either entirely or largely by the government. It had nothing to do with “capitalist” pigs and their wealth-gathering mechanisms.

As for investment properties…I believe that ownership should take priority, and would like to see fewer “investors” and more real “owners” who live in their homes (at lower prices, because they should not have to compete with “investors”). I would favor tax policies and regulations that protect those who want to buy their own homes and penalize those who try to hoard too much real estate. People should be entitled to one primary residence and one commercial property. Anything beyond that should be taxed to the point that it’s no longer profitable.

Yes, I’m a socialist.

[CA renter]

BTW, I got some better info WRT comparable positions in the fire and police departments. Again, different agencies have different hierarchies, but these comparisons should work for San Diego.

Fire Captain:

Min. $70,969 Max. $85,904

Police Sergeant:

Min. $76,273 Max. $92,206
—————-

Firefighter I:

Min. $39,166 Max. $47,112

Police Officer I:

Min. $49,254 Max. $59,467
—————

Once again, firefighters do NOT make 50% more than police officers. As I said before, they make about the same or less.

[CA renter]

BTW, I got some better info WRT comparable positions in the fire and police departments. Again, different agencies have different hierarchies, but these comparisons should work for San Diego.

Fire Captain:

Min. $70,969 Max. $85,904

Police Sergeant:

Min. $76,273 Max. $92,206
—————-

Firefighter I:

Min. $39,166 Max. $47,112

Police Officer I:

Min. $49,254 Max. $59,467
—————

Once again, firefighters do NOT make 50% more than police officers. As I said before, they make about the same or less.

[CA renter]

BTW, I got some better info WRT comparable positions in the fire and police departments. Again, different agencies have different hierarchies, but these comparisons should work for San Diego.

Fire Captain:

Min. $70,969 Max. $85,904

Police Sergeant:

Min. $76,273 Max. $92,206
—————-

Firefighter I:

Min. $39,166 Max. $47,112

Police Officer I:

Min. $49,254 Max. $59,467
—————

Once again, firefighters do NOT make 50% more than police officers. As I said before, they make about the same or less.

[CA renter]

BTW, I got some better info WRT comparable positions in the fire and police departments. Again, different agencies have different hierarchies, but these comparisons should work for San Diego.

Fire Captain:

Min. $70,969 Max. $85,904

Police Sergeant:

Min. $76,273 Max. $92,206
—————-

Firefighter I:

Min. $39,166 Max. $47,112

Police Officer I:

Min. $49,254 Max. $59,467
—————

Once again, firefighters do NOT make 50% more than police officers. As I said before, they make about the same or less.

[CA renter]

BTW, I got some better info WRT comparable positions in the fire and police departments. Again, different agencies have different hierarchies, but these comparisons should work for San Diego.

Fire Captain:

Min. $70,969 Max. $85,904

Police Sergeant:

Min. $76,273 Max. $92,206
—————-

Firefighter I:

Min. $39,166 Max. $47,112

Police Officer I:

Min. $49,254 Max. $59,467
—————

Once again, firefighters do NOT make 50% more than police officers. As I said before, they make about the same or less.

[sdrealtor]

I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. The live in crappy hotels, breathe in crappy air on airplanes, eat alone everynight at lousy unhealthy restaurants and have very little time to get any physical exercise. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.

[sdrealtor]

I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. The live in crappy hotels, breathe in crappy air on airplanes, eat alone everynight at lousy unhealthy restaurants and have very little time to get any physical exercise. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.

[sdrealtor]

I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. The live in crappy hotels, breathe in crappy air on airplanes, eat alone everynight at lousy unhealthy restaurants and have very little time to get any physical exercise. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.

[sdrealtor]

I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. The live in crappy hotels, breathe in crappy air on airplanes, eat alone everynight at lousy unhealthy restaurants and have very little time to get any physical exercise. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.

[sdrealtor]

I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. The live in crappy hotels, breathe in crappy air on airplanes, eat alone everynight at lousy unhealthy restaurants and have very little time to get any physical exercise. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.[/quote]

And I can guarantee you that any salesperson, consultant, and rep who works away from home 24/5 is making at least as much as most firefighters and cops while providing much less benefit to society.

Sorry, sdr, you are wrong. You cannot compare pay without any regard for the hours worked.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.[/quote]

And I can guarantee you that any salesperson, consultant, and rep who works away from home 24/5 is making at least as much as most firefighters and cops while providing much less benefit to society.

Sorry, sdr, you are wrong. You cannot compare pay without any regard for the hours worked.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.[/quote]

And I can guarantee you that any salesperson, consultant, and rep who works away from home 24/5 is making at least as much as most firefighters and cops while providing much less benefit to society.

Sorry, sdr, you are wrong. You cannot compare pay without any regard for the hours worked.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I cant beleive you are trying to make the OT argument not being a choice. Do you think all the consultants, salespeople and field reps that leave their homes Monday morning and return Friday night close to 52 weeks a year view that as benefit. They are devoting over 100 hours a week to their jobs. Its part of the job and 40 or even 50 hr works weeks are long gone. I could care less what a salry range is or how many hours someone works. The bottomline is how much they takes home and its way WAY out of line.

As for the 50% more for fireman I just remembered I was looking at the numbers for a cushy little burg by the sea known as Encinitas. I’ll post all the w-2 earnings numbers of every single firefighter and cop when I get a chance and they can speak for themselves.[/quote]

And I can guarantee you that any salesperson, consultant, and rep who works away from home 24/5 is making at least as much as most firefighters and cops while providing much less benefit to society.

Sorry, sdr, you are wrong. You cannot compare pay without any regard for the hours worked.

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