OT: Public pay & benefits

[scaredyclassic]

I haven’t seen zeiteist but I’ll put it on my netflix list; I thought I might have been having an original thought but of course that’s highly unlikely. Maybe this all goes back to the biblical order to be fruitful and multiply. Is there anything in the Bible about sustainability other than the injunction to be good stewards? Something about limits to growth?

Hey is the bible thing original at least? Or was that in zeitgeist?

Ah wait I just googled green bible… Someones on it… Produced the green bible. Interesting. I might pick up a copy. Focuses on support for sustainability in the good book

[jstoesz]

Another shining example our elite services! They are just a bunch of heroes really.

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/01/136864398/after-suicide-calif-town-reviews-emergency-policies

[jstoesz]

Another shining example our elite services! They are just a bunch of heroes really.

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/01/136864398/after-suicide-calif-town-reviews-emergency-policies

[jstoesz]

Another shining example our elite services! They are just a bunch of heroes really.

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/01/136864398/after-suicide-calif-town-reviews-emergency-policies

[jstoesz]

Another shining example our elite services! They are just a bunch of heroes really.

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/01/136864398/after-suicide-calif-town-reviews-emergency-policies

[jstoesz]

Another shining example our elite services! They are just a bunch of heroes really.

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/01/136864398/after-suicide-calif-town-reviews-emergency-policies

[jpinpb]

jstoesz – you know I really like you, but you can’t cherry pick the handful of fuckups out there. There are plenty of police and fire that do help the public. If you were to list the all that bad that they do and I list all the good, I think my list would be much longer. I’m not defending those who screw up. They should be punished. They are disgraceful and tarnish the name and dignity of others who are not.

I heard that story on the radio and I was shocked. The sad thing about that story is it comes down to money, it seems.
“Previously we had a very highly trained water-rescue program that we could use for both shore-based and boat-and-surf water rescue,” he said. “But unfortunately, over the course of several years based on what I gather on budget issues, they pretty much decertified the program.”

But regardless, I was disgusted that no one helped. But knowing how the system works, liability and everything else… well, it sucks, no getting around it.

[jpinpb]

jstoesz – you know I really like you, but you can’t cherry pick the handful of fuckups out there. There are plenty of police and fire that do help the public. If you were to list the all that bad that they do and I list all the good, I think my list would be much longer. I’m not defending those who screw up. They should be punished. They are disgraceful and tarnish the name and dignity of others who are not.

I heard that story on the radio and I was shocked. The sad thing about that story is it comes down to money, it seems.
“Previously we had a very highly trained water-rescue program that we could use for both shore-based and boat-and-surf water rescue,” he said. “But unfortunately, over the course of several years based on what I gather on budget issues, they pretty much decertified the program.”

But regardless, I was disgusted that no one helped. But knowing how the system works, liability and everything else… well, it sucks, no getting around it.

[jpinpb]

jstoesz – you know I really like you, but you can’t cherry pick the handful of fuckups out there. There are plenty of police and fire that do help the public. If you were to list the all that bad that they do and I list all the good, I think my list would be much longer. I’m not defending those who screw up. They should be punished. They are disgraceful and tarnish the name and dignity of others who are not.

I heard that story on the radio and I was shocked. The sad thing about that story is it comes down to money, it seems.
“Previously we had a very highly trained water-rescue program that we could use for both shore-based and boat-and-surf water rescue,” he said. “But unfortunately, over the course of several years based on what I gather on budget issues, they pretty much decertified the program.”

But regardless, I was disgusted that no one helped. But knowing how the system works, liability and everything else… well, it sucks, no getting around it.

[jpinpb]

jstoesz – you know I really like you, but you can’t cherry pick the handful of fuckups out there. There are plenty of police and fire that do help the public. If you were to list the all that bad that they do and I list all the good, I think my list would be much longer. I’m not defending those who screw up. They should be punished. They are disgraceful and tarnish the name and dignity of others who are not.

I heard that story on the radio and I was shocked. The sad thing about that story is it comes down to money, it seems.
“Previously we had a very highly trained water-rescue program that we could use for both shore-based and boat-and-surf water rescue,” he said. “But unfortunately, over the course of several years based on what I gather on budget issues, they pretty much decertified the program.”

But regardless, I was disgusted that no one helped. But knowing how the system works, liability and everything else… well, it sucks, no getting around it.

[jpinpb]

jstoesz – you know I really like you, but you can’t cherry pick the handful of fuckups out there. There are plenty of police and fire that do help the public. If you were to list the all that bad that they do and I list all the good, I think my list would be much longer. I’m not defending those who screw up. They should be punished. They are disgraceful and tarnish the name and dignity of others who are not.

I heard that story on the radio and I was shocked. The sad thing about that story is it comes down to money, it seems.
“Previously we had a very highly trained water-rescue program that we could use for both shore-based and boat-and-surf water rescue,” he said. “But unfortunately, over the course of several years based on what I gather on budget issues, they pretty much decertified the program.”

But regardless, I was disgusted that no one helped. But knowing how the system works, liability and everything else… well, it sucks, no getting around it.

[jstoesz]

I understand your point jpinpb and I think it is incredibly valid. My snarkiness in the original post was not appropriate for the level of tragedy this story amounts to. My point for linking the story was not to show that the firemen or police are bad, so much as the unionized bureaucratic litigative culture that is spreading like a cancer through some of our most beloved, important, and fundamental city sevices.

These people, I am sure, became police and fire because they wanted to serve and protect. But the rules are so corrupt that they are turned into monsters.

That is how they acted on that day, laws be damned. I would even venture to guess that most police or firehouses in the state would not act like this.

A freaking bystander waded in to fish the body out after he had drowned.

edit: The firemen and medics I know would not act like this! But we can not continue down this path.

[jstoesz]

I understand your point jpinpb and I think it is incredibly valid. My snarkiness in the original post was not appropriate for the level of tragedy this story amounts to. My point for linking the story was not to show that the firemen or police are bad, so much as the unionized bureaucratic litigative culture that is spreading like a cancer through some of our most beloved, important, and fundamental city sevices.

These people, I am sure, became police and fire because they wanted to serve and protect. But the rules are so corrupt that they are turned into monsters.

That is how they acted on that day, laws be damned. I would even venture to guess that most police or firehouses in the state would not act like this.

A freaking bystander waded in to fish the body out after he had drowned.

edit: The firemen and medics I know would not act like this! But we can not continue down this path.

[jstoesz]

I understand your point jpinpb and I think it is incredibly valid. My snarkiness in the original post was not appropriate for the level of tragedy this story amounts to. My point for linking the story was not to show that the firemen or police are bad, so much as the unionized bureaucratic litigative culture that is spreading like a cancer through some of our most beloved, important, and fundamental city sevices.

These people, I am sure, became police and fire because they wanted to serve and protect. But the rules are so corrupt that they are turned into monsters.

That is how they acted on that day, laws be damned. I would even venture to guess that most police or firehouses in the state would not act like this.

A freaking bystander waded in to fish the body out after he had drowned.

edit: The firemen and medics I know would not act like this! But we can not continue down this path.

[jstoesz]

I understand your point jpinpb and I think it is incredibly valid. My snarkiness in the original post was not appropriate for the level of tragedy this story amounts to. My point for linking the story was not to show that the firemen or police are bad, so much as the unionized bureaucratic litigative culture that is spreading like a cancer through some of our most beloved, important, and fundamental city sevices.

These people, I am sure, became police and fire because they wanted to serve and protect. But the rules are so corrupt that they are turned into monsters.

That is how they acted on that day, laws be damned. I would even venture to guess that most police or firehouses in the state would not act like this.

A freaking bystander waded in to fish the body out after he had drowned.

edit: The firemen and medics I know would not act like this! But we can not continue down this path.

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