OT: Obamacare decision rassling ring

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1]

Allan, I bet that if you invited your daughter’s boyfriend’s parents over for dinner, you’d rather they came in a Prius than a jacked-up 4×4.[/quote]

Brian: Touche. You’re absolutely right on that one. Although, I’d prefer something a little less smug than a Prius.

You’ll never change my mind on tofu. That shit is wretched.[/quote]

Shit…Time for me to sell my truck…But I have a few more years.[/quote]

FLU: Ah, dude, that rule wouldn’t apply to you! I think just the sight of you deplaning from a lifted 4×4 would be worth the price of admission. Of course, the truck would need a gun rack and a Confederate flag in the rear window. Oh, and those classy female cutouts on the mudflaps. Crank some Lynryd Skynyrd (“Sweet Home Alabama” or “Freebird”) on the 8-track and you’d be in bidness!

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1]

Allan, I bet that if you invited your daughter’s boyfriend’s parents over for dinner, you’d rather they came in a Prius than a jacked-up 4×4.[/quote]

Brian: Touche. You’re absolutely right on that one. Although, I’d prefer something a little less smug than a Prius.

You’ll never change my mind on tofu. That shit is wretched.[/quote]

Shit…Time for me to sell my truck…But I have a few more years.[/quote]

FLU: Ah, dude, that rule wouldn’t apply to you! I think just the sight of you deplaning from a lifted 4×4 would be worth the price of admission. Of course, the truck would need a gun rack and a Confederate flag in the rear window. Oh, and those classy female cutouts on the mudflaps. Crank some Lynryd Skynyrd (“Sweet Home Alabama” or “Freebird”) on the 8-track and you’d be in bidness![/quote]

Would mind if I show up with truck nutz on the hitch?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_nuts

I considering getting one and put it onto my X5 hitch that I just got. I’m sure Carmel Valley soccer moms would just love that….

But in all seriousness I really really want an F150 raptor… Those things kick ass totally.

I’ve already got a confederate flag ready. I got one from a KKK rally I went to in Chicago when I was an intern one time.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=flu]
But in all seriousness I really really want an F150 raptor… Those things kick ass totally.

I’ve already got a confederate flag ready. I got one from a KKK rally I went to in Chicago when I was an intern one time.[/quote]

FLU: Yeah, those things are badass. I spoke to a coach at a skills camp who just finished tweaking his (it was black on black and all the upgrades were done real cleanly), and loved it.

He had the 6.2L and had performance tuned the plant. Told me he could smoke pretty much anything off the line and that it handled surprisingly well for a truck.

I had an F-350 King Ranch with the twin turbo diesel and could jolly stomp a Porsche off the light (truck had BAGS of torque), so I’m not surprised.

Throw your Confederate flag on that sucker and you’re good to go. I’d trade out Lynryd Skynyrd for some All Shall Perish or Ministry, though.

[paramount]

Liverpool Care Pathway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Care_Pathway_for_the_dying_patient#Controversy

[briansd1]

I’m seeing a lot of flip flopping on the part of Romney on the tax thing.

An adviser to former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney broke from the messaging of other Republicans Monday, arguing that the health-care mandate in the Affordable Care Act is not a tax.

“The governor disagreed with the ruling of the court, he agreed with the dissent that was written by Justice Scalia, that very clearly said that the mandate was not a tax,” Eric Fehrnstrom said on MSNBC. “The governor believes what we put in place in Massachusetts was a penalty and he disagrees with the Court’s ruling that the mandate was a tax.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/romney-adviser-breaks-from-gop-message-says-mandate-is-not-a-tax/2012/07/02/gJQAF76JIW_blog.html

As SK mentioned before, Roberts is a corporatist. And at first, ACA is a give-away to the insurance companies…. But I believe that, over the years, the business community, as a whole, will embrace ACA as a way of holding down costs.

We need to prevent health costs from growing beyond the current 18% of GDP, while expanding health care to all. That will mean some rationing, but it’s all for better, IMO.

Unlike an earlier poster, I believe that certain minimal health coverage should be available to everyone, with Cadillac coverage as extra options.

[briansd1]

And of course, we need to old drug companies accountable like the Justice Department’s recent settlement with Glaxo.

WASHINGTON — GlaxoSmithKline LLC will pay $3 billion and plead guilty to promoting two popular drugs for unapproved uses and to failing to disclose important safety information on a third in the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. history, the Justice Department said Monday.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/record-settlement-glaxosmithkline-to-plead-guilty-pay-3b-for-illicit-promotion-of-drugs/2012/07/02/gJQABroGIW_story.html

[briansd1]

[quote=harvey]
It’s the same tired old argument: Obama loses, even when he wins.
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I find this quite common among the right-wing these days.

We now often hear arguments such as: “an Obama victory is the best thing that can happen to the Republican party”, “they are all the same so it doesn’t matter; but I still prefer the Republicans”, “Roberts followed the Constitution and preemptively protected conservative values into the future although the Commerce Clause has not changed”.

Republican values are now so indefensible that their supporters can’t even point to anything positive. So they fall back to: “they are all the same; but we all lost because you won.”

Remember the Bush doctrine of preemptive defense? You annihilate the future enemy before he can attack you.

So now, according to some, we have Roberts’ preemptive jurisprudence. You rule for the other side, so that you can preemptively defend your own values later. Pure genius. Who needs Scalia when we now have Roberts?

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