OT: Obamacare decision rassling ring

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

So, when you start discussing “outlawing” obesity or “eradicating” redneck culture.[/quote]

Who’s talking about outlawing anything?

As a conservative, you should know about certain things being frowned upon and socially undesirable. Didn’t some Moral Majority evangelist say that Rap music is detrimental to our youth?

Anyway, I wouldn’t want to eradicate redneck culture. Where would I find my entertainment?

Allan, it’s all in good fun. I’m all for “vive la difference”. I just like to draw caricatures for the fun of it. After all, didn’t your side, over the years, make enough fun of treehuggers, granola munchers and tofu eaters? How times have changed… it now turns out that appreciating different kinds of tofu is quite yuppieish and elegant.

Allan, I bet that if you invited your daughter’s boyfriend’s parents over for dinner, you’d rather they came in a Prius than a jacked-up 4×4.

[scaredyclassic]

I don’t know anything about the law and really have no opinion on it other than it does seem like in the richest nation on earth you shouldn’t be tied to a job for health innsurance reasons.

[DataAgent]

[quote=squat250]I don’t know anything about the law and really have no opinion on it other than it does seem like in the richest nation on earth you shouldn’t be tied to a job for health innsurance reasons.[/quote]

ditto

[Hobie]

You’re not.
All of the self employed folks purchase health insurance on the open market at market price. Which is very high when compared to employer group policies.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Hobie]You’re not.
All of the self employed folks purchase health insurance on the open market at market price. Which is very high when compared to employer group policies.[/quote]

It’s only “very high” if the applicant has “pre-existing conditions.” HOWEVER, the lower-priced individual policies have MUCH higher co-pays and deductibles than a typical employer-sponsored policy. I’m referring to PPO’s here. Not sure if HMO’s are actually more expensive on the open market for a healthy person as opposed to an employer policy because the healthy person is “underwritten” as an individual-policy applicant. An “employee” is not. This “underwriting” requirement will go away in 2014 under HCRA.

In any case, an employer usually pays at least 60% of the monthly premium and charges the employee for the balance. Some employers even subsidize the policies of the employees’ immediate family members. A individual policy holder has to pay 100% of the premium but has far more choice in the type of coverage (and providers avail to them) than does an “employee” (who has to accept the plan(s) their employer offers).

[mike92104]

I just wish the legislation had actually tried to tackle the cost rather than just determining who pays for it. The bill sucks ass, but all people hear is “Healthcare Reform”, and therefore it must be good.

[zk]

[quote=briansd1]Victory for my side! 😉
[/quote]
Maybe. Maybe not.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/john-roberts-evil-genius-article-1.1103982

[svelte]

[quote=zk][quote=briansd1]Victory for my side! 😉
[/quote]
Maybe. Maybe not.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/john-roberts-evil-genius-article-1.1103982%5B/quote%5D

We shall seee, zk. We shall see….

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]

Allan, I bet that if you invited your daughter’s boyfriend’s parents over for dinner, you’d rather they came in a Prius than a jacked-up 4×4.[/quote]

Brian: Touche. You’re absolutely right on that one. Although, I’d prefer something a little less smug than a Prius.

You’ll never change my mind on tofu. That shit is wretched.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=svelte][quote=zk][quote=briansd1]Victory for my side! 😉
[/quote]
Maybe. Maybe not.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/john-roberts-evil-genius-article-1.1103982%5B/quote%5D

We shall seee, zk. We shall see….[/quote]

I think SCOTUS handed a victory of sorts to both sides. Obama has to be heaving a sigh of relief, but the Romney campaign is reporting a huge donation windfall and largely from small donors (as opposed to Dr. Evil, Sheldon Adelson.) Conventional wisdom has it that small donors = votes.

Both sides are energized by the decision, that’s for sure.

[ocrenter]

I loved how for the whole day the Fair and Balanced FOX news had a neat “obamaTAX” corner graphic on.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1]

Allan, I bet that if you invited your daughter’s boyfriend’s parents over for dinner, you’d rather they came in a Prius than a jacked-up 4×4.[/quote]

Brian: Touche. You’re absolutely right on that one. Although, I’d prefer something a little less smug than a Prius.

You’ll never change my mind on tofu. That shit is wretched.[/quote]

Shit…Time for me to sell my truck…But I have a few more years.

[Coronita]

Don’t forget about the two new tax surcharges that some of you folks will now be paying for as a result of obamacare.

http://www.cliftonlarsonallen.com/inside.aspx?id=364

3.8 percent net investment income tax

Beginning in 2013, higher income individuals with net investment income will be subject to a 3.8 percent tax of the lesser of two amounts:

Your net investment income, or
the excess of the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross income over a $200,000 (single) or $250,000 (joint filers) threshold amount.

If the taxpayer’s adjusted gross income is greater than the $200,000/$250,000 threshold, the excess becomes a limitation on the amount of net investment income exposed to the surtax. For example, if a joint return has a modified adjusted gross income of $260,000, the $10,000 excess becomes the limitation.

Also tax #2

Medicare surcharge tax on earned income

Presently, the Medicare tax applies to all wages and self-employment income. For wage earners, both the employer and the employee pay 1.45 percent, whereas a self-employed taxpayer pays the entire 2.9 percent.

Beginning in 2013, the health care legislation imposes an additional 0.9 percent surtax — but only on higher income households. The tax applies to income in excess of:

A single person’s wage and self-employment income over $200,000, or
the combined wage and self-employment income of a married couple exceeding $250,000.

“There is no employer match on the 0.9 percent,” says Chris Hesse, a tax partner with CliftonLarsonAllen. “This tax is entirely paid by the employee or the self-employed individual. There will be employer withholding, but if you are self-employed, you will need to build this into your quarterly tax estimates. And some joint filers will have less withheld than their combined 0.9 percent tax.”

Then again, I’m sure a lot of piss ants will say if you earn 200/250k, then you should pay more taxes. Some other piss ants will say it’s “just an incremental tax”…

all while not having to pay the tax themselves, and/or all while collecting a public pension…

Notice the fine print of these taxes. It taxes individual’s passive income. BUT if you conduct business in sort of way, you won’t be subject to it..Same old same old.

[Aecetia]

flu,

I sent you some more of the taxes that apply to many working people and not just the “rich.”

[Hobie]

Hey, send me them too.! Or post them. Maybe we need to start a new thread of new ‘non’-taxes as a result of ACA.

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