OT: New grad/profession/school pay….

[Coronita]

[quote=meadandale][quote=flu]Just ask QC…and their challenge to meet growth targets….Throwing 10x “outsourced contractors” in one big kitchen with turnover left and right in India isn’t sticking…LOL…[/quote]

Yeah, rumor is…they’ve been calling some of the US contractors that got let go last year to come back and help them with some of the projects they developed. Apparently the outsourced folks don’t have the skills. Imagine that.[/quote]

The problem is they relied too much on said companies like W and the likes….And not they are paying for it……The problem is the old timers their have never seen/done management outside their nice little kingdom they managed to get lucky with..Glue on top of glue, patch on top of patch…Their entire SW process is a complete mess from what candidates I talked to from there say. And now they need to look outside to cleanup the mess. Of course, this is freaking out folks that have had a cushy “leadership” position there for the past decade, because obviously it’s a direct threat to them..This, again, is what the folks from some of the contracting firms that I bump into are saying trying to get out of the mess…..Lol….Funny thing is all said U.S. contractors that were let go and were really good….my buddy’s firm has gobbled up (and ironically are directly competing with QC)…

Who would have thought that throwing in say 50-100 contractors who don’t give a crap about maintenance into a soup kitchen and asking them to cook something without any guidance oversight on maintaining something longer than 1 production release wouldn’t work????? But hey, that’s what the MBA’s are “recommending” who conveniently forget to read the chapter on product lifecycle management…Now, said people get to payup big time by spending more dollars hiring all the heroic cleanup crews… And now if you are part of the U.S. contractor who is now part of the cleanup crew, you’d be stupid to actually document anything you do in any meaningful way that some monkey-see-monkey do contractor at half your rate would be able to pick up….Suckers…

[8bitnintendo]

I was working for an aerospace company 2002-2006 before making the move to this more general defense contractor, and it seems (via anecdata from coworkers at both companies) that general defense contracting is not even close to as cyclical as aerospace. My friends in civilian land have a little more job uncertainty in the medium term (companies operating in the commercial realm seem to have layoffs more frequently, probably because they don’t have to get security clearances for new hires.) On the other hand, the fate of the commercial world isn’t as tightly tied to one customer as it is for us. Engineers who prioritize job security should probably try to avoid overspecializing in a field which can’t translate to a commercial position.

It was cool seeing the article give a shout-out to my alma mater.

[8bitnintendo]

I was working for an aerospace company 2002-2006 before making the move to this more general defense contractor, and it seems (via anecdata from coworkers at both companies) that general defense contracting is not even close to as cyclical as aerospace. My friends in civilian land have a little more job uncertainty in the medium term (companies operating in the commercial realm seem to have layoffs more frequently, probably because they don’t have to get security clearances for new hires.) On the other hand, the fate of the commercial world isn’t as tightly tied to one customer as it is for us. Engineers who prioritize job security should probably try to avoid overspecializing in a field which can’t translate to a commercial position.

It was cool seeing the article give a shout-out to my alma mater.

[8bitnintendo]

I was working for an aerospace company 2002-2006 before making the move to this more general defense contractor, and it seems (via anecdata from coworkers at both companies) that general defense contracting is not even close to as cyclical as aerospace. My friends in civilian land have a little more job uncertainty in the medium term (companies operating in the commercial realm seem to have layoffs more frequently, probably because they don’t have to get security clearances for new hires.) On the other hand, the fate of the commercial world isn’t as tightly tied to one customer as it is for us. Engineers who prioritize job security should probably try to avoid overspecializing in a field which can’t translate to a commercial position.

It was cool seeing the article give a shout-out to my alma mater.

[8bitnintendo]

I was working for an aerospace company 2002-2006 before making the move to this more general defense contractor, and it seems (via anecdata from coworkers at both companies) that general defense contracting is not even close to as cyclical as aerospace. My friends in civilian land have a little more job uncertainty in the medium term (companies operating in the commercial realm seem to have layoffs more frequently, probably because they don’t have to get security clearances for new hires.) On the other hand, the fate of the commercial world isn’t as tightly tied to one customer as it is for us. Engineers who prioritize job security should probably try to avoid overspecializing in a field which can’t translate to a commercial position.

It was cool seeing the article give a shout-out to my alma mater.

[8bitnintendo]

I was working for an aerospace company 2002-2006 before making the move to this more general defense contractor, and it seems (via anecdata from coworkers at both companies) that general defense contracting is not even close to as cyclical as aerospace. My friends in civilian land have a little more job uncertainty in the medium term (companies operating in the commercial realm seem to have layoffs more frequently, probably because they don’t have to get security clearances for new hires.) On the other hand, the fate of the commercial world isn’t as tightly tied to one customer as it is for us. Engineers who prioritize job security should probably try to avoid overspecializing in a field which can’t translate to a commercial position.

It was cool seeing the article give a shout-out to my alma mater.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter] . . . I think we need to bring vocational tech back to high schools in a big way. We need more people who can **DO** things, rather than just think them up.[/quote]

Completely agree, CAR. Regional Occupational Program “ROP” is VERY REASONABLY priced at all the CC’s and CAN BE FREE if you qualify. You can also begin it in your senior year of HS. The programs range from 1-2 years in length.

I am COMPLETELY AGAINST kids taking out worthless student loans only to enter an oversaturated (employer’s) market in the end as a “reward” for their hard work and diligence. They are mortgaging their young lives away in the form of “student loans” (still with no house/driving parents old car) with nothing to show for it.

The professions that ROP teaches pay well and are needed everywhere so your kid doesn’t feel they have to relocate initially or every few years just to have a job.

It’s astounding to me how many local young people had to leave SD for college (or work after college) and never came back due to oversaturation here of every degree imaginable. Most of the recent grads still here are either unemployed or vastly underemployed.

For example, what’s wrong with being a manicurist/pedicurist? It’s a skilled job and close to home. It can be good money for less than 30 hours per week.

For instance, Sears pays well for alignment professionals and can offer full-time work with full benefits.

These large employers of late are NOT getting good deals on health insurance anymore and are charging their FT employees a fortune for it out of their pay and the co-pays are now very high. If you’re young and healthy, why not just get an individual plan for about $100 per month?? The co-pays are the same as that of a large employer and they pay 100% of all preventative care. The only difference is that the policyholder would pay the first $5K to $8K of potential hospitalization, which, IMO, is a chance worth taking at that price.

I don’t think “FT careers” are all their cracked up to be anymore as the *new “professional” paycheck* is just decimated with deductions in the form of taxes, health insurance and high retirement contributions (if gov’mt) that my generation did not have.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter] . . . I think we need to bring vocational tech back to high schools in a big way. We need more people who can **DO** things, rather than just think them up.[/quote]

Completely agree, CAR. Regional Occupational Program “ROP” is VERY REASONABLY priced at all the CC’s and CAN BE FREE if you qualify. You can also begin it in your senior year of HS. The programs range from 1-2 years in length.

I am COMPLETELY AGAINST kids taking out worthless student loans only to enter an oversaturated (employer’s) market in the end as a “reward” for their hard work and diligence. They are mortgaging their young lives away in the form of “student loans” (still with no house/driving parents old car) with nothing to show for it.

The professions that ROP teaches pay well and are needed everywhere so your kid doesn’t feel they have to relocate initially or every few years just to have a job.

It’s astounding to me how many local young people had to leave SD for college (or work after college) and never came back due to oversaturation here of every degree imaginable. Most of the recent grads still here are either unemployed or vastly underemployed.

For example, what’s wrong with being a manicurist/pedicurist? It’s a skilled job and close to home. It can be good money for less than 30 hours per week.

For instance, Sears pays well for alignment professionals and can offer full-time work with full benefits.

These large employers of late are NOT getting good deals on health insurance anymore and are charging their FT employees a fortune for it out of their pay and the co-pays are now very high. If you’re young and healthy, why not just get an individual plan for about $100 per month?? The co-pays are the same as that of a large employer and they pay 100% of all preventative care. The only difference is that the policyholder would pay the first $5K to $8K of potential hospitalization, which, IMO, is a chance worth taking at that price.

I don’t think “FT careers” are all their cracked up to be anymore as the *new “professional” paycheck* is just decimated with deductions in the form of taxes, health insurance and high retirement contributions (if gov’mt) that my generation did not have.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter] . . . I think we need to bring vocational tech back to high schools in a big way. We need more people who can **DO** things, rather than just think them up.[/quote]

Completely agree, CAR. Regional Occupational Program “ROP” is VERY REASONABLY priced at all the CC’s and CAN BE FREE if you qualify. You can also begin it in your senior year of HS. The programs range from 1-2 years in length.

I am COMPLETELY AGAINST kids taking out worthless student loans only to enter an oversaturated (employer’s) market in the end as a “reward” for their hard work and diligence. They are mortgaging their young lives away in the form of “student loans” (still with no house/driving parents old car) with nothing to show for it.

The professions that ROP teaches pay well and are needed everywhere so your kid doesn’t feel they have to relocate initially or every few years just to have a job.

It’s astounding to me how many local young people had to leave SD for college (or work after college) and never came back due to oversaturation here of every degree imaginable. Most of the recent grads still here are either unemployed or vastly underemployed.

For example, what’s wrong with being a manicurist/pedicurist? It’s a skilled job and close to home. It can be good money for less than 30 hours per week.

For instance, Sears pays well for alignment professionals and can offer full-time work with full benefits.

These large employers of late are NOT getting good deals on health insurance anymore and are charging their FT employees a fortune for it out of their pay and the co-pays are now very high. If you’re young and healthy, why not just get an individual plan for about $100 per month?? The co-pays are the same as that of a large employer and they pay 100% of all preventative care. The only difference is that the policyholder would pay the first $5K to $8K of potential hospitalization, which, IMO, is a chance worth taking at that price.

I don’t think “FT careers” are all their cracked up to be anymore as the *new “professional” paycheck* is just decimated with deductions in the form of taxes, health insurance and high retirement contributions (if gov’mt) that my generation did not have.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter] . . . I think we need to bring vocational tech back to high schools in a big way. We need more people who can **DO** things, rather than just think them up.[/quote]

Completely agree, CAR. Regional Occupational Program “ROP” is VERY REASONABLY priced at all the CC’s and CAN BE FREE if you qualify. You can also begin it in your senior year of HS. The programs range from 1-2 years in length.

I am COMPLETELY AGAINST kids taking out worthless student loans only to enter an oversaturated (employer’s) market in the end as a “reward” for their hard work and diligence. They are mortgaging their young lives away in the form of “student loans” (still with no house/driving parents old car) with nothing to show for it.

The professions that ROP teaches pay well and are needed everywhere so your kid doesn’t feel they have to relocate initially or every few years just to have a job.

It’s astounding to me how many local young people had to leave SD for college (or work after college) and never came back due to oversaturation here of every degree imaginable. Most of the recent grads still here are either unemployed or vastly underemployed.

For example, what’s wrong with being a manicurist/pedicurist? It’s a skilled job and close to home. It can be good money for less than 30 hours per week.

For instance, Sears pays well for alignment professionals and can offer full-time work with full benefits.

These large employers of late are NOT getting good deals on health insurance anymore and are charging their FT employees a fortune for it out of their pay and the co-pays are now very high. If you’re young and healthy, why not just get an individual plan for about $100 per month?? The co-pays are the same as that of a large employer and they pay 100% of all preventative care. The only difference is that the policyholder would pay the first $5K to $8K of potential hospitalization, which, IMO, is a chance worth taking at that price.

I don’t think “FT careers” are all their cracked up to be anymore as the *new “professional” paycheck* is just decimated with deductions in the form of taxes, health insurance and high retirement contributions (if gov’mt) that my generation did not have.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=CA renter] . . . I think we need to bring vocational tech back to high schools in a big way. We need more people who can **DO** things, rather than just think them up.[/quote]

Completely agree, CAR. Regional Occupational Program “ROP” is VERY REASONABLY priced at all the CC’s and CAN BE FREE if you qualify. You can also begin it in your senior year of HS. The programs range from 1-2 years in length.

I am COMPLETELY AGAINST kids taking out worthless student loans only to enter an oversaturated (employer’s) market in the end as a “reward” for their hard work and diligence. They are mortgaging their young lives away in the form of “student loans” (still with no house/driving parents old car) with nothing to show for it.

The professions that ROP teaches pay well and are needed everywhere so your kid doesn’t feel they have to relocate initially or every few years just to have a job.

It’s astounding to me how many local young people had to leave SD for college (or work after college) and never came back due to oversaturation here of every degree imaginable. Most of the recent grads still here are either unemployed or vastly underemployed.

For example, what’s wrong with being a manicurist/pedicurist? It’s a skilled job and close to home. It can be good money for less than 30 hours per week.

For instance, Sears pays well for alignment professionals and can offer full-time work with full benefits.

These large employers of late are NOT getting good deals on health insurance anymore and are charging their FT employees a fortune for it out of their pay and the co-pays are now very high. If you’re young and healthy, why not just get an individual plan for about $100 per month?? The co-pays are the same as that of a large employer and they pay 100% of all preventative care. The only difference is that the policyholder would pay the first $5K to $8K of potential hospitalization, which, IMO, is a chance worth taking at that price.

I don’t think “FT careers” are all their cracked up to be anymore as the *new “professional” paycheck* is just decimated with deductions in the form of taxes, health insurance and high retirement contributions (if gov’mt) that my generation did not have.

[bearishgurl]

I am acquainted with several young people who have been (SD) county employees for <5 years as they are the sons/daughters of friends. ALL have bachelor's degrees and one has a master's degree.

ALL of these young people are DOING THE SAME EXACT JOBS that my generation did with GED's and HS diplomas. The only difference is that their computers are (slightly) better than ours were.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS and can't stand the micromanagement and hierarchal/favoritism games. But they OWE SO MUCH $$ IN STUDENT LOANS that they don't feel they can't quit. Not ONE of them sees themselves staying long enough to become eligible for a decent pension. All are still living with parents except one and are trying to pay off student loan debt so they can GET OUT ASAP!!

For the life of me, WHY would the county hire people with THESE degrees to perform THIS grunt work?? The only thing I can come up with is "because they can." :={

[bearishgurl]

I am acquainted with several young people who have been (SD) county employees for <5 years as they are the sons/daughters of friends. ALL have bachelor's degrees and one has a master's degree.

ALL of these young people are DOING THE SAME EXACT JOBS that my generation did with GED's and HS diplomas. The only difference is that their computers are (slightly) better than ours were.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS and can't stand the micromanagement and hierarchal/favoritism games. But they OWE SO MUCH $$ IN STUDENT LOANS that they don't feel they can't quit. Not ONE of them sees themselves staying long enough to become eligible for a decent pension. All are still living with parents except one and are trying to pay off student loan debt so they can GET OUT ASAP!!

For the life of me, WHY would the county hire people with THESE degrees to perform THIS grunt work?? The only thing I can come up with is "because they can." :={

[bearishgurl]

I am acquainted with several young people who have been (SD) county employees for <5 years as they are the sons/daughters of friends. ALL have bachelor's degrees and one has a master's degree.

ALL of these young people are DOING THE SAME EXACT JOBS that my generation did with GED's and HS diplomas. The only difference is that their computers are (slightly) better than ours were.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS and can't stand the micromanagement and hierarchal/favoritism games. But they OWE SO MUCH $$ IN STUDENT LOANS that they don't feel they can't quit. Not ONE of them sees themselves staying long enough to become eligible for a decent pension. All are still living with parents except one and are trying to pay off student loan debt so they can GET OUT ASAP!!

For the life of me, WHY would the county hire people with THESE degrees to perform THIS grunt work?? The only thing I can come up with is "because they can." :={

[bearishgurl]

I am acquainted with several young people who have been (SD) county employees for <5 years as they are the sons/daughters of friends. ALL have bachelor's degrees and one has a master's degree.

ALL of these young people are DOING THE SAME EXACT JOBS that my generation did with GED's and HS diplomas. The only difference is that their computers are (slightly) better than ours were.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS and can't stand the micromanagement and hierarchal/favoritism games. But they OWE SO MUCH $$ IN STUDENT LOANS that they don't feel they can't quit. Not ONE of them sees themselves staying long enough to become eligible for a decent pension. All are still living with parents except one and are trying to pay off student loan debt so they can GET OUT ASAP!!

For the life of me, WHY would the county hire people with THESE degrees to perform THIS grunt work?? The only thing I can come up with is "because they can." :={

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