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October 19, 2012 at 8:40 AM #752844October 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM #752870
SK in CV
Participant[quote=Ren]This is a little contradictory. If you have hope, that means you don’t know, which means you’re agnostic. If you believe there is no God, you’re an atheist, which is a form of religion in itself – you don’t know that there is no God. There is no incontrovertible proof either way.
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Atheism is not a religion. Absence of evidence is not evidence.
October 19, 2012 at 9:31 PM #752888CDMA ENG
Participant[quote=Ren][quote=CDMA ENG]I am an athetist these days… With the small hope thier is a higher power but don’t believe it.
[/quote]This is a little contradictory. If you have hope, that means you don’t know, which means you’re agnostic. If you believe there is no God, you’re an atheist, which is a form of religion in itself – you don’t know that there is no God. There is no incontrovertible proof either way.
I usually describe myself as an agnostic theist, and you might think on similar lines. I don’t know, but I think there might be.[/quote]
You’re right… I don’t know as niether do you… but none the less I don’t believe. That makes me an atheist.
I hope there is a god more out of the need for justice than the need for everlasting life. Everlasting life sounds quite boring to be truthful. I would like to think that there are some that will pay for thier miss-doing in the next world…
At the end of the day I would rather there be a Santa Claus then a god though…
CE
October 20, 2012 at 1:46 AM #752896
svelteParticipant[quote=CDMA ENG]
At the end of the day I would rather there be a Santa Claus then a god though…
CE[/quote]God is just a Santa Clause for adults.
Think about it.
We say to kids: “Be good, and Santa will give you lots of toys!”
We say to adults: “Be good, and we’ll give you eternal life in heaven!”
October 20, 2012 at 7:58 AM #752899scaredyclassic
Participantthe jews don’t say that.
basically, i think, they say, obey Torah. Because you’ll have a better life here…afterlife is not a big topic.October 20, 2012 at 9:16 AM #752906svelteParticipantDaniel 12:2 “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
October 20, 2012 at 9:29 AM #752907Ren
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=Ren]This is a little contradictory. If you have hope, that means you don’t know, which means you’re agnostic. If you believe there is no God, you’re an atheist, which is a form of religion in itself – you don’t know that there is no God. There is no incontrovertible proof either way.
[/quote]Atheism is not a religion. Absence of evidence is not evidence.[/quote]
The definition of “atheism” changes depending on whether you’re talking to an atheist or not, which is convenient for debates. To non-atheists, it’s “the theory or belief that there is no God” (hence religious), while to atheists it’s the “absence of belief” (which is part of being agnostic). However, taking the word “atheism” out of the equation, the facts are:
A) No one on Earth, regardless of belief, knows if there is a God or not. The evidence isn’t there.
B) Those who don’t accept A are religious, because they believe otherwise.
So, if you’re using the definition “absence of belief” and you accept the fact that you don’t know if there is a God, you’re also agnostic whether you admit it or not. Of course the word “atheist” is better for shock value.
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You’re right… I don’t know as niether do you… but none the less I don’t believe. That makes me an agnostic.
[/quote]Fixed 😉
October 20, 2012 at 9:57 AM #752909svelteParticipantOh for Christ’s sake….leave the poor guy alone!
He said he doesn’t believe there is a god. That makes him an ATHEIST.
But he also admits he doesn’t know. That makes him also an AGNOSTIC.
Which makes him an Atheist Agnostic….just as he described himself!
October 20, 2012 at 10:35 AM #752913Participant[quote=Ren][quote=SK in CV][quote=Ren]This is a little contradictory. If you have hope, that means you don’t know, which means you’re agnostic. If you believe there is no God, you’re an atheist, which is a form of religion in itself – you don’t know that there is no God. There is no incontrovertible proof either way.
[/quote]Atheism is not a religion. Absence of evidence is not evidence.[/quote]
The definition of “atheism” changes depending on whether you’re talking to an atheist or not, which is convenient for debates. To non-atheists, it’s “the theory or belief that there is no God” (hence religious), while to atheists it’s the “absence of belief” (which is part of being agnostic). However, taking the word “atheism” out of the equation, the facts are:
A) No one on Earth, regardless of belief, knows if there is a God or not. The evidence isn’t there.
B) Those who don’t accept A are religious, because they believe otherwise.
So, if you’re using the definition “absence of belief” and you accept the fact that you don’t know if there is a God, you’re also agnostic whether you admit it or not. Of course the word “atheist” is better for shock value.
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You’re right… I don’t know as niether do you… but none the less I don’t believe. That makes me an agnostic.
[/quote]Fixed ;-)[/quote]
I just told you I don’t believe. Hoping is not believing. Fix yourself.
As for Santa…
Santa is more tangible than God… I see the gifts that I have received from him and overall I think he has made more people happy…. He still brings gifts if you are gay, or don’t believe in some basic tenets of a church or doctrine… He only cares if you have been good…
Personally I think he inspires more feelings of love and charity than does God.
Just my own thoughts on the subject…
CE
October 20, 2012 at 11:03 AM #752917bearishgurl
ParticipantGood L@rd! Oops …
As I have posted before, I have “issues” with Mormons (primarily men) with being “Do as I say, not as I do” types. Contrary to popular belief, there are MANY Mormon men who are VERY married with (several) children and who are pretending in public and in their workplaces to be “single.”
Also, I don’t like the way the Mormon kids (teenagers) “gang up” on a classmate they are trying to “convert” and congregate in front of their “potential convert’s” home, waiting for them to come outside. To my mind, this is stalking.
As far as being “exclusionary,” I don’t see that they are (but may have been in the past).
However, I don’t want to offend any Mormons here. The above describes my experiences only.
Carry on, folks :=0
October 20, 2012 at 11:51 AM #752921NotCranky
ParticipantSometimes I think, in moments of extremism probably, that a national, or even global, DADT policy on religion would be nice. Make it illegal to discuss what you are, or what others are, outside of the place you go to worship or meet or in your own house or car.
October 22, 2012 at 10:20 AM #753012Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]I just told you I don’t believe. Hoping is not believing. Fix yourself.
[/quote]You also said you don’t know. I’m not trying to convert you – I don’t care what you call yourself. But if you ever happen to look it up and apply the term you think best applies to you, chances are it’s “agnostic atheist,” as I’m an agnostic theist. Atheism by itself is an incorrect term for the vast majority of atheists. You’ll know the difference if you talk to a REAL atheist, and you’ll find a bunch of them at any James Randi conference. Religious to the core.
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Santa is more tangible than God… I see the gifts that I have received from him and overall I think he has made more people happy…. He still brings gifts if you are gay, or don’t believe in some basic tenets of a church or doctrine… He only cares if you have been good…Personally I think he inspires more feelings of love and charity than does God.
[/quote]Completely agree.
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