OT: mormonism and black people

[scaredyclassic]

until 1978, black people were way 2nd class citizens in the mormon church.

that’s definitely in romney’slifeetime.

is it weird for him to be debating a black dude?

[cvmom]

What happened in 1978? I need to google it I guess

[dumbrenter]

Around that time black folk were 2nd class citizens in most other churches too. It should have been as weird for McCain or Clinton too to be debating Obama

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=dumbrenter]Around that time black folk were 2nd class citizens in most other churches too. It should have been as weird for McCain or Clinton too to be debating Obama[/quote]

Women still have that standing, by the above, as most churchs will not let women hold the priesthood, but it was taught that Blacks where one of the 12 tribes of Israel and that they were cast out because of there wickedness and that god marked them by darkening their skin.

Becasue they were from the wicked tribe (I forget the name of the tribe) they were not allowed to hold the priesthood for years until 1978 when there was the great “Revelation”.

Please do not flame me and I apologize for upsetting anyone in advance.

This is what I was taught as a mormon.

I am an athetist these days… With the small hope thier is a higher power but don’t believe it.

BTW mormonism is a strange term to mormons… It was a term that created by non-mormons… The term LDS is more prevelant.

Regards,

CE

[scaredyclassic]

well but everyone is a priest in the mormon church.

i think the deal was blacks couldn’t get celestial marriages and other benefits, so in the afterlife, they basically had lowerclass positions, like servants to the fully celestially endowed, whcih w as still good, because at least you were in heaven, even if you had a crap job there, much better than non-mormons, whoa re totally locked out, but not as good a spot in heaven as what a full on white person would get. that changed in 78 when blacks were recognized as being entitled toa full share of the afterlife.

the problem came about due to prosyletizing in brazil–no one could tell who the black people were, or how much black was in them…so for expansion purposes, a revelation w as necessary…good business move…

seems different than women in churches today…or maybe not….

[creechrr]

Was the church having financial problems in ’78?

[svelte]

[quote=creechrr]Was the church having financial problems in ’78?[/quote]

Not sure, but here is a good article on their upcoming financial pinch…

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2012/10/mormon_church_money_why_the_lds_church_needs_to_save_for_the_future_.html

Personally, I think squat mentioned 1978 because he knew that was the year svelte had his first black woman and theorized that LDS thought if svelte thinks they’re great, so do we!

[UCGal]

[quote=squat250]well but everyone is a priest in the mormon church.

i think the deal was blacks couldn’t get celestial marriages and other benefits, so in the afterlife, they basically had lowerclass positions, like servants to the fully celestially endowed, whcih w as still good, because at least you were in heaven, even if you had a crap job there, much better than non-mormons, whoa re totally locked out, but not as good a spot in heaven as what a full on white person would get. that changed in 78 when blacks were recognized as being entitled toa full share of the afterlife.

the problem came about due to prosyletizing in brazil–no one could tell who the black people were, or how much black was in them…so for expansion purposes, a revelation w as necessary…good business move…

seems different than women in churches today…or maybe not….[/quote]
Not to quibble – but I’m not sure if women are priests in the LDS faith. In fact I’m pretty sure they can’t hold any ecclesiastic roles in the church.
Maybe that makes it easier to put them in a binder.

[cvmom]

[quote=UCGal]
Maybe that makes it easier to put them in a binder.[/quote]

good one LOL 🙂

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=svelte]

Personally, I think squat mentioned 1978 because he knew that was the year svelte had his first black woman and theorized that LDS thought if svelte thinks they’re great, so do we![/quote]

Svelte: Uh, yeah, that definitely qualifies as TMI.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=UCGal][quote=squat250]well but everyone is a priest in the mormon church.

i think the deal was blacks couldn’t get celestial marriages and other benefits, so in the afterlife, they basically had lowerclass positions, like servants to the fully celestially endowed, whcih w as still good, because at least you were in heaven, even if you had a crap job there, much better than non-mormons, whoa re totally locked out, but not as good a spot in heaven as what a full on white person would get. that changed in 78 when blacks were recognized as being entitled toa full share of the afterlife.

the problem came about due to prosyletizing in brazil–no one could tell who the black people were, or how much black was in them…so for expansion purposes, a revelation w as necessary…good business move…

seems different than women in churches today…or maybe not….[/quote]
Not to quibble – but I’m not sure if women are priests in the LDS faith. In fact I’m pretty sure they can’t hold any ecclesiastic roles in the church.
Maybe that makes it easier to put them in a binder.[/quote]

UCGal: As I understand it, they also don’t get their own planet after they die, unlike the men.

I got booted from the tour of the Mormon church in La Jolla after asking if you got to name your own planet or not. Apparently that was considered very offensive, for some reason. I was genuinely curious, actually.

[Veritas]

I have been thrown out of bars for fighting, but I have never been ejected from a church or temple. Wow, Allan. That is a first!

[svelte]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I got booted from the tour of the Mormon church in La Jolla after asking if you got to name your own planet or not. Apparently that was considered very offensive, for some reason. I was genuinely curious, actually.[/quote]

I was best man at a wedding, standing in the back room with the best man and pastor looking through a little window at the crowd in the pews.

The pastor saw two men in black pants, white shirts, and black ties. “Are those Mormons?? Who invited Mormons to the wedding?” he said, visibly angry. “Uh, I did” said the groom. There was dead silence.

He probably would have kicked me out had I chimed in that I’m a non-believer.

We were at a dance club a few weeks ago, midnight on a Sat night, when a man we didn’t know came up and started talking to us. After about 5 minutes, he said “hey, there’s this great church just a couple minutes away you should go to…” I injected “well, we’re Atheists”. The look on his face was priceless. His mouth, still open and frozen mid-sentence, didn’t know what to say. He looked at us as if we were Satan.

It’s amazing how many religions are intolerant of other views.

[scaredyclassic]

i name my planet Planet Claire.

saw the b52s at pechanga. it was too loud for me

[Ren]

The self-imposed ignorance of the religious continues to astonish me. Much of the time it also involves stupidity (your own planet? A lake of fire? Really??), but I’ve known a couple of very intelligent JW’s. They also had fairly obvious psychological issues, which I believe are a result of the constant battle of their superior brainpower against extremely thorough (from childhood) brainwashing.

My favorite quote this month is…

“The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.”

– Neil deGrasse Tyson

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