OT- More Government Control

[Coronita]

…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Why does Barack want higher taxes?
A. Cause he won’t be the one paying them.

Q. What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A. Deductible.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. How will President Obama will make it a lot easier for most people to do their income taxes next year?
A. No jobs, no income.

Q. Why is President Obama planing to start printing income tax forms on Kleenex?
A. So it will be easier for us to pay through the nose.

Q. What’s the difference between Obama’s stance on torture versus Bush’s stance on torture?
A. Obama doesn’t want terrorists tortured. He wants to torture American taxpayers instead.

Q. Why did Barack Obama register to run for office as a Democrat?
A. The Communist Party doesn’t have enough voters.

Q. What’s the difference between the cash for clunker program and the Obama healthcare reform plan?
A. You must have owned the vehicle for at least one year, but you must have lived with your ancestor your entire life to scrap both for cash. Both require a liquid to be fed to the victim to cause seizing as part of the program.

Q. What’s the difference between Pinocchio and Barack Obama?
A. Obama’s nose doesn’t grow when he lies. He just smiles.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why does Barack Obama oppose the Second Amendment?
A. It stands between him and the First.

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.

[Arraya]

As the United States enters a new and unprecedented political era — or, as killjoy cynics might put it, as the American empire gets a new set of temporary managers — the fate of the “dissident” movement that arose under the Bush Regime seems greatly occluded. So many of those who set out their stalls as bold outsiders “speaking truth to power” now find themselves on the inside, enthralled by power, speaking for power, as it is personified by President-elect Barack Obama — who, ironically, has consistently repudiated many of the tenets and principles that provoked the dissidents’ outrage in the first place.

I have always disliked this phrase “speaking truth to power” (although I’m sure I’ve lazily employed it myself on several occasions). No one needs to speak truth to power: power knows the truth well enough, it knows what it is doing, and to whom, and why. What we need, most desperately, are people who will speak truth about power, and speak it to people who might not have heard that truth through the howling cacophony of media diversion, corporate spin and political manipulation.

So for those of dissident bent who would still like to speak truth about power – and who are not sending their CVs to the Obama transition team or signing on as happy warriors to defend the new imperial managers from revenge attacks by bitter partisans of the ousted faction — the question of how best to comport oneself in this brave new world takes on some urgency. In this regard, we would like to suggest the following conceptual framework for analyzing and understanding the moral, ethical, social, economic and legal implications of the policies and actions of the coming administration. (And it even comes with its own handy acronym!):

“WIBDI: What If Bush Did It?”

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd11052008.html

[Arraya]

As the United States enters a new and unprecedented political era — or, as killjoy cynics might put it, as the American empire gets a new set of temporary managers — the fate of the “dissident” movement that arose under the Bush Regime seems greatly occluded. So many of those who set out their stalls as bold outsiders “speaking truth to power” now find themselves on the inside, enthralled by power, speaking for power, as it is personified by President-elect Barack Obama — who, ironically, has consistently repudiated many of the tenets and principles that provoked the dissidents’ outrage in the first place.

I have always disliked this phrase “speaking truth to power” (although I’m sure I’ve lazily employed it myself on several occasions). No one needs to speak truth to power: power knows the truth well enough, it knows what it is doing, and to whom, and why. What we need, most desperately, are people who will speak truth about power, and speak it to people who might not have heard that truth through the howling cacophony of media diversion, corporate spin and political manipulation.

So for those of dissident bent who would still like to speak truth about power – and who are not sending their CVs to the Obama transition team or signing on as happy warriors to defend the new imperial managers from revenge attacks by bitter partisans of the ousted faction — the question of how best to comport oneself in this brave new world takes on some urgency. In this regard, we would like to suggest the following conceptual framework for analyzing and understanding the moral, ethical, social, economic and legal implications of the policies and actions of the coming administration. (And it even comes with its own handy acronym!):

“WIBDI: What If Bush Did It?”

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd11052008.html

[Arraya]

As the United States enters a new and unprecedented political era — or, as killjoy cynics might put it, as the American empire gets a new set of temporary managers — the fate of the “dissident” movement that arose under the Bush Regime seems greatly occluded. So many of those who set out their stalls as bold outsiders “speaking truth to power” now find themselves on the inside, enthralled by power, speaking for power, as it is personified by President-elect Barack Obama — who, ironically, has consistently repudiated many of the tenets and principles that provoked the dissidents’ outrage in the first place.

I have always disliked this phrase “speaking truth to power” (although I’m sure I’ve lazily employed it myself on several occasions). No one needs to speak truth to power: power knows the truth well enough, it knows what it is doing, and to whom, and why. What we need, most desperately, are people who will speak truth about power, and speak it to people who might not have heard that truth through the howling cacophony of media diversion, corporate spin and political manipulation.

So for those of dissident bent who would still like to speak truth about power – and who are not sending their CVs to the Obama transition team or signing on as happy warriors to defend the new imperial managers from revenge attacks by bitter partisans of the ousted faction — the question of how best to comport oneself in this brave new world takes on some urgency. In this regard, we would like to suggest the following conceptual framework for analyzing and understanding the moral, ethical, social, economic and legal implications of the policies and actions of the coming administration. (And it even comes with its own handy acronym!):

“WIBDI: What If Bush Did It?”

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd11052008.html

[Arraya]

As the United States enters a new and unprecedented political era — or, as killjoy cynics might put it, as the American empire gets a new set of temporary managers — the fate of the “dissident” movement that arose under the Bush Regime seems greatly occluded. So many of those who set out their stalls as bold outsiders “speaking truth to power” now find themselves on the inside, enthralled by power, speaking for power, as it is personified by President-elect Barack Obama — who, ironically, has consistently repudiated many of the tenets and principles that provoked the dissidents’ outrage in the first place.

I have always disliked this phrase “speaking truth to power” (although I’m sure I’ve lazily employed it myself on several occasions). No one needs to speak truth to power: power knows the truth well enough, it knows what it is doing, and to whom, and why. What we need, most desperately, are people who will speak truth about power, and speak it to people who might not have heard that truth through the howling cacophony of media diversion, corporate spin and political manipulation.

So for those of dissident bent who would still like to speak truth about power – and who are not sending their CVs to the Obama transition team or signing on as happy warriors to defend the new imperial managers from revenge attacks by bitter partisans of the ousted faction — the question of how best to comport oneself in this brave new world takes on some urgency. In this regard, we would like to suggest the following conceptual framework for analyzing and understanding the moral, ethical, social, economic and legal implications of the policies and actions of the coming administration. (And it even comes with its own handy acronym!):

“WIBDI: What If Bush Did It?”

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd11052008.html

[Arraya]

As the United States enters a new and unprecedented political era — or, as killjoy cynics might put it, as the American empire gets a new set of temporary managers — the fate of the “dissident” movement that arose under the Bush Regime seems greatly occluded. So many of those who set out their stalls as bold outsiders “speaking truth to power” now find themselves on the inside, enthralled by power, speaking for power, as it is personified by President-elect Barack Obama — who, ironically, has consistently repudiated many of the tenets and principles that provoked the dissidents’ outrage in the first place.

I have always disliked this phrase “speaking truth to power” (although I’m sure I’ve lazily employed it myself on several occasions). No one needs to speak truth to power: power knows the truth well enough, it knows what it is doing, and to whom, and why. What we need, most desperately, are people who will speak truth about power, and speak it to people who might not have heard that truth through the howling cacophony of media diversion, corporate spin and political manipulation.

So for those of dissident bent who would still like to speak truth about power – and who are not sending their CVs to the Obama transition team or signing on as happy warriors to defend the new imperial managers from revenge attacks by bitter partisans of the ousted faction — the question of how best to comport oneself in this brave new world takes on some urgency. In this regard, we would like to suggest the following conceptual framework for analyzing and understanding the moral, ethical, social, economic and legal implications of the policies and actions of the coming administration. (And it even comes with its own handy acronym!):

“WIBDI: What If Bush Did It?”

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd11052008.html

[Zeitgeist]

Brilliant point, Arraya, brilliant. Thanks for the link.

On another note, I expect unemployment to be over 10% overall when they release the newest stats. Sit back and watch the spin on those. They will probably say it is because of seasonal, i.e, teachers, etc.

[Zeitgeist]

Brilliant point, Arraya, brilliant. Thanks for the link.

On another note, I expect unemployment to be over 10% overall when they release the newest stats. Sit back and watch the spin on those. They will probably say it is because of seasonal, i.e, teachers, etc.

[Zeitgeist]

Brilliant point, Arraya, brilliant. Thanks for the link.

On another note, I expect unemployment to be over 10% overall when they release the newest stats. Sit back and watch the spin on those. They will probably say it is because of seasonal, i.e, teachers, etc.

[Zeitgeist]

Brilliant point, Arraya, brilliant. Thanks for the link.

On another note, I expect unemployment to be over 10% overall when they release the newest stats. Sit back and watch the spin on those. They will probably say it is because of seasonal, i.e, teachers, etc.

[Zeitgeist]

Brilliant point, Arraya, brilliant. Thanks for the link.

On another note, I expect unemployment to be over 10% overall when they release the newest stats. Sit back and watch the spin on those. They will probably say it is because of seasonal, i.e, teachers, etc.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.[/quote]

Good points Allan, though I don’t agree with all your words. Obama may have invoked Jesus’s name more than Bush’s; I really don’t know, but wow you just made me realize that the religious discourse in this country has quieted-and I like it. I’m going to enjoy my short time without Ralph Reed, Dobson and Perkins filling the airwaves with their hypocritical and hateful bs. I say short time because they are not gone forever in all likelihood with that pesky notion of democracy.

I don’t care if Obama has invoked Jesus’s name more- it’s what he’s done or not done with it that I care about.

Wow its true i just thought about it again; its nice not having a bunch of evangelist in the White House right now. We actually get to think about our huge problems and not hide behind the hope that we are simply the chosen ones and that Jesus will save us and show us the way as we look into his eyes and see into his soul, Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Is the world getting creepier with our privacy being impinged more? Sure. I don’t know what we can do about it aside from use our democratic government to elect leaders who would step by step dismantle such intrusive programs. I don’t think its loony to think our civil liberties are becoming more infringed upon.

I think its loony to call Obama a Nazi, because if Texas experienced a severe disaster Obama would be there in a heart beat. If he were really a Nazi- he would just let it sink, save all the Hispanics and relocate them to red states and enjoy the electoral vote upswing. Seriously. That’s what a bunch of damn Nazi’s would do. Then when people became outraged- he’d just shoot them. Take their homes, money and turn their skin into lamps. Yep, he’s not a Nazi.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.[/quote]

Good points Allan, though I don’t agree with all your words. Obama may have invoked Jesus’s name more than Bush’s; I really don’t know, but wow you just made me realize that the religious discourse in this country has quieted-and I like it. I’m going to enjoy my short time without Ralph Reed, Dobson and Perkins filling the airwaves with their hypocritical and hateful bs. I say short time because they are not gone forever in all likelihood with that pesky notion of democracy.

I don’t care if Obama has invoked Jesus’s name more- it’s what he’s done or not done with it that I care about.

Wow its true i just thought about it again; its nice not having a bunch of evangelist in the White House right now. We actually get to think about our huge problems and not hide behind the hope that we are simply the chosen ones and that Jesus will save us and show us the way as we look into his eyes and see into his soul, Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Is the world getting creepier with our privacy being impinged more? Sure. I don’t know what we can do about it aside from use our democratic government to elect leaders who would step by step dismantle such intrusive programs. I don’t think its loony to think our civil liberties are becoming more infringed upon.

I think its loony to call Obama a Nazi, because if Texas experienced a severe disaster Obama would be there in a heart beat. If he were really a Nazi- he would just let it sink, save all the Hispanics and relocate them to red states and enjoy the electoral vote upswing. Seriously. That’s what a bunch of damn Nazi’s would do. Then when people became outraged- he’d just shoot them. Take their homes, money and turn their skin into lamps. Yep, he’s not a Nazi.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.[/quote]

Good points Allan, though I don’t agree with all your words. Obama may have invoked Jesus’s name more than Bush’s; I really don’t know, but wow you just made me realize that the religious discourse in this country has quieted-and I like it. I’m going to enjoy my short time without Ralph Reed, Dobson and Perkins filling the airwaves with their hypocritical and hateful bs. I say short time because they are not gone forever in all likelihood with that pesky notion of democracy.

I don’t care if Obama has invoked Jesus’s name more- it’s what he’s done or not done with it that I care about.

Wow its true i just thought about it again; its nice not having a bunch of evangelist in the White House right now. We actually get to think about our huge problems and not hide behind the hope that we are simply the chosen ones and that Jesus will save us and show us the way as we look into his eyes and see into his soul, Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Is the world getting creepier with our privacy being impinged more? Sure. I don’t know what we can do about it aside from use our democratic government to elect leaders who would step by step dismantle such intrusive programs. I don’t think its loony to think our civil liberties are becoming more infringed upon.

I think its loony to call Obama a Nazi, because if Texas experienced a severe disaster Obama would be there in a heart beat. If he were really a Nazi- he would just let it sink, save all the Hispanics and relocate them to red states and enjoy the electoral vote upswing. Seriously. That’s what a bunch of damn Nazi’s would do. Then when people became outraged- he’d just shoot them. Take their homes, money and turn their skin into lamps. Yep, he’s not a Nazi.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.[/quote]

Good points Allan, though I don’t agree with all your words. Obama may have invoked Jesus’s name more than Bush’s; I really don’t know, but wow you just made me realize that the religious discourse in this country has quieted-and I like it. I’m going to enjoy my short time without Ralph Reed, Dobson and Perkins filling the airwaves with their hypocritical and hateful bs. I say short time because they are not gone forever in all likelihood with that pesky notion of democracy.

I don’t care if Obama has invoked Jesus’s name more- it’s what he’s done or not done with it that I care about.

Wow its true i just thought about it again; its nice not having a bunch of evangelist in the White House right now. We actually get to think about our huge problems and not hide behind the hope that we are simply the chosen ones and that Jesus will save us and show us the way as we look into his eyes and see into his soul, Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Is the world getting creepier with our privacy being impinged more? Sure. I don’t know what we can do about it aside from use our democratic government to elect leaders who would step by step dismantle such intrusive programs. I don’t think its loony to think our civil liberties are becoming more infringed upon.

I think its loony to call Obama a Nazi, because if Texas experienced a severe disaster Obama would be there in a heart beat. If he were really a Nazi- he would just let it sink, save all the Hispanics and relocate them to red states and enjoy the electoral vote upswing. Seriously. That’s what a bunch of damn Nazi’s would do. Then when people became outraged- he’d just shoot them. Take their homes, money and turn their skin into lamps. Yep, he’s not a Nazi.

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