OT: Men, the Gender Wars Are Over — We Won

[poorgradstudent]

A female friend of mine dated a guy who was in his mid-20s, childless, and who had a vasectomy after a girlfriend of his faked a pregnancy. Apparently it wasn’t easy to find a doctor willing to do the procedure. I can understand their thinking, as I have male friends who were convinced they never wanted kids when they were 23 who now are more open to the idea at 29 or 30.

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Women entering the workforce created the biggest one time boost in American productivity and wealth ever. It indirectly helped fuel our binge on huge homes, gigantic wardrobes, luxury cars and omg shoes! The current American lifestyle demands two incomes. It has its pros and cons. The linked articles’ penultimate paragraph about how there are no more great works of art or science is a laughable joke. The past 40 years have been the most productive scientifically ever. We’re in the golden age of publishing and literature. Information travels the globe at the speed of light.

[davelj]

[quote=poorgradstudent]A female friend of mine dated a guy who was in his mid-20s, childless, and who had a vasectomy after a girlfriend of his faked a pregnancy. Apparently it wasn’t easy to find a doctor willing to do the procedure. I can understand their thinking, as I have male friends who were convinced they never wanted kids when they were 23 who now are more open to the idea at 29 or 30.
[/quote]

I reiterate from above:

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I have the VASCLIP. It’s basically the same procedure as a vasectomy, but instead of cutting and knotting the vas deferens, the doctor just puts a rice-sized clip on each vas deferens. When my doctor did mine a few years back, he had done a few hundred and reversed about 10% of them with a 98% success rate. So, while not perfect, the VASCLIP is less destructive than a regular vasectomy and it’s much easier to reverse as you’re essentially just removing the clips (insted of having to reattach the vas deferens). It costs about $500 over-and-above the cost of a regular vasectomy. I felt some mild discomfort for about a day – no big deal.

Here’s some info:
http://www.drgholami.com/noscalpel.htm

I’ve never had any desire to have kids, but I also know that folks change their minds. So, I also have semen stored at a sperm bank in case I change my mind and I don’t want to bother having the VASCLIP removed – although I think it’s highly unlikely. The cost is about $250/year.

You rarely get a chance to have your cake and eat it too. In my opinion, the VASCLIP/sperm bank option is about as close as you’ll get.

[davelj]

[quote=poorgradstudent]A female friend of mine dated a guy who was in his mid-20s, childless, and who had a vasectomy after a girlfriend of his faked a pregnancy. Apparently it wasn’t easy to find a doctor willing to do the procedure. I can understand their thinking, as I have male friends who were convinced they never wanted kids when they were 23 who now are more open to the idea at 29 or 30.
[/quote]

I reiterate from above:

*******************

I have the VASCLIP. It’s basically the same procedure as a vasectomy, but instead of cutting and knotting the vas deferens, the doctor just puts a rice-sized clip on each vas deferens. When my doctor did mine a few years back, he had done a few hundred and reversed about 10% of them with a 98% success rate. So, while not perfect, the VASCLIP is less destructive than a regular vasectomy and it’s much easier to reverse as you’re essentially just removing the clips (insted of having to reattach the vas deferens). It costs about $500 over-and-above the cost of a regular vasectomy. I felt some mild discomfort for about a day – no big deal.

Here’s some info:
http://www.drgholami.com/noscalpel.htm

I’ve never had any desire to have kids, but I also know that folks change their minds. So, I also have semen stored at a sperm bank in case I change my mind and I don’t want to bother having the VASCLIP removed – although I think it’s highly unlikely. The cost is about $250/year.

You rarely get a chance to have your cake and eat it too. In my opinion, the VASCLIP/sperm bank option is about as close as you’ll get.

[davelj]

[quote=poorgradstudent]A female friend of mine dated a guy who was in his mid-20s, childless, and who had a vasectomy after a girlfriend of his faked a pregnancy. Apparently it wasn’t easy to find a doctor willing to do the procedure. I can understand their thinking, as I have male friends who were convinced they never wanted kids when they were 23 who now are more open to the idea at 29 or 30.
[/quote]

I reiterate from above:

*******************

I have the VASCLIP. It’s basically the same procedure as a vasectomy, but instead of cutting and knotting the vas deferens, the doctor just puts a rice-sized clip on each vas deferens. When my doctor did mine a few years back, he had done a few hundred and reversed about 10% of them with a 98% success rate. So, while not perfect, the VASCLIP is less destructive than a regular vasectomy and it’s much easier to reverse as you’re essentially just removing the clips (insted of having to reattach the vas deferens). It costs about $500 over-and-above the cost of a regular vasectomy. I felt some mild discomfort for about a day – no big deal.

Here’s some info:
http://www.drgholami.com/noscalpel.htm

I’ve never had any desire to have kids, but I also know that folks change their minds. So, I also have semen stored at a sperm bank in case I change my mind and I don’t want to bother having the VASCLIP removed – although I think it’s highly unlikely. The cost is about $250/year.

You rarely get a chance to have your cake and eat it too. In my opinion, the VASCLIP/sperm bank option is about as close as you’ll get.

[davelj]

[quote=poorgradstudent]A female friend of mine dated a guy who was in his mid-20s, childless, and who had a vasectomy after a girlfriend of his faked a pregnancy. Apparently it wasn’t easy to find a doctor willing to do the procedure. I can understand their thinking, as I have male friends who were convinced they never wanted kids when they were 23 who now are more open to the idea at 29 or 30.
[/quote]

I reiterate from above:

*******************

I have the VASCLIP. It’s basically the same procedure as a vasectomy, but instead of cutting and knotting the vas deferens, the doctor just puts a rice-sized clip on each vas deferens. When my doctor did mine a few years back, he had done a few hundred and reversed about 10% of them with a 98% success rate. So, while not perfect, the VASCLIP is less destructive than a regular vasectomy and it’s much easier to reverse as you’re essentially just removing the clips (insted of having to reattach the vas deferens). It costs about $500 over-and-above the cost of a regular vasectomy. I felt some mild discomfort for about a day – no big deal.

Here’s some info:
http://www.drgholami.com/noscalpel.htm

I’ve never had any desire to have kids, but I also know that folks change their minds. So, I also have semen stored at a sperm bank in case I change my mind and I don’t want to bother having the VASCLIP removed – although I think it’s highly unlikely. The cost is about $250/year.

You rarely get a chance to have your cake and eat it too. In my opinion, the VASCLIP/sperm bank option is about as close as you’ll get.

[davelj]

[quote=poorgradstudent]A female friend of mine dated a guy who was in his mid-20s, childless, and who had a vasectomy after a girlfriend of his faked a pregnancy. Apparently it wasn’t easy to find a doctor willing to do the procedure. I can understand their thinking, as I have male friends who were convinced they never wanted kids when they were 23 who now are more open to the idea at 29 or 30.
[/quote]

I reiterate from above:

*******************

I have the VASCLIP. It’s basically the same procedure as a vasectomy, but instead of cutting and knotting the vas deferens, the doctor just puts a rice-sized clip on each vas deferens. When my doctor did mine a few years back, he had done a few hundred and reversed about 10% of them with a 98% success rate. So, while not perfect, the VASCLIP is less destructive than a regular vasectomy and it’s much easier to reverse as you’re essentially just removing the clips (insted of having to reattach the vas deferens). It costs about $500 over-and-above the cost of a regular vasectomy. I felt some mild discomfort for about a day – no big deal.

Here’s some info:
http://www.drgholami.com/noscalpel.htm

I’ve never had any desire to have kids, but I also know that folks change their minds. So, I also have semen stored at a sperm bank in case I change my mind and I don’t want to bother having the VASCLIP removed – although I think it’s highly unlikely. The cost is about $250/year.

You rarely get a chance to have your cake and eat it too. In my opinion, the VASCLIP/sperm bank option is about as close as you’ll get.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Navydoc] What do you mean it’s not legal…[/quote]

Hey, Navydoc! Still around eh? Did you move into that house back East? If so, how do you like it – and living there? Didn’t you live in Coronado before?…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Navydoc] What do you mean it’s not legal…[/quote]

Hey, Navydoc! Still around eh? Did you move into that house back East? If so, how do you like it – and living there? Didn’t you live in Coronado before?…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Navydoc] What do you mean it’s not legal…[/quote]

Hey, Navydoc! Still around eh? Did you move into that house back East? If so, how do you like it – and living there? Didn’t you live in Coronado before?…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Navydoc] What do you mean it’s not legal…[/quote]

Hey, Navydoc! Still around eh? Did you move into that house back East? If so, how do you like it – and living there? Didn’t you live in Coronado before?…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Navydoc] What do you mean it’s not legal…[/quote]

Hey, Navydoc! Still around eh? Did you move into that house back East? If so, how do you like it – and living there? Didn’t you live in Coronado before?…

[8bitnintendo]

[quote=Navydoc]What do you mean it’s not legal in California? Are you saying he can force the Urologist to perform a surgical procedure, however minor, against the surgeons wishes? I assure you that he cannot. I had a similar case when I had a 17yo asking me to tie her tubes. She had no kids either, and I refused to do it. My 3 other colleagues at the time refused to do it as well.[/quote]
Okay, I guess I totally misread this section of the CA Health and Safety Code. My bad. Four years ago when I got fixed, persuading the doctor I was serious was a bit of a hassle.

Edited to add: I just reread my comment and realized I sound like a smartass, but that’s not how I meant it. Clearly you’re practicing medicine here and know the regulations much better than I do as a layman. I am a bit confused as to what this section is supposed to mean otherwise, though.

1232. No clinic which permits sterilization operations for contraceptive purposes to be performed therein, nor the medical staff of such clinic, shall require the individual upon whom such a sterilization operation is to be performed to meet any special nonmedical qualifications, which are not imposed on individuals seeking other types of operations in the clinic. Such prohibited nonmedical qualifications shall include, but not be limited to, age, marital status, and number of natural children.
Nothing in this section shall prohibit requirements relating to the physical or mental condition of the individual or affect the right of the attending physician to counsel or advise his patient as to whether or not sterilization is appropriate. This section shall
not affect existing law with respect to individuals below the age of majority.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=01001-02000&file=1225-1234

[8bitnintendo]

[quote=Navydoc]What do you mean it’s not legal in California? Are you saying he can force the Urologist to perform a surgical procedure, however minor, against the surgeons wishes? I assure you that he cannot. I had a similar case when I had a 17yo asking me to tie her tubes. She had no kids either, and I refused to do it. My 3 other colleagues at the time refused to do it as well.[/quote]
Okay, I guess I totally misread this section of the CA Health and Safety Code. My bad. Four years ago when I got fixed, persuading the doctor I was serious was a bit of a hassle.

Edited to add: I just reread my comment and realized I sound like a smartass, but that’s not how I meant it. Clearly you’re practicing medicine here and know the regulations much better than I do as a layman. I am a bit confused as to what this section is supposed to mean otherwise, though.

1232. No clinic which permits sterilization operations for contraceptive purposes to be performed therein, nor the medical staff of such clinic, shall require the individual upon whom such a sterilization operation is to be performed to meet any special nonmedical qualifications, which are not imposed on individuals seeking other types of operations in the clinic. Such prohibited nonmedical qualifications shall include, but not be limited to, age, marital status, and number of natural children.
Nothing in this section shall prohibit requirements relating to the physical or mental condition of the individual or affect the right of the attending physician to counsel or advise his patient as to whether or not sterilization is appropriate. This section shall
not affect existing law with respect to individuals below the age of majority.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=01001-02000&file=1225-1234

[8bitnintendo]

[quote=Navydoc]What do you mean it’s not legal in California? Are you saying he can force the Urologist to perform a surgical procedure, however minor, against the surgeons wishes? I assure you that he cannot. I had a similar case when I had a 17yo asking me to tie her tubes. She had no kids either, and I refused to do it. My 3 other colleagues at the time refused to do it as well.[/quote]
Okay, I guess I totally misread this section of the CA Health and Safety Code. My bad. Four years ago when I got fixed, persuading the doctor I was serious was a bit of a hassle.

Edited to add: I just reread my comment and realized I sound like a smartass, but that’s not how I meant it. Clearly you’re practicing medicine here and know the regulations much better than I do as a layman. I am a bit confused as to what this section is supposed to mean otherwise, though.

1232. No clinic which permits sterilization operations for contraceptive purposes to be performed therein, nor the medical staff of such clinic, shall require the individual upon whom such a sterilization operation is to be performed to meet any special nonmedical qualifications, which are not imposed on individuals seeking other types of operations in the clinic. Such prohibited nonmedical qualifications shall include, but not be limited to, age, marital status, and number of natural children.
Nothing in this section shall prohibit requirements relating to the physical or mental condition of the individual or affect the right of the attending physician to counsel or advise his patient as to whether or not sterilization is appropriate. This section shall
not affect existing law with respect to individuals below the age of majority.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=01001-02000&file=1225-1234

[8bitnintendo]

[quote=Navydoc]What do you mean it’s not legal in California? Are you saying he can force the Urologist to perform a surgical procedure, however minor, against the surgeons wishes? I assure you that he cannot. I had a similar case when I had a 17yo asking me to tie her tubes. She had no kids either, and I refused to do it. My 3 other colleagues at the time refused to do it as well.[/quote]
Okay, I guess I totally misread this section of the CA Health and Safety Code. My bad. Four years ago when I got fixed, persuading the doctor I was serious was a bit of a hassle.

Edited to add: I just reread my comment and realized I sound like a smartass, but that’s not how I meant it. Clearly you’re practicing medicine here and know the regulations much better than I do as a layman. I am a bit confused as to what this section is supposed to mean otherwise, though.

1232. No clinic which permits sterilization operations for contraceptive purposes to be performed therein, nor the medical staff of such clinic, shall require the individual upon whom such a sterilization operation is to be performed to meet any special nonmedical qualifications, which are not imposed on individuals seeking other types of operations in the clinic. Such prohibited nonmedical qualifications shall include, but not be limited to, age, marital status, and number of natural children.
Nothing in this section shall prohibit requirements relating to the physical or mental condition of the individual or affect the right of the attending physician to counsel or advise his patient as to whether or not sterilization is appropriate. This section shall
not affect existing law with respect to individuals below the age of majority.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=01001-02000&file=1225-1234

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