OT: Men, the Gender Wars Are Over — We Won

[justme]

davelj,

It is not easy to make an honest argument with some of the folks on this boards. Many are ok, but the dishonest ones will do all kinds of things to try and make you look bad in the eyes of the casual reader:

1. they will put words in your mouth that you did not state.

2. they will argue against strawman positions that you never took.

3. they will ask “why you are against marriage and children”, much like war mongers would ask “why do you hate your country” when all one did was to hate the war.

Keep up the good work. And I also applaud honest and thoughtful people like Scaredycat (I hope he does not mind the endorsement :)).

[jficquette]

Davelj,

Good Post!

John

[jficquette]

Davelj,

Good Post!

John

[jficquette]

Davelj,

Good Post!

John

[jficquette]

Davelj,

Good Post!

John

[jficquette]

Davelj,

Good Post!

John

[briansd1]

I agree with davelj.

That fact that women want financial support is evidenced by the HUGE government bureaucracy dedicated to tracking down men for child support. If women were self sufficient (they are not) such bureaucracy would not exist.

The wage garnishments orders for child support that hit company HR departments across the country are almost all from women.

jpinpb, is correct that SOME women are more than capable of being great single mothers. But as davelj pointed out, they are the exception, not the rule.

I think the compassionate thing to do, if you want a family, or to do good is to adopt a poor child from a poor country. How about becoming a foster parent to a child from Cambodia, Brazil or Mississippi?

I’m thinking about fostering a child from a poor country then sponsoring that child to go to school in USA while he/she still remains part of the birth family. (I wouldn’t claim to be a good parent, so boarding school might be the solution).

Making your own babies is the most selfish and environmentally destructive thing I can think of. No offense to you babies loving people here, but don’t you think the main reason you want to reproduce is to extend yourself and to live vicariously through your children?

[briansd1]

I agree with davelj.

That fact that women want financial support is evidenced by the HUGE government bureaucracy dedicated to tracking down men for child support. If women were self sufficient (they are not) such bureaucracy would not exist.

The wage garnishments orders for child support that hit company HR departments across the country are almost all from women.

jpinpb, is correct that SOME women are more than capable of being great single mothers. But as davelj pointed out, they are the exception, not the rule.

I think the compassionate thing to do, if you want a family, or to do good is to adopt a poor child from a poor country. How about becoming a foster parent to a child from Cambodia, Brazil or Mississippi?

I’m thinking about fostering a child from a poor country then sponsoring that child to go to school in USA while he/she still remains part of the birth family. (I wouldn’t claim to be a good parent, so boarding school might be the solution).

Making your own babies is the most selfish and environmentally destructive thing I can think of. No offense to you babies loving people here, but don’t you think the main reason you want to reproduce is to extend yourself and to live vicariously through your children?

[briansd1]

I agree with davelj.

That fact that women want financial support is evidenced by the HUGE government bureaucracy dedicated to tracking down men for child support. If women were self sufficient (they are not) such bureaucracy would not exist.

The wage garnishments orders for child support that hit company HR departments across the country are almost all from women.

jpinpb, is correct that SOME women are more than capable of being great single mothers. But as davelj pointed out, they are the exception, not the rule.

I think the compassionate thing to do, if you want a family, or to do good is to adopt a poor child from a poor country. How about becoming a foster parent to a child from Cambodia, Brazil or Mississippi?

I’m thinking about fostering a child from a poor country then sponsoring that child to go to school in USA while he/she still remains part of the birth family. (I wouldn’t claim to be a good parent, so boarding school might be the solution).

Making your own babies is the most selfish and environmentally destructive thing I can think of. No offense to you babies loving people here, but don’t you think the main reason you want to reproduce is to extend yourself and to live vicariously through your children?

[briansd1]

I agree with davelj.

That fact that women want financial support is evidenced by the HUGE government bureaucracy dedicated to tracking down men for child support. If women were self sufficient (they are not) such bureaucracy would not exist.

The wage garnishments orders for child support that hit company HR departments across the country are almost all from women.

jpinpb, is correct that SOME women are more than capable of being great single mothers. But as davelj pointed out, they are the exception, not the rule.

I think the compassionate thing to do, if you want a family, or to do good is to adopt a poor child from a poor country. How about becoming a foster parent to a child from Cambodia, Brazil or Mississippi?

I’m thinking about fostering a child from a poor country then sponsoring that child to go to school in USA while he/she still remains part of the birth family. (I wouldn’t claim to be a good parent, so boarding school might be the solution).

Making your own babies is the most selfish and environmentally destructive thing I can think of. No offense to you babies loving people here, but don’t you think the main reason you want to reproduce is to extend yourself and to live vicariously through your children?

[briansd1]

I agree with davelj.

That fact that women want financial support is evidenced by the HUGE government bureaucracy dedicated to tracking down men for child support. If women were self sufficient (they are not) such bureaucracy would not exist.

The wage garnishments orders for child support that hit company HR departments across the country are almost all from women.

jpinpb, is correct that SOME women are more than capable of being great single mothers. But as davelj pointed out, they are the exception, not the rule.

I think the compassionate thing to do, if you want a family, or to do good is to adopt a poor child from a poor country. How about becoming a foster parent to a child from Cambodia, Brazil or Mississippi?

I’m thinking about fostering a child from a poor country then sponsoring that child to go to school in USA while he/she still remains part of the birth family. (I wouldn’t claim to be a good parent, so boarding school might be the solution).

Making your own babies is the most selfish and environmentally destructive thing I can think of. No offense to you babies loving people here, but don’t you think the main reason you want to reproduce is to extend yourself and to live vicariously through your children?

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter] The suggestion that they should make themselves available to you (or other men) and offer up their most valuable assets (youth and beauty) without any expectations in return are offensive.
[/quote]

That are their expectations in return for youth and beauty?

Maybe they should list their expectations rather than obfuscate the prices of their assets with talk of love, commitment and such crap.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter] The suggestion that they should make themselves available to you (or other men) and offer up their most valuable assets (youth and beauty) without any expectations in return are offensive.
[/quote]

That are their expectations in return for youth and beauty?

Maybe they should list their expectations rather than obfuscate the prices of their assets with talk of love, commitment and such crap.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter] The suggestion that they should make themselves available to you (or other men) and offer up their most valuable assets (youth and beauty) without any expectations in return are offensive.
[/quote]

That are their expectations in return for youth and beauty?

Maybe they should list their expectations rather than obfuscate the prices of their assets with talk of love, commitment and such crap.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter] The suggestion that they should make themselves available to you (or other men) and offer up their most valuable assets (youth and beauty) without any expectations in return are offensive.
[/quote]

That are their expectations in return for youth and beauty?

Maybe they should list their expectations rather than obfuscate the prices of their assets with talk of love, commitment and such crap.

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