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October 24, 2013 at 10:08 PM #767271October 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM #767272
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Participant[quote=spdrun]I’m assuming the same law that obligates anyone to follow cops’ orders, no matter how fucking arbitrary and bizarre.[/quote]
Again “Failure to obey a lawful order” is on the books in most states.
I am not sure what the law says here but in most states the seperation point for this is “was the order reasonable”.
The police can not come up to and tell you to “shave your head and hop on one foot”. That is a unreasonable request. If you were arrested for not doing it… You just hit the lottery. You have a ligation point.
If there is a car on fire and you chose to stand 5 feet away and the cop tells you to stand 30 feet back and you refuse he does have the right to arrest you. The judge then has to discretation to determine if the cop made proper application… Guess what! The judge will most likely rule in favor of the cop and not your right to bonfire roast hot dogs.
Man… One second you are saying something with intelligence and the next you are coming up with this crap.
CE
October 24, 2013 at 10:28 PM #767273SK in CV
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]
You kidding right? See what happens the next time you disobey an officer.Remember Rodney King?
How about failure to obey a lawful order? Creating a public nuisance… Trespassing.
There are propably a half dozen other laws they could have used to arrest students.
Remember it’s only the cop’s job to arrest you. It’s the judge’s job to figure out if the cop made a good application of the law he arrested you under. Either way you get locked the fuck up and your time and money is down the drain…
I am not defending the police… Believe me I got my own opinions on them but you have got to kidding me if you dont think the cops had the authority to do what they did despite what you think…
CE[/quote]
I’m actually not kidding. The most obvious would be the failure to obey a lawful order. Everything a LEO says is not a lawful order, despite the fact that many would like to have that authority. They make requests under their authority all the time. But there aren’t very many that qualify as lawful orders. In most states they’re specifically granted the authority to direct traffic. Or to conduct investigations. Or protect the peace. So violating orders given in the process of those duties would be a failure to obey a lawful order. Lawful orders are only those which laws grant the police specific authority. Absent that authority, there is no lawful order.
Hence, as far as I know, none of the students involved were ever pursued on charges of failure to comply.
October 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM #767274paramount
ParticipantYou can be right and dead at the same time.
Look, generally speaking the police these days are VERY dangerous to average citizens (law abiding or not).
The have been militarized, and their enemy is YOU!!!
October 25, 2013 at 12:13 AM #767275sdduuuude
ParticipantConspiracy theory: The cop and students worked together. He sprayed them with colored water, earning them each $30K and himself 38K plus retirement.
Stupid people make money while taxpayers get screwed.
October 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM #767281no_such_reality
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=no_such_reality]It actually goes further than that. He deployed in riot gear, when directed not to.
He deployed with an unauthorized and unapproved for department use canister of pepper spray that is more powerful and dangerous than the pepper spray authorized for campus police.[/quote]
Ok… that info I did not have and it does make a huge difference in the story…
That being said though the students did disobey orders and should have been spray though by an approved product…
Another two wrongs story…
CE[/quote]
I disagree, they should have been arrested as other cops were doing. Tazing, pepper spray, rubber bullets, bean bag rounds are LESS LETHAL not NON-LETHAL. IMHO, the police are way to cavalier about their use.
The protesters were protesting, not resisting arrest. There was no reason to resort to assaulting them and peppering spraying is an assault, really no different than whacking them with a nightstick.
Would you be saying, disobeyed a lawful order and wound up and started smacking them with a baton?(note, for now let’s ignore that ironically, the protesters were actually legally assembled there and UC and Campus Police didn’t have legal ground to disperse them),
If you disobey a lawful order, you should get arrested or detained, not beaten and pepper sprayed.
October 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM #767283spdrun
ParticipantMan… One second you are saying something with intelligence and the next you are coming up with this crap.
But I was agreeing with you that people are mostly required to obey police orders…
However, I was ALSO saying that a lot of police orders are bizarre and arbitrary. As to the Pepper Spraying Cop, screw him. Hope he’s unemployed for a few years and he goes through the $30k without ever enjoying it.
October 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM #767286ParticipantProductive Californian’s should seek economic and political asylum from California in Boise Idaho.
In California, productive citizens lost, the welfare/entitlement state has won.
A quick look at Boise (beautiful):
We’ll help you move to Boise:
October 25, 2013 at 10:33 AM #767287ParticipantLooks like a whole lot of cookie-cutter McHouses on that broker’s site. 🙂
But I have a question: the video (best played at 50% speed!!!) showed a lot of deciduous greenery, including “wild” areas along hiking trails. The mountains behind Boise look like desert, something you’d find in AZ or NV. Is Boise in a valley with a micro-climate, or is this all due to irrigation?
BTW – if you search for “idaho corruption”, you can see that Idaho isn’t immune. And also has a large problem with fruits and nuts of the wannabe Nazi persuasion.
October 25, 2013 at 10:44 AM #767288Participant[quote=spdrun]
BTW – if you search for “idaho corruption”, you can see that Idaho isn’t immune. And also has a large problem with fruits and nuts of the wannabe Nazi persuasion.[/quote]
Probably California transplants…
October 25, 2013 at 11:08 AM #767289Participant[quote=spdrun]Looks like a whole lot of cookie-cutter McHouses on that broker’s site. 🙂
But I have a question: the video (best played at 50% speed!!!) showed a lot of deciduous greenery, including “wild” areas along hiking trails. The mountains behind Boise look like desert, something you’d find in AZ or NV. Is Boise in a valley with a micro-climate, or is this all due to irrigation?
BTW – if you search for “idaho corruption”, you can see that Idaho isn’t immune. And also has a large problem with fruits and nuts of the wannabe Nazi persuasion.[/quote]
Large scale farm irrigation. Boise is on Great Basin Plateau. Think San Bernandino or maybe Fallbrook.
There is a natural forest on the ridge above so for the trees in city, those may be natural with run off from the snow pack. Boise itself gets only 11 inches of rain a year. Fallbrook averages 16.
October 25, 2013 at 10:38 PM #767304CA renter
Participant[quote=paramount]This case highlights perfectly (and in so many ways) what happens when one political party (and the public employee union thugs who own them) wields total power and tyranny over the citizens of that state.
Absolutely disgusting.[/quote]
Which political party wields total power, paramount? It seems to me that BOTH parties have been bought by corporate/capitalist interests. The police in this incident were defending the “1%” against the “99%” — the party affiliated with the “1%” has historically been the Republican Party…and they are decidedly anti-union and anti-labor.
Note that cops did very little to break up Tea Party rallies (especially after they were co-opted by the right wing republicans), but went all-out at Occupy protests.
October 26, 2013 at 10:42 AM #767305Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=paramount]This case highlights perfectly (and in so many ways) what happens when one political party (and the public employee union thugs who own them) wields total power and tyranny over the citizens of that state.
Absolutely disgusting.[/quote]
Which political party wields total power, paramount? It seems to me that BOTH parties have been bought by corporate/capitalist interests. The police in this incident were defending the “1%” against the “99%” — the party affiliated with the “1%” has historically been the Republican Party…and they are decidedly anti-union and anti-labor.
Note that cops did very little to break up Tea Party rallies (especially after they were co-opted by the right wing republicans), but went all-out at Occupy protests.[/quote]
In California, the dems are absolutely 100% bought and sold by the public employee unions. I don’t know anyone who would dispute that fact.
There is no one in Sacramento to stop the dems. They (dems) absolutely work for the public employee unions that’s why thug cops are retiring young as multi-millionaires.
The republicans are persona non grata in Sacramento and as such useless in stopping the Karen Bass agenda (still in play).
Let me be clear, I am not a republican at all.
But I get that gov’t works best when there are at least (2) opposing forces – even if that means shutting down the govt.
Where balance of power is absent you get Obama care and city manager’s making more than the president.
I do understand that both major parties are akin to the mafia.
October 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM #767310ParticipantObamacare was a Republican idea (aka Romneycare), last I checked. If we had actual cooperation in DC, instead of a balance of terror, we’d have got single-payer or a public option.
October 26, 2013 at 3:41 PM #767312ParticipantIf we had politicians who actually worked on behalf of their constituents, as opposed to serving their corporate masters, we’d have a single-payer/public option.
People are finally beginning to grasp the fact that the U.S. does NOT have the best, nor the most efficient, healthcare system in the world.
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